The top 35???

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Years past, the top 35 in standings were the most important thing from race to race. It hasn't been mentioned much lately.

I found it interesting Mark Martin and Brian Vickers are in with darn few races run.

And yes, I know how this works...
 
I don't think it is that much of an issue because there are about 10 start and park teams this year. Seems 30 laps into a race and 10 cars are out already. I wish they would get rid of the top 35 rule and not be concerned when there are less than 43 cars starting a race.
 
Smoke14 said:
There are no more sponsors?

Really, take a look at Vickers and Martin in the points standings.
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The Top 35 works off of Owners points.What does Vickers and Martins Drivers Points Standings have to do with the Top 35 Rule???
 
Smoke14 said:
There are no more sponsors?

Really, take a look at Vickers and Martin in the points standings.
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o_O

I didn't say there were no more sponsors.

The question was why nobody seems to talk about the top 35 anymore. Top 35 is to reassure a sponsor, and not many teams care to challenge for the top 35 without sponsorship on the car. So, it used to mean something because there used to be car sponsors.....for 43 cars.
 
Night all, honeydos to attend to, see if the wifes belly looks as good as the Ditzs yet. :D
 
I could'nt care less about the Top 35 I've always hated the rule. What concerns me is that only 43-45 cars are showing up for qualiying, where's the car count gone?
 
It's pretty obvious that this rule has run it's course. I never cared for it from the beginning but I understand what they were thinking when they implemented it.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It's pretty obvious that this rule has run it's course. I never cared for it from the beginning but I understand what they were thinking when they implemented it.
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I've always thought it was to reassure sponsors that they'd make the race and can you imane the drop in viewers if 1 or 2 of the Nascar's most popular drivers missed the "show?"
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The top 35 rule is another sorry ass rule that has destroyed NASCAR. Now, Daytona qualifying and the Gatorade Duels mean nothing. **** points selling, **** the top 35 and **** the Chase.
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Oh please . So you hate everything about Nascar . What else is new ? The top 35 rule (or some version of it ) has been around since the start . In the old days , it was called appearance money . Gatorade duals were always a sorry excuse for an exhibition race . mean nothing , never have . Points selling , who cares ? Doesn't effect the racing or the viewing one bit . And the chase , a needless gimmick, although it does have (some people ) , very excited about who is going to make it in. Right now , it is bringing a lot of attention to the sport that wouldn't have been there otherwise. We would have been entirely focused on the lead instead if twelfth.
 
#17D500winner said:
I've always thought it was to reassure sponsors that they'd make the race and can you imane the drop in viewers if 1 or 2 of the Nascar's most popular drivers missed the "show?"
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NASCAR seemed to continue on just fine after 1989 when one of it's most popular figures, Richard Petty, failed to qualify. He packed up his hauler and headed home after failing to qualify for the Richmond race. Life & the sport continued.

They had an excellent set of rules in effect prior to the Top 35 rule that allowed the competitors to earn provisionals that would prevent such a case as you've described. No, I'm not talking about the past-champions provisional. I'm talking about the ones that they earned as a result of attempting to make a race. They were in place to prevent teams/sponsors from being eliminated from the competition on Sundays.
 
ted@economy said:
Oh please . So you hate everything about Nascar . What else is new ? The top 35 rule (or some version of it ) has been around since the start . In the old days , it was called appearance money . Gatorade duals were always a sorry excuse for an exhibition race . mean nothing , never have . Points selling , who cares ? Doesn't effect the racing or the viewing one bit . And the chase , a needless gimmick, although it does have everyone else but you , very excited about who is going to make it in. Right now , it is bringing a lot of attention to the sport that wouldn't have been there otherwise. We would have been entirely focused on the lead instead if twelfth.
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Don't lump us all of the rest of us in the excitement of the Chase. I've never been a fan of it either. I quit complaining about it as there's not a heck of a lot that I can do about it but I look at it as a failed idea as it has not proven to do anything for the sport. If you can show me the increase in the gate, television, etc... then I'd have to agree with you.

The Duel's, Twin's, whatever they are called these days became even more meaningless and confusing with the implementation of the Top 35. I used to really enjoy these two races and looked forward to them during Speedweeks. You now need a slide rule and abacus to actually determine a meaningful spot on the track. It used to be a simple as everyone that qualified X position forward made the race, X behind did not. Now I need DW to tell me what's important. I don't like to have to rely on DW for anything. :D
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Don't lump us all of the rest of us in the excitement of the Chase. I've never been a fan of it either. :D
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Wasn't trying to lump anyone in , least of all me . I am not a fan of the chase , but I am a lot more interested in who is in 12th than I have ever been.
 
ted@economy said:
Oh please . So you hate everything about Nascar . What else is new ? The top 35 rule (or some version of it ) has been around since the start . In the old days , it was called appearance money . Gatorade duals were always a sorry excuse for an exhibition race . mean nothing , never have . Points selling , who cares ? Doesn't effect the racing or the viewing one bit . And the chase , a needless gimmick, although it does have everyone else but you , very excited about who is going to make it in. Right now , it is bringing a lot of attention to the sport that wouldn't have been there otherwise. We would have been entirely focused on the lead instead if twelfth.
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NASCAR has outgrown the days of apperance money. This isn't little league short track racing, this is big boy racing. There shouldn't be a free ride for anyone. The provisional system worked fine, there was no need for the top-35 rule.

Points selling doesn't affect the outcome of the race? Remember Martinsville?

Everyone else enjoys the Chase? Seriously, everyone? I don't think you speak for "everyone else". The Chase is the most polarizing thing that's been done in the sport.

Oh, and NASCAR doesn't get mainstream attention with the Chase either. The only time NASCAR gets mainstream attendance is when there's a crash or when a handful of drunken idiots boo at Michelle Obama.
 
ted@economy said:
Wasn't trying to lump anyone in , least of all me . I am not a fan of the chase , but I am a lot more interested in who is in 12th than I have ever been.
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OK, I'll give you that.

My biggest issue with it is that I've been a fan of this sport a long time before the Chase idea came across the mind of BF. The idea that championships earned under this format will be forever compared to season long earned championships is what bugs me. We've now been reduced to a 10-race season no matter how you look at it. The best overall driver throughout the season will more than likely not be our champion year to year. And, please don't throw other sports into this. This is NASCAR. What they do in other sports really shouldn't have a bearing on this sport. NASCAR has long stood for the best driver over the entire season, not the final ten. I completely understand what they had in mind with its implementation, but I don't think that it has accomplished its goals. But I digress. This thread is about the Top 35. I don't like it either. Oh, and spinach. I can do without that too.
 
I would be quite happy to have a run away points leader winning the championship. I would also love to see a points leader with no wins winning the championship . Resetting the points with ten races to go is just like resetting the field with ten laps to go . A useless exercise to appease complaining fans ,who don't normally follow racing .
 
ted@economy said:
Oh please . So you hate everything about Nascar . What else is new ? The top 35 rule (or some version of it ) has been around since the start . In the old days , it was called appearance money . Gatorade duals were always a sorry excuse for an exhibition race . mean nothing , never have . Points selling , who cares ? Doesn't effect the racing or the viewing one bit . And the chase , a needless gimmick, although it does have (some people ) , very excited about who is going to make it in. Right now , it is bringing a lot of attention to the sport that wouldn't have been there otherwise. We would have been entirely focused on the lead instead if twelfth.
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Ted are you really Brian France in disguise trying to justify some of this crap like the undercover boss tv shows. :D
 
ted@economy said:
I would be quite happy to have a run away points leader winning the championship. I would also love to see a points leader with no wins winning the championship . Resetting the points with ten races to go is just like resetting the field with ten laps to go . A useless exercise to appease complaining fans ,who don't normally follow racing .
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I don't like the chase, but a champion with no wins would make me puke.
 
Has anyone in 12th place with 10 races to go won the championship??
 
SST55 said:
Has anyone in 12th place with 10 races to go won the championship??
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Since they started taking 12 into the Chase in 2007 the furthest that anyone has come from behind is Tony, last year. He was in a 4-way tie for 9th entering the Chase races, (could be considered 12th depending how you look at it).
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Since they started taking 12 into the Chase in 2007 the furthest that anyone has come from behind is Tony, last year. He was in a 4-way tie for 9th entering the Chase races, (could be considered 12th depending how you look at it).
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Last is last. How's that work for ya'?
 
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