Thoughts on the race??

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Here's mine...

1.) Next time Chad Knauss should make sure that his brain is engaged before he puts his mouth in gear.

2.) It amazes me that car owners still allow Derrike Cope and Jimmy Spencer behind the wheel of a race car.

3.) Lapped drivers suck.

4.) "In-the-way-all-day" award?? Casey Mears.

5.) "Idiot of the day" award? Greg Biffle.

6.) Sorry for Mark and Rusty.

7.) Congrats to Jeff.
 
i want you to go and race one of those cars, see if you can keep up, just because your "driver" didn't have a good finish or whatever doesn't give you the right to mouth off. so buddy calm down
 
shadowflames said:
i want you to go and race one of those cars, see if you can keep up, just because your "driver" didn't have a good finish or whatever doesn't give you the right to mouth off. so buddy calm down
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I'm very calm. Does it seem like I'm not??
 
no! it doesn't look like you are.

it looks like you're upset.
 
Here's mine
1. NBC still sux
2. I hate BP
3. I agree with Bobby's #2 through #7
4. Chad Knaus needs to put Jimmie's tool back in his mouth and STFU
 
I don't agree with your thoughts either. But then you probably won't agree with mine either, but I do like to read your to see how others think. Here's mine, not any any order.

I hate it when drivers, whether on the lead lap or otherwise, criticize other drivers for racing. I mean, that's the name of this game. Each and every one of these guys have been down a lap or two or more and want to get back on the lead lap.

I hate the lucky dog deal though my fav, Kahne, used it numerous times and was able to finish on the lead lap. They should, in my opinion, rethink how to do this lucky dog thing.

I love this track, but think that one of these days soon, there will only be one race per season here. :(

While this track is one of Rusty's favorites, it tickles me when he has trouble here. It's not that I don't care for him, I don't, but it's just that he has for so many years believed that a win there should be given to him.

Mike Wallace has shown me now for several years that he is now the latest Dave Marcis as a driver who is down a lap or more. For those of you who don't know Dave, Dave was a guy who would drive as hard as he could whether he was on the lead lap of 100 down. If you wanted to get around him, you had to work, and work very hard to do it. He never gave anything to anyone. Mike is doing the same.

For a change, a Roush car wasn't dominant. Am I wrong, or did Kurt, who was penalized a lap for rough driving, get the top finish for a Roush car? I feel for Mark, but that's racing.

All in all, I certainly did enjoy this race as I usually do. There are enough cautions to keep anyone from totally dominating the race and the outcome sure proved that to be. Tony was the boss for three quarters or more of the race and then couldn't win. I used to attend this race in person, and always had a great time, but now I have that great time watching on the tube. If we could only have about six more races or more a year on similar tracks. :(
 
shadowflames said:
no! it doesn't look like you are.

it looks like you're upset.
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I'm not upset, my "driver" moved up a spot in the chase.
I'm glad Knauss' words bit him in the butt.


This sport brings out the emotion in fans and these are my views on today's race.
Fortunately, I'm entitled to my opinion.
 
buckaroo,

I agree with you (except for the Rusty stuff).
This forum is about opinions and debate. I appreciate and respect everyone's opinions, whether I agree with them or not.
 
Im sure Chad is just gonna keep his mouth shut for the rest of the year. As for the idiot of the day award to Greg that is a total understatement. I was actually hoping Tony would do a little more then just a bump. There was no sense for Greg to race Tony like that. It is called respect and Greg showed none of it.
 
wow...passing, racing great, and finishing 3rd right behing the 20 counts as being bit in the butt!?

I think there are tons of racers who'd like to get bit in the butt then... ;)
 
why should any driver just roll over for another one? I don't understand that train of thought, I also don't understand the whole "let me lead a lap and then pass me back" thing either. I mean, i get it, but it just seems like there is too much room for error.
 
buckaroo said:
I don't agree with your thoughts either. But then you probably won't agree with mine either, but I do like to read your to see how others think. Here's mine, not any any order.

I hate it when drivers, whether on the lead lap or otherwise, criticize other drivers for racing. I mean, that's the name of this game. Each and every one of these guys have been down a lap or two or more and want to get back on the lead lap.

I hate the lucky dog deal though my fav, Kahne, used it numerous times and was able to finish on the lead lap. They should, in my opinion, rethink how to do this lucky dog thing.

I love this track, but think that one of these days soon, there will only be one race per season here. :(

While this track is one of Rusty's favorites, it tickles me when he has trouble here. It's not that I don't care for him, I don't, but it's just that he has for so many years believed that a win there should be given to him.

Mike Wallace has shown me now for several years that he is now the latest Dave Marcis as a driver who is down a lap or more. For those of you who don't know Dave, Dave was a guy who would drive as hard as he could whether he was on the lead lap of 100 down. If you wanted to get around him, you had to work, and work very hard to do it. He never gave anything to anyone. Mike is doing the same.

For a change, a Roush car wasn't dominant. Am I wrong, or did Kurt, who was penalized a lap for rough driving, get the top finish for a Roush car? I feel for Mark, but that's racing.

All in all, I certainly did enjoy this race as I usually do. There are enough cautions to keep anyone from totally dominating the race and the outcome sure proved that to be. Tony was the boss for three quarters or more of the race and then couldn't win. I used to attend this race in person, and always had a great time, but now I have that great time watching on the tube. If we could only have about six more races or more a year on similar tracks. :(
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:eek: buckaroo this is getting scary! We think alike! :p
 
Now THAT was a RACE! Yep, Biff was acting like the idiot Tony called him, Jeff won, Bobby Lab finally had things go better, and on and on.
Overall, the ethusiastic attitude of the teams was contageous.
Mike Wallace had problems today, Rusty whined, Biff shifted blame, Tony was grascious, and NBC SUCKS!
 
It seemed to me that every driver, no matter what position they were in, were more intense than in the past. It was beat, bang, push, and shove all the way back to whoever ran last.
 
#7 for me...way to go Jeffy! I was wishing the 48 would catch up with smoke in the final laps.. :)
Betsy
 
I'm glad of what Chad did. Its nice to see some fun be made to get in a drivers mind.

I ws ju8st waiting for tony to punch the gas in the turn and spin greg into the wall. Greg was being a total @$$hole.

1. NBC still sucks hortribly (MISSED RESTARTS!!!!!!)
2. Gregs an idiot
3. Woohoo for jeff
4. Gregs an idiot
5. Jimie and tony were putting on a good show there
6. Gregs an idiot
7. NASCAR needs to have their own drivers license. That way the drivers would have to pass a driving test [cough]Derrick Cope, Greg Biffle[/cough]
8. Gregs an idiot
9. NASCAR needs another "make rules up as we go" rule. In the chase races, the first 5 cars off the lead lap only get to go double file. Those who aren't the First 5 off the lead lap, go to the end of the longest line (gee, wonder which one that would be?)
10. Gregs an idiot

Howbout that?
 
Magnethead, I guess you're saying you think Greg's an idiot. :p
 
Here is mine:

1. Greg Biffle is a baby!! He said it himself, he was in 20th and Tony was in 2nd, get
the Hell out of the Way!!!

Mike Wallace has shown me now for several years that he is now the latest Dave Marcis as a driver who is down a lap or more. For those of you who don't know Dave, Dave was a guy who would drive as hard as he could whether he was on the lead lap of 100 down. If you wanted to get around him, you had to work, and work very hard to do it. He never gave anything to anyone. Mike is doing the same.
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2. This is my #2, and I am not sure if you are applauding Mike Wallace here or not
but I am definitely NOT!!! He may race hard but he is all over the pkace. He
really needs to get a spotter worth a crap if he wants to race that hard b/c every
time I saw him he was the one running into someone.

3. Jimmie wanted to Whine so bad but he did good to keep it to himself since he
to has done the "Bump and Run".

4. Nice run by Schrader!!!

5. Oh Look Mike Bliss wrecked, Again!!!!
 
wolfcub said:
2. This is my #2, and I am not sure if you are applauding Mike Wallace here or not but I am definitely NOT!!! He may race hard but he is all over the pkace. He really needs to get a spotter worth a crap if he wants to race that hard b/c every time I saw him he was the one running into someone.
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I actually like Mike and his hard driving style, but I just don't understand his "I'll be damned if I will let him pass" attitude when a pass doesn't mean a thing in his position. Marcis drove that way and everyone knew that when they came up to him, he'd even block to keep someone from passing. Mike may not block, but he does everything but block. I first noticed this when he was driving AJ Foyt's car some years ago. I know that I've always said, the name of the game is racing, but there are some instances when it is wise for a driver to step aside and let a car go by. I'm not in any way saying that when a leader comes up on a lapped car that said lapped car should step aside, but when said lapped car isn't close to be overtaken by the next car in position, said lapped car isn't close to being the "lucky dog", ect, ect. it only makes sense to step aside. However, that being said, there isn't a rule that says one must "let" a car pass them. The "move over" flag is not mandatory but only a suggestion.

Jeez, what a quagmire I've found myself. :eek:
 
Jimmie didn't want to whine. He kept cool as he always does. Knaus should be proud, for Tony had to get Jimmie loose to pass him. Tony is lucky that they had that caution, because Jimmie was leaving his ass pre-caution thanks to Biffle.
 
Unless the rules have changed again, Nascar still has a move over flag for slower cars. 10 laps down doesn't necessarily mean you have a slower car.
As far as I'm concerned, If you qualify for the race you should be able to race. drivers should know that lapped cars are part of the race and always have been. Slow cars are a different thing that nascar needs to look at.
 
Indeed, NASCAR does have a "move over" flag, the blue flag with yellow diagonal.

I thought they had a rule, if the flag was pointed to a car a lap down, that car had to move over in X laps or recieve the black flag.
 
Magnethead said:
Indeed, NASCAR does have a "move over" flag, the blue flag with yellow diagonal.

I thought they had a rule, if the flag was pointed to a car a lap down, that car had to move over in X laps or recieve the black flag.
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No, it's only a suggestion. However, if there comes a problem, NASCAR will get together with the team and make that suggestion a little more stronger. There is no rule that a driver has to let another pass. There are times however, when a driver can't pass, such as under caution (unless otherwise told to). The only time a car will be black flagged under this type of condition is when it doesn't meet the minimum speed requirement. However, if a car can't meet minimum speed, it surely won't hold up for very long many cars.
 
Well i watched most of the race, not all of it, but from my point of view it is getting quite obvious this track just isn't big enough for 43 cars. It never has been...36 maybe like the trucks run , but not 43. Mike Wallace gained my respect back in 2000 when he was racing at Pikes Peak, he started the Winston West race , got a lap down, then managed to get his lap back and win the race. He then jumped into a Truck and managed to win that race on the last lap. He can drive and given great equipment he would be as good as any of the top guys out there.
 
They used to run 32 cars at Martinsville until the sponsors became so heavily involved financially and then the number of competitors gradually climbed to the present number of 43.

As for the race, it was absolutely the best !!!!!! Sure beats the devil out of tracks like Kansas, Chicago, Michigan and California. Note Talledega and Daytona are not listed as they are not racing but merely convenience money makers for entertainment purposes and those who watch this entertainment for the wrecks.

As for Mike Wallace and Greg Biffle, they were r-a-c-i-n-g. Tony knows that and was annoyed, as he should have been. The best move in the entire race, totally out of character and unexpected, provided only a temporary advantage as Mark Martin spun another car to keep from going a lap down. This was real short track racing.

It will be a shame if NASCAR doesn't sanction races on more one-half mile facilities and the crystal ball gives indication Martinsville will go to one race each year.

Until something better comes along, in my opinion, Martinsville Speedway offers the best racing on the circuit.

It didn't matter who won, this was the epitome of short track racing. The only thing to make it better would have been fewer caution flags throughout the race as many were unnecessary.

One final thought, Chad Knause did exactly what he should have done by ragging on Tony and team.
It is called mind games and played by every team worth thier salt. Anything to try to rattle the other team without making slanderous or personal attacks is fair game.

Guaranteed once is a while the comment comes back to bite the speaker but if it works, why not use it??
 
Trey48 said:
Jimmie didn't want to whine. He kept cool as he always does. Knaus should be proud, for Tony had to get Jimmie loose to pass him. Tony is lucky that they had that caution, because Jimmie was leaving his ass pre-caution thanks to Biffle.
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what planet are you from ??
 
^ i know that was wierd.

but one thing i dont get is why you guys are all blaming greg? i mean it was ovbiously a racing deal, tony is in the chase..biffle is in the chase..what more do you expect of biffle? just to let mr i'm leading the point standing pass like nothing? i think not.

now i'm not a greg biffle fan by any means but even a non-greg biffle fan should recognize that. MY OPINION.
 
This may have been asked somewhere else, but did anyone else think it was kinda odd they put out the green flag with a car stalled right under the flag stand. I think it was Hermie that was stalled, but I could be wrong. Anyway I thought NASCAR was suppose to be paying attention to things like that.
 
thats what i thought. But i think they said he brokme a ring gear..not sure.
 
kat2220 said:
Rusty whined,
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What did he whine about????? I must have missed that part. He was up front just about all day? He got taken out, The pit reporter asked what happened and he told it like it was. He answered just like ANY other driver would. That was not whining. I take it you did not hear tony on "Nascar Victory Lane". :confused:
 
well trey you must have your lowes colored glasses and on and earplugs in. Jimmy crys and whines almost as much as rusty did back in the late 90's, nothing is EVER his fault, and no one will move over so he can pass and that is just not right after all he is in the chase

chase = one of the stupidest things nascar ever did excluding restrictor plates
 
Give me a good example of when he has whined...

Just because he tells what happened, like the announcers ask, doesn't mean he's whining.

By the way, it's Jimmie, not Jimmy.
 
Trey48 said:
Give me a good example of when he has whined...
Just because he tells what happened, like the announcers ask, doesn't mean he's whining.
By the way, it's Jimmie, not Jimmy.
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There is not enough room to mention ALL the times Jimmie has whined.
Jimmie Johnson has become NASCAR's "habitual bitcher" and, in my scorebook, has succeeded in surpassing Tony Stewart and Greg Zippadelli, who, until two weeks ago, were shoo-ins for the "kings of whiners hill" annual award.

Yep, no matter if Jimmie wins the championship this year (and in the event he does win the championship, he will have earned it) he will most likely receive the "Whiner of the Year" award in a separate, off camera, ceremony.

To give credit where credit is due, Jimmie is getting better and he is definitely one helluva driver. Johnson's skills go beyond good car setups and a smart crew chief. Jimmie happens to have all the pieces of the puzzle and with a little more time, Jimmie will learn what to say and how to say it so it doesn't come across as whining. It is called diplomacy.
You know, sorta like telling someone to go to hell in such a way they look forward to the trip. :)
 
Heh...nice explanation.

Though, I still fail to see how he could get that award when there is a Greg Biffle and Kurt Busch racing, too.
 
There is a difference. Jimmie has a problem with admitting he screwed up. He just can't get those three words out and if he does, there is always a caveat. Some people don't care for that too much.

Rusty was whining top dog since the early eighties and although it took years, fans came to the conclusion, that was just Rusty's means of venting his frustrations.

Guys like Kurt Busch and Tony Stewart get training in what to say and how to say it, an example being Busch's actions at Bristol. Some fans were disappointed Busch didn't cuss and throw punches while others were amazed Kurt was restrained despite his justifiable anger.
Who knows, perhaps Jimmie will be like Rusty and carry badge of whiner throughout his career.
The thing is, fans want it both ways. They want the drivers to be themselves, like Tony and Kurt used to be, and like a Jeff Gordon or Dale Earnhardt always have been, but the same fans will complain when Jimmie Johnson speaks out. That is just the personality and temperament of the person. Ain't none of us perfect and we can all seem to find fault in someone else just as some of us find fault with Jimmie as a whiner.

No one really wants Jimmie to change. Johnson's fans like the logic and his detractors like the fact they have a reason to squirt on his shoes because he finishes close to the front or wins after overcoming adversity.

From here, I can take Jimmie whining but have a hard time dealing with Jimmie refusing to accept responsibility after screwing up and if he does say he was wrong, there is always that pesky caveat.
 
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