The man just wont take a hint

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it is posted on the Derrike Cope site that "Derrike will be announcing his sponsor for the 2004 Winston Cup season on this week's NASCAR This Morning broadcast."[Sunday on Fox Sports Net at 11:00am/et](9-9-2003)
AND The Friendly's sponsorship of Cope ended this weekend at New Hampshire. Cope failed to make the race and the car was a special fan deisgned paint scheme [very cool, ice cream cones designed by 12 year old Seneca Tedford] - Cope doesn't owe Friendly's anything, but am hearing that he is going to run the fan designed scheme at Dover next weekend of his own expense.
 
He won't take a hint about what?
Racing?

He is not the best driver out there but if the new sponsor is for good funding and a full season. I think its great to have him around next year! Its good to have small teams in the sport, the spoirt has been flooded with multicar teams.
I wish the best of luck to him and his new sponsor. Which we will find out in a couple of hours.
 
Man I am not a Derrike Cope fan, but If I was, I dont think that I would sponsor him...
 
I am a Derrike Cope Fan. I am happy to see PHM put a deal for a full sponser in 04
 
The last time I looked, anyone who has a NASCAR license, the money and the car could enter a race.

Derrick wants to do this. So why shouldn't he have the opportunity.
 
No offence to Petty fans. But I don't see where Cope does much much worst then PE.
 
i think its about time for cope to retire he used to finish in the top 20 once or twice in his early days and yes he did get pretty lucky and win the 500. but winning the 500 isnt everything there are lots of other races in a season and i think being at that banquet at the end of the year finishing the top 10 in points out weighs winning just one 500.
 
Originally posted by 97buschfan@Sep 14 2003, 09:55 PM
i think its about time for cope to retire he used to finish in the top 20 once or twice in his early days and yes he did get pretty lucky and win the 500. but winning the 500 isnt everything there are lots of other races in a season and i think being at that banquet at the end of the year finishing the top 10 in points out weighs winning just one 500.
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As long as there are races there will be "also rans" and for now, Derricke Cope is in that category. He has some credentials, but he, like others, are past thier prime and/or ability in this series.
Cope, will do the right thing by racing the Friendly Restaurant sponsorship to Dover on his nickel. A commendable thing on his part. He might not finish well, but if he isn't there, who will take his place ??

Finding fault with back markers is easy. Offering a solution to the complaint is hard. Finding replacements is harder still.

Racing will always have winners and losers. One first place finisher and one last place finisher. If it were not Cope, who is the next candidate and would the gripe be the same ?? Or is there a valid reason for a team to finish last on a regular basis ?? :mellow:
 
Hey,

its like Morgan Shepherd. Morgan has 2 cars in his Race Shop and one engine plus he is the oldest out their. If that driver wants to race, let him race and dont bash becuase he isnt like a Jeff Gordon or Dale Jr.

Its good to see a low budget team out thier on a track trying to make a living. Paramount Hospitality Management LLC look to be a good sponser for Derrike Cope. Look @ least Cope has a sponser, some of these new teams cant get sponsers like Arnold Motorsports.

Derrike Cope only wont 2 races in his carrer and that doesnt mean anything some of these driver wished they had @ least one.
 
The problem I have with Morgan racing is he does a few laps and is in the garage long before the 1st scheduled pit stop. If the field is not full then it doesn't matter but there are young guys who need seat time that he is taking a spot from to get his $39K purse. I know, if they can't out drive him, but still...
 
Originally posted by barelypure@Sep 16 2003, 03:27 PM
The problem I have with Morgan racing is he does a few laps and is in the garage long before the 1st scheduled pit stop. If the field is not full then it doesn't matter but there are young guys who need seat time that he is taking a spot from to get his $39K purse. I know, if they can't out drive him, but still...
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Trickel once said that he could finish last in nascar and make more money then he could finishing first in arca. I think thats what Shepard is doing.
What make of car is cope going to be in?
 
Cope plans to run a Monte Carlo next season.

Matter of fact there is a pic of what the car may look like, more graphics may be added.

2004 Cope Car Pic
 
Atwood drove for Ray and finished in the standings cole to 43rd two year in a row and took home something like 3 million in winnings.

Considering it takes the Joe at the garage almost one and a half lifetimes to make that much it doesn't bother me at all that folks go out on track to make money, nor does it bother me that some take advantage of the prov system to do so. If a team can make the rules work to thier advantage nore power to them.

I am however an advocate of 43 on time. No excuses, and no breaks. Go Fast or Go Home.
 
Originally posted by barelypure@Sep 16 2003, 01:27 PM
The problem I have with Morgan racing is he does a few laps and is in the garage long before the 1st scheduled pit stop. If the field is not full then it doesn't matter but there are young guys who need seat time that he is taking a spot from to get his $39K purse. I know, if they can't out drive him, but still...
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Whats wrong with Morgan Shepherd???????

Dont bash my driver. I work part-time on the Racing for Jesus Team....... Morgan does that becuase we only have one Engine and we need to save it.
 
Originally posted by 97buschfan@Sep 14 2003, 04:55 PM
i think its about time for cope to retire he used to finish in the top 20 once or twice in his early days and yes he did get pretty lucky and win the 500. but winning the 500 isnt everything there are lots of other races in a season and i think being at that banquet at the end of the year finishing the top 10 in points out weighs winning just one 500.
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He also won the race at Dover that year so its not just a Daytona 500 that he one at.
 
I kind of think that all the Morgan and Cope are going to do is change the provisional system. Especially with Morgan just going out and riding around for a few laps and calling it quits. I would like to see the provisional system reduced to just two spots at each race with no special past champion. Otherwise just take it on time and take your chances.
 
...........I kind of think that all the Morgan and Cope are going to do is change the provisional system.

God I hope so. :D

Foyt and Petty having to bring out their extra numbers this year may do some to make NASCAR review it's prov policy also. One thing to protect the top 25, but quite another to protect the backmarkers.

My suggestion would be to protect the top 30, but after that it's Go Fast or Go Home in that NASCAR imo is never going to do away with the system entirely. Way too much revenue at stake to have any of it's stars sitting out races.
 
If you want to get technical, the provisional system isn't based on owner points; it's based on qualifying attempts. Owner points are just a tiebreaker.

Here's an idea that might work:

Qualify the top 36 on time. Then have a consolation "dash" race, roughly 1/10 the length of the main event, for all the cars that haven't qualified, unless 43 or fewer entries show up. Take the top 4 from the dash race into the main event, then have 3 provisionals: two based on qualifying attempts, and 1 for any feature winner that isn't yet qualified (which would go revert to the other provisional rules if untaken). Get rid of the maximum provisional rules, since you wouldn't need them with only three per race. And get rid of DW's Provisional, because that's exactly what it was. :D
 
"If you want to get technical, the provisional system isn't based on owner points; it's based on qualifying attempts. Owner points are just a tiebreaker."

Huh? Fraid not Strides. While points are garnered for making a qualifying attempt, the bottom line for determing who gets what prov and whether a team is charged or not charged for using one, and where a car lines up 37th back is ENTIRELY based on owner points except for the Champions Provisional, and a few other nuances.

For more on the provisional rules see jayski's provisional page.
 
Originally posted by stridsberry@Sep 17 2003, 08:04 PM
"and get rid of DW's provisional because that's exactly what it was".
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As 71Fan sez, "go fast or go home". One engine !! No excuse !! No speed, no excuse. No speed, GO HOME !!!!!!!

Or.............................. buy the ride from the little guy with one engine who had a faster time and made the field.
 
Originally posted by 71Fan@Sep 17 2003, 05:56 AM


Foyt and Petty having to bring out their extra numbers this year may do some to make NASCAR review it's prov policy also.
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When has PE brought out another number like Foyt has? IF your talkign about CF driving the 44 car at a few races this year well the reason is before he got the 43 ride CF was contracted to run 6 or 7 races in the 44 car with Bugles and Yankees on the car. Plus PE used the 44 full time last year and was hoping to run it full time this year but did not have enought sponsorship. Foyt used the 50 as a second car team for Indy last year and thats it. You think PE is just gonna drop the spomsors and not run the 44. Plus I think the 44 car has only made 1 or 2 starts this year mainly because of weather, but has flat out missed a race or two.
 
Too many people seem to be focusing on how old Derrike Cope is instead of the incredibly considerate thing he is doing this weekend.

He could have just said, "oh, i missed the race last week, too bad. Thanks for your money, it was a great paint scheme." Instead he is entering this weekend on his own expense to fullfill his commitment to a sponsor that has helped him this year and that girl that designed the scheme for his car. I don't think a lot of people would do that, so I applaud Derrike Cope for that.

And my opinion on retirement is racers should be able to race as long as they can. They have just as much right being there as the young racers do. If anything, it's harder for the older racers to stay in the sport, because once they stop performing like they did, everyone wants them to leave. People forget that old racers are still people, and that they are still there because they still enjoy racing. When you stop having fun, that's when you should retire.
 
Needless to say.....having the 44 car certainly was convienient, and considering that once Fitti ran the 43 out of provs he was switched to the 44. So yes, I DO think it was a calculated move on Petty's part....and a very good move at that. I do not expect to see Fitti in the 43 for any of the remaining races this year as Jeff Green is a proven veteran that can and will get the car in the show on time if the car is up to it.

Lucky for Kyle it was a rainout or he would probably be out of provs in the 45 also and once that happens, I fully expect to see Kyle running the 44. It's about the only way ANY of the Petty cars can keep up.

rpmallen.....gots to agree. If yer fast enuf or can use the system to your advantage, get out there and make a few bucks. I've watched a whole bunch of teams and drivers over the years go from being contenders to backmarkers. It's not all about who wins. :D
 
If I can find some press releases I will prove that CF wa splanned to run the 44 BEFORE he got the 43 ride and had to use provisionals.( If you remember Andretii ran the team out of them and CF had to make his first races on time whihc I think he did)
 
What are you going to prove? That Fitti was sposed to run a few races in the 44 for Bugles? Ok, that should be pretty easy to do.

But what's the difference? Between the three cars....43.44.45.....the 45 has one prov to use and the 44 has 4......Before the end of the year expect to see a Winston Cup race WITHOUT a Petty car in the field.
 
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