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In this "Jimmie Johnson is the greatest driver ever and everyone should bow to him" orgy the media is having, when are they going to point out his probability of winning five-straight championships wouldn't have happened without a welfare points system?
 
Ahhhhhh GEEEZ...

It is what it is. All of the drivers and teams know what the chase is all about. Why can't the fans figure it out?
 
People better get used to it because JJ will be the first driver to get 8 championships. He's on his way to 5 and he's in the prime of his career.
 
Stewart Fan said:
People better get used to it because JJ will be the first driver to get 8 championships. He's on his way to 5 and he's in the prime of his career.
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nope, not gonna do it. :p gordon, np; kb, sure why not?; jj, shudder.....
 
Smoke14 said:
Ahhhhhh GEEEZ...

It is what it is. All of the drivers and teams know what the chase is all about. Why can't the fans figure it out?
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A better question is, why can't any other team replicate what Knaus and Johnson is doing?
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
In this "Jimmie Johnson is the greatest driver ever and everyone should bow to him" orgy the media is having, when are they going to point out his probability of winning five-straight championships wouldn't have happened without a welfare points system?
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Call it what you will but nobody else has figured it out. If it's such a welfare points system how come no one can beat him? Everyone else on the track has the same opportunity to cash in on it but they don't. Why is that Andy? You don't think talent has anything to do with it? He bores the holey hell out of me but more power to him, I hope he gets 8 or 9 championships before he is done.

Someone else will eventually figure it out, I hope, and then it will get good. There is too much talent and too many intelligent, dedicated crew chiefs for someone not to catch on. It's just a matter of when. That's my theory anyway.
 
BobbyFord said:
Just imagine how many Championships Gordon and Evernham would have had under the easy-cheesy Chase format...
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Would love to see Evernham as a CC again. My point was that it's a level playing field, everyone else has the same shot as Knaus and JJ but nobody else has hooked up like they have.
 
chromehorn said:
Would love to see Evernham as a CC again. My point was that it's a level playing field, everyone else has the same shot as Knaus and JJ but nobody else has hooked up like they have.
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That's my point. Nobody else has had the Johnson/Knaus chemistry since Gordon/Evernham.
 
BobbyFord said:
Just imagine how many Championships Gordon and Evernham would have had under the easy-cheesy Chase format...
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Mopardh9 said:
10.....they had the same kind of chemistry that Chad and JJ have.
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Had the Chase been implemented all along. Gordon would have had 2 under Evernham. Yes, just 2.

While some of the numbers would have remained the same, most wouldn't. Some may surprise you. IMO, this list only shows how the implementation of the Chase is quite possibly the worst rule change in the history of this sport and it only continues. In 2004 quite a bit of history was thrown by the wayside. Comparisons of today champions to years gone by mean absolutely nothing. Not by design but certainly by results, it's helping drive people away from the sport. It's making a superman of a very good, but not the greatest of drivers. At the same time, it's denying others of accolades that they deserve.

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That is not a true indication, you can't say they would of only had 2. If the Chase had been implemented during the time of Gordon and Evernham being together, he would of raced differently just like JJ/Knaus race differently during the Chase and during the regular season.
 
Mopardh9 said:
That is not a true indication, you can't say they would of only had 2. If the Chase had been implemented during the time of Gordon and Evernham being together, he would of raced differently just like JJ/Knaus race differently during the Chase and during the regular season.
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True enough. It could have been 3 or 12. Who the heck knows? There's no way to know as this Chase has drastically changed the sport forever. IMO for the worse. Many others like it. It hasn't ruined the racing for me, but it has the final outcome of the season. I know I'm in my own little world on this board but I still think that the champion should be the best driver over the season as a whole and not the driver over the final 10 races.
 
BobbyFord said:
That's my point. Nobody else has had the Johnson/Knaus chemistry since Gordon/Evernham.
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Don't you think that behind every champion there was a great driver/crew chief combination? Zippy and Smoke , Reiser and Kenseth , Jarratt and Parrott,etc. .. They maybe didn't sustain it , but for a while there, it was as good.Often , it seems to be outside factors that breaks it up.
 
I remember when people were complaining how The Chase was implemented to make sure Jr had a chance to win a championship.

Maybe I'll dig up some of those old threads...:D
 
The championship used to reward consistency throughout the season. Not the best of 10 races.
The chase was implemented to pump up sagging ratings, great job huh?:sarcasm:
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
True enough. It could have been 3 or 12. Who the heck knows? There's no way to know as this Chase has drastically changed the sport forever. IMO for the worse. Many others like it. It hasn't ruined the racing for me, but it has the final outcome of the season. I know I'm in my own little world on this board but I still think that the champion should be the best driver over the season as a whole and not the driver over the final 10 races.
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So I ...I agree whole heartedly.:beerbang:
 
Are people forever gonna complain about the chase? Yes, I understand that many of us perfered the old point system, heck under the old points system my driver would be a 6 time champ now BUT it is not he point system any more. If you win the current point system you are the champion, you are as much the champion as you would have been winning under the old system.

Chad is a genius. I hear all the crap that "he is a cheater, their best tracks are in the chase, whine whine whine." I am telling you if there were 10 completely different tracks in the chase, those would become the 48's best tracks. I think if we were under the old point system, it is very possible that Chad would be operating under a different strategy all year and the 48 would probably still have won 4 in a row. Heck, if we were under the old point system those guys would probably win 20 races a year! Chad puts its focus where it ultimately needs to be, the last ten races....if he had that same focus on all 36..the possibilities are scary if you ask me.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
In this "Jimmie Johnson is the greatest driver ever and everyone should bow to him" orgy the media is having, when are they going to point out his probability of winning five-straight championships wouldn't have happened without a welfare points system?
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It's quite possible that the "greatest drivers" never had an opportunity to be recognized......

Johnson and Knaus are probably one of the best, if not "THE" best combination to come down the road.

As far as being "the greatest driver" though...hard to say. Jimmy could be the best driver to ever get the chance to capitalize on an opportunity in cup.

Probably alot of ugly guys out there, with crooked teeth, and Acne that don't fit the pretty-boy cup image, that can outdrive any driver in the current cup field. You just don't know. What we do know, is that kind of guy might take us back to the redneck era, and Brain wouldn't want that, would he?
MoMike
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
In this "Jimmie Johnson is the greatest driver ever and everyone should bow to him" orgy the media is having, when are they going to point out his probability of winning five-straight championships wouldn't have happened without a welfare points system?
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one word:


NO
 
You know, maybe if some of the other drivers, like Harvick, Hamlin, Busch would stop it with the WWF style of "entertainment" and actually focus they could be a threat to Johnson. Instead they get sidetracked by stupid petty little fights in the garage or out on the track.

The one thing you noticed about Johnson and Kanus is that they never get involved in these petty little squabbles. They keep their nose to the grindstone and it's paying off.

However, I guess that makes them "vanilla", am I right? :rolleyes:
 
NEWSFLASH, I just looked at the schedule and we have 7 more races to go. Yes, "Horseshoe" has positioned himself early on and it looks like his to win, but he has still had a unuasual year and things like getting spunout and engines breaking still could happen. Other than those situations happening, he still has dominate team and could run away with it. I don't see a driver in this years chase who has can overcome Johnson without bad racing luck.
So to Johnson I say, JINX boogity boogity ala kashamJINX JINX JINX!!!
 
That #48 team is a like a pit bull with a pork chop when it comes to the points lead. Good luck getting it from them.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Yep. Jimmie's got his golden horseshoe back just in time for the Chase.:(
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Hmm the sink hole in Charlotte....Jimmie taking over the lead in the points. coincidence? I THINK NOT! Clearly, Jimmie and Knaus hide their horseshoe in Charlotte Motor Speedway until it's time to win The Chase and The Championship! *nods sagely*
 
Not a horseshoe fellas, it's talent and a skilled crew chief. Hate to break it to ya.
 
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