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Doesn't it look like it's going to be a Kenseth Championship again?
I hope so.
He sure comes on strong and steady when it counts.
Several drivers run well on these next few tracks.
I'm going to be at Fontana next weekend and I'd like to see another Roush win.
This is making for a good finish to this season. Many drivers have a legitimate shot at the Championship this year.
 
He's running good but it's a little early to annoit him the crown just yet. He may have used up all of his bag of luck and it doesn't take much of a stumble in the Chase to fall behind.
 
I just have to say that it isn't even the chase yet.. where the points are reset, so i wouldn't say anyone is going to win it yet.. i think the chase will be quite enjoyable this year..
 
From NASCAR.com

Matt Kenseth has 13th top-five finishes in 24 races, the most of all drivers, and he became only the third driver to sweep the Busch and Cup race weekend at Bristol -- Dale Earnhardt Jr. (August 2004) and Kevin Harvick (April 2005).
 
Seven points now, but when Nascar resets the points in 2 races the first place car (Kenseth or Johnson) will only be 5 points. It's still too early to say for certain who wins the championship. Jimmie Johnson has just as good of a chance as Kenseth or any other driver in the top 10 when the points are reset.
 
I still don't think that the chase is fair to either the drivers in the chase or the ones that just missed getting in. To reset the point is just a way to artifically make a close race. I really feel for the ones that just missed getting in when if they had kept the old system they would have had a chance of a top 10 season. Between the chase and COT my interest in the races is the lowest in the almost 40 years I have been watching.
 
Oldgoat said:
I still don't think that the chase is fair to either the drivers in the chase or the ones that just missed getting in. To reset the point is just a way to artifically make a close race. I really feel for the ones that just missed getting in when if they had kept the old system they would have had a chance of a top 10 season. Between the chase and COT my interest in the races is the lowest in the almost 40 years I have been watching.
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I do agree With oldgoat. One other complaint is the use of the narrow angle cameras.. Only two or three cars in every shot and the other 40 are nonexistant to the viewer.
Remember the old time TV races where every car on the backstretch was visable on the screen? If the cars in 10th, 11th and 12th were going at it one could see what was happening.
Nowadays the car you want to watch can gain 5 or 10 places and you never get to see any of it! Instead you get to watch the brakes on one car lap after lap..
It is a RACE for gods sake! Let us see where the race IS.
Betsy ;)
 
I disliked the idea of the Chase since it was introduced (and many older members remember my bytchin), but at this point, I can't see it changing much in the near future.
 
Well, as an old fan that has been around for many years, I tend to buck the trend. I like the idea of a sort of playoff, thus the Chase. With the exception of college football and Winston Cup racing, teams/drivers have never had a chance to redeem themselves if they had a bad beginning to the season. Now, even major league baseball allows for two wildcard teams to advance to the world series if they can catch some luck and continue to win. When they begin the playoffs, every team is even and they start with a blank slate. While I'll agree that a team that is good enough/lucky enough to have an unblemished record going into the playoffs should have an advantage, they do have that in the stick and ball sports. Maybe we could find a way to give the racers who finish at the top an advantage as well, but at the present, that isn't the case. This year, we know that with the success that Jimmie Johnson has had going through his third year on the circuit, his only competitor has been Matt Kenseth and yes, it would be great to see those two vying for the title in the last race, tearing around that last corner for the win. But we have new rules and even though I am sure Jimmie and his crew absolutely hate these rules, they have been playing with them just like everyone else and they have no advantage over anyone.

As a side note, it would be terrible to see Jimmie become the next Mark Martin to be the best driver never to win the title. With this system, it's very possible.
 
Ahhh Buckeraoo..

S owhat you would like to see is four 10 race events with 4 champions every year?
The champion should be the year-long champ.. with the luck and skill it took for the entire year. The ten race thing just sells TV to the unknowing.
Betsy :rolleyes:
 
Betsy said:
S owhat you would like to see is four 10 race events with 4 champions every year?
The champion should be the year-long champ.. with the luck and skill it took for the entire year. The ten race thing just sells TV to the unknowing.
Betsy :rolleyes:
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:eek: its the end of the world as we know it, betsy and i agree on something :eek:
 
Betsy said:
S owhat you would like to see is four 10 race events with 4 champions every year?
The champion should be the year-long champ.. with the luck and skill it took for the entire year. The ten race thing just sells TV to the unknowing.
Betsy :rolleyes:
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Cripes almighty, I guess I'll never understand you. Let's see...first off, do you pay attention to any other sport than racing? I mean, really, you don't sound as though you know anything other than Christless auto racing, which is something that those boys out there who run around in cirlces are anything but. But I digress and I don't want this thread to go to a religious theme because we all know from where you come from.

Okay, where do I start? I guess it doesn't matter with you because you are so unaware of how other sports crown a champion, so I'll start from square one. The winner of the crown is the guy/team that wins the last contest or has the most points at the end of the season. Ah, so now I think I understand why you are so unaware of your surroundings...it's because I put two different scenarios into the finale showdown. But wait, there are more than just that. Sometimes, those final showdowns aren't just final showdowns. In the case of major league baseball, it's who can win more games our of a total of seven games. Same can be said about basketball and many other sports. But wait, you say if you lose, you snooze. Not so babycakes. Not in those sports. Again, it's the best out of seven...but wait, it gets even more wackier than that. To get to that level, you much win other matchups. In the case of pro football, it is of course, lose a game and yer out. However, they have several different divisions in which they take a top winner and pit them against another. But wait, it get even worse because we know that there could be a division where the winner there might even end up with a less than 500 winning percentage. :)eek: Can this be allowed?) Yes sweetems, that's the way they do things in pro sports. But wait again, the even allow for a couple of teams that didn't finish in the top of their division to compete and possibly go on to be world champs. Oh Lord, I can see that you are now having a hissy, but yes my little dumplin, that's the way they do things these days. They call it the playoffs and every team from the beginning of the year talk about "Making the playoffs". Ever heard that expression? Well, I didn't think so, but it's true. Yeah, the goal in most sports leagues is to make the playoffs because if you don't make the playoffs, it's like finishing 11th in NASCAR Cup racing...i.e. you can't win the title.

You know, there are millions of people who think like you do, but not just in this sport, but also in college football. But that's another case where we could possibly agree, but if they were to have a playoff system, then I'd have to side with that system.

We're now in the third year of the "Chase" and it's clear that those who don't like the system aren't going to change their minds about it. However, you all have to get over it. Either accept the system and continue being a fan and using that system in it's fullest, or continue to crab about how it used to be and that if this system weren't in use, so and so would have won the title. If he didn't win it, he didn't win it and the record will forever show it. If you don't like the system but love the sport, don't pay any attention to the scoring system for it'll never satisfy you unless the outcome agrees with what you'd like.

Over the years, I've really disliked the direction that NASCAR has gone, but I continue to be one of it's biggest fans. I've learned to go with the flow so that I don't get my shorts all wadded up where they hurt. At present, if I were a Mark Martin fan, I'd be tickled to death to know that he's probably still able to contend for the title even though he is way out of first place at this moment. All he has to do is stay ahead of Kasey Kahne for two more races and he's within 45 points of the leader. I think that allows for millions of fans to have a little chance at their favorite still being able to win. If the system were different, it would be the Jimmie Johnson fans against the state of Wisconsin. :) Okay, I know there are lots of Matt fans out there, but where are they? :) Jeez, I just can't help myself and I like Matty. But for all that I can think of, there isn't any one person on this board who profeeses to be a big Matt Kenseth fan. I can name a few JJ fans though.

Good Lord, did I write this? Please forgive me for I'll never do it again...maybe. :headbang:
 
I'm a Matt fan. Mark found Matt and told Jack to hire him.
I like all of the Roush drivers.
I like Fords. Ford is the underdog in NASCAR.
 
I don't like the chase. Don't like it. Don't like it. There. I said it again. 3 times.
 
Yeah, but Buck one thing about your analogy, is it true that in baseball, football, basketball, hockey and the like that when they start their particular playoffs they start dead even? A 0 to 0 score. For each and every game of the best of 7 or however many! Yet, in NASCAR the points leader starts ahead of the 2nd place, who in turn is ahead of 3rd place in the points. So really the leader has a slight advantage.
What if they took all 10, and like the stick & ball sports, all started out at 0 and they earned points from there. That really would throw it open to anyone. (Like it isn't already).

Seriously tho, I'd still like to see more points for winning, and maybe even a little bump in the winning points for the last 5 races leading to the Chase. That would make those races really important. Oh and no points for leading under caution. I've always felt that's like teats on a boar.
 
Agreed bp. I guess there's always ways to improve a system. Brian has said that he could still tweak it some as well. One thing about NASCAR is that the scoring system has never stayed the same. The old system was around for a long time, but before that, it was like they gave points to whomever they wanted. Just like their payout system, it all depends, and don't ask what the depends depends on. :)

How about this for a Chase system. All ten teams start at 0 points with only the top finishing team receiving a single point per race. That way all ten teams would be fighting for that one point. Of course, it could be over well before the last race if one team got hot and finished ahead of the other guys in the first five races, but if that happened, he would probably end up winning anyway. Just a thought. Think of it, ten guys all fighting for the top spot of the ten. That sure would make for an interesting last lap. :beerbang:
 
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