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Okay, even though I was watching the race on Sunday, I just wasn't paying attention to the actions that went on before the wreck and even when they re-ran the tape, I was more or less watching what happened to Bobby Labonte and again, didn't see what really triggered the whole mess. Today, I watched the rerun over and over again, this time paying attention to the two who started the melee. Having read all the posts that at the minimum put McDowell at fault, to the Andy maximum, put a gun to his head and pull the trigger, AND still not knowing exactly what happened before that might have been a part of it all, I still am not totally sure that this whole thing was started on purpose. I'm not in any way saying that it was nothing but a racing incident, but I'm not going to cast total blame on McDowell that he purposely pushed Gilliland into the outer wall.

Here's what I saw, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (except for Andy who knows all and of course has already condemned those who were wrong), but David G. got a little loose, whether or not someone touched him. That pushed him out a bit and McDowell saw an opening. He then went to the inside and attempted the pass. Now I think everyone will agree with that so far, but it's what happens next that has everyone all in a tizzy. (I love this sort of thing...plenty of detectives trying to figure out what happens via a couple of different camera angles). Could McDowell have gone into the corner just a tab bit too fast, not being able to stay down and thus causing the accident? Or, was he ticked at David for something and saw an opening and siezed the moment and saw a way of taking him out of the race? If someone had been on the outside of Ryan Newman when he overshot the corner, they too would have been taken out. Of course, there was a lot of differences between the two incidents, a restart, many cars clumped together and more to the point, Newman has much more experience than McDowell.

If NASCAR doesn't dole out huge penalties to McDowell, I think that they too will have doubts as to what might have happened and they will have much more to use for their decision beside a couple of different camera angles. Testimony from all the drivers, but more importantly, from the two who triggered it all. I will certainly be interested to see what they, NASCAR do. But as I said, I won't be surprised if it is much less than the knee jerk reaction of us fans.
 
I never got a really good look at what caused it myself. Maybe it was a bit of rookie exuberence. Maybe it was 2 guys fighting for the same spot. It's not like this thing has never happenned before.
 
buckaroo said:
Okay, even though I was watching the race on Sunday, I just wasn't paying attention to the actions that went on before the wreck and even when they re-ran the tape, I was more or less watching what happened to Bobby Labonte and again, didn't see what really triggered the whole mess. Today, I watched the rerun over and over again, this time paying attention to the two who started the melee. Having read all the posts that at the minimum put McDowell at fault, to the Andy maximum, put a gun to his head and pull the trigger, AND still not knowing exactly what happened before that might have been a part of it all, I still am not totally sure that this whole thing was started on purpose. I'm not in any way saying that it was nothing but a racing incident, but I'm not going to cast total blame on McDowell that he purposely pushed Gilliland into the outer wall.

Here's what I saw, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (except for Andy who knows all and of course has already condemned those who were wrong), but David G. got a little loose, whether or not someone touched him. That pushed him out a bit and McDowell saw an opening. He then went to the inside and attempted the pass. Now I think everyone will agree with that so far, but it's what happens next that has everyone all in a tizzy. (I love this sort of thing...plenty of detectives trying to figure out what happens via a couple of different camera angles). Could McDowell have gone into the corner just a tab bit too fast, not being able to stay down and thus causing the accident? Or, was he ticked at David for something and saw an opening and siezed the moment and saw a way of taking him out of the race? If someone had been on the outside of Ryan Newman when he overshot the corner, they too would have been taken out. Of course, there was a lot of differences between the two incidents, a restart, many cars clumped together and more to the point, Newman has much more experience than McDowell.

If NASCAR doesn't dole out huge penalties to McDowell, I think that they too will have doubts as to what might have happened and they will have much more to use for their decision beside a couple of different camera angles. Testimony from all the drivers, but more importantly, from the two who triggered it all. I will certainly be interested to see what they, NASCAR do. But as I said, I won't be surprised if it is much less than the knee jerk reaction of us fans.
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I'd bet McDowell's on his way back to ARCA as we speak. And he had a little reputation there as well.
 
im interested in seeing if tommarow nascar announces a penilty for the #00. that could really hurt the team i dont the standings as of now but with 5 to go at the glen they said #00 was only 10 points behind 35th place in points.
 
buckaroo said:
Okay, even though I was watching the race on Sunday, I just wasn't paying attention to the actions that went on before the wreck and even when they re-ran the tape, I was more or less watching what happened to Bobby Labonte and again, didn't see what really triggered the whole mess. Today, I watched the rerun over and over again, this time paying attention to the two who started the melee. Having read all the posts that at the minimum put McDowell at fault, to the Andy maximum, put a gun to his head and pull the trigger, AND still not knowing exactly what happened before that might have been a part of it all, I still am not totally sure that this whole thing was started on purpose. I'm not in any way saying that it was nothing but a racing incident, but I'm not going to cast total blame on McDowell that he purposely pushed Gilliland into the outer wall.

Here's what I saw, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (except for Andy who knows all and of course has already condemned those who were wrong), but David G. got a little loose, whether or not someone touched him. That pushed him out a bit and McDowell saw an opening. He then went to the inside and attempted the pass. Now I think everyone will agree with that so far, but it's what happens next that has everyone all in a tizzy. (I love this sort of thing...plenty of detectives trying to figure out what happens via a couple of different camera angles). Could McDowell have gone into the corner just a tab bit too fast, not being able to stay down and thus causing the accident? Or, was he ticked at David for something and saw an opening and siezed the moment and saw a way of taking him out of the race? If someone had been on the outside of Ryan Newman when he overshot the corner, they too would have been taken out. Of course, there was a lot of differences between the two incidents, a restart, many cars clumped together and more to the point, Newman has much more experience than McDowell.

If NASCAR doesn't dole out huge penalties to McDowell, I think that they too will have doubts as to what might have happened and they will have much more to use for their decision beside a couple of different camera angles. Testimony from all the drivers, but more importantly, from the two who triggered it all. I will certainly be interested to see what they, NASCAR do. But as I said, I won't be surprised if it is much less than the knee jerk reaction of us fans.
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I think I recall one of the announcers say that something had been going on between McDowell and Gilliland a few turns back before the wreck.
 
tkj24 said:
Acording to Mikey on TWIN last night it was Gilliland's fault.
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It was, couldn't you tell? Gilliland didn't give him enough room to complete the pass coming out of turn 11. :sarcasm:

McDowell was clearly retaliating over something. That was just about as intentional as it gets. The move off 11 looked like the same crap Juan Montoya pulled on Wildthing. I just call it as I see it.
 
"I had a run and I went underneath him, and he just didn't give me a whole lot of room," said McDowell, who was involved in the season's most spectacular wreck when he flipped his Toyota several times on a qualifying lap at Texas Motor Speedway. "Maybe I shouldn't have been in there, but we're racing hard to try to get back into the top 35 in owner points."
 
As far as I'm concerned, it was a "racin' deal" --- my reasoning ?

First, nothing was shown to prove that those 2 had been "discussing" before hand.
Second, I wasn't privy to the thoughts of either driver.

Ergo, a "racin' deal".
 
It was stated those two had been beating and banging a few turns prior to the accident. But nothing was shown to back that up.

McDowell turned left on a right-handed turn. If that's not stuffing someone into the wall, I don't know what is. Even if something did happen prior to that, there's still no call for any driver to do that.

I go back to something that Ken Schrader said on TWIN many years ago. He said it's always your fault anytime you drive onto the racetrack.
 
MRM said:
It was stated those two had been beating and banging a few turns prior to the accident. But nothing was shown to back that up.
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Actually I thought they did show them banging a bit a couple of turns before.

:sarcasm:But, actually since Andy has posted on this issue we just need to close the thread and delete all the posts but his. No need for the rest of us to waste keyboard strokes... :sarcasm:
 
MRM said:
McDowell turned left on a right-handed turn. If that's not stuffing someone into the wall, I don't know what is. Even if something did happen prior to that, there's still no call for any driver to do that.
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That happens all the time for a number of reasons. Are you so sure that he did this on purpose and wasn't just chasing his own car?

We may never know what really happened, but such is racing. Even if it was on purpose, it's not like it hasn't happened before. In the early days of this sport, putting someone into the wall intentionally was part of the sport.
 
If Mikey doesn't blame McDowell, then why isn't he racing at Michigan this week?
 
I just heard an interesting comment from D.J. on NASCAR Now. He believes that NASCAR and Watkins Glen need to get rid of the tire barrier along the section where the wreck occured. He said that a safer barrier would be more appropriate (and safer) because when Gilliland hit the tires it shot him back out into the middle of the racing groove. The safer wall would not have the rebounding effect of the tire barrier.
Also, D.J. said that he feels neither driver should be penalized for rough driving because, in his eyes, it was a racing deal.
 
BobbyFord said:
I just heard an interesting comment from D.J. on NASCAR Now. He believes that NASCAR and Watkins Glen need to get rid of the tire barrier along the section where the wreck occured. He said that a safer barrier would be more appropriate (and safer) because when Gilliland hit the tires it shot him back out into the middle of the racing groove. The safer wall would not have the rebounding effect of the tire barrier.
Also, D.J. said that he feels neither driver should be penalized for rough driving because, in his eyes, it was a racing deal.
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i agree. the tire wall actually caused that wreck- way too much rebound.
 
BobbyFord said:
Also, D.J. said that he feels neither driver should be penalized for rough driving because, in his eyes, it was a racing deal.
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Hmmm, I wonder what NASCAR Andy has to say about this. Could it be that DJ will now be on Andy's hit list? :eek:
 
Well, Tuesday has come and gone and nothing from NASCAR about this incident. It looks to me as though they have come to the conclusion that it was a racing incident since no penalties or even mention of it came out of Daytona.

Sorry Andy, your insight has just been slammed.
 
buckaroo said:
Well, Tuesday has come and gone and nothing from NASCAR about this incident. It looks to me as though they have come to the conclusion that it was a racing incident since no penalties or even mention of it came out of Daytona.

Sorry Andy, your insight has just been slammed.
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like usuall:growl:
 
buckaroo said:
Well, Tuesday has come and gone and nothing from NASCAR about this incident. It looks to me as though they have come to the conclusion that it was a racing incident since no penalties or even mention of it came out of Daytona.

Sorry Andy, your insight has just been slammed.
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:idunno:

NASCAR's just adding in an extra element for Bristol. :growl:

Oh wait, MW pulled McDowell out of the car through California. He must be afraid his car won't make it to the end at Bristol. :lol2:
 
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