Time to take away Wins!!!

wolfcub

wolfcub

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#48 and #5 fail post race at Dover? too high? been told that the winning #48 Chevy that Jimmie Johnson drove to victory at Dover didn't meet the height reqiurements in post-race inspection and supposedly the #5 Chevy failed also. #5-Busch finished a very close 2nd. Hearing the height was over 3/4" off in the rear of the cars. It was mentioned during the race broadcast that the two cars sat higher then other cars on the track. Was told that it was reported to the media that all cars passed inspection, not sure if their is a shock issue or if fines will be handed out, Tuesday is usually the day NASCAR announces such things [except for after New Hampshire last week]. The #5 team was fined back in March for having the quarter panels too high at Las Vegas and the #48 was fined after Vegas for being too low.(9-27-2005)

They have pushed the envelope and been caught a second time, IMO the 48 should be stripped of the win!!!!
 
They'll get a fine and lose some points.
Just like those before them, the #5 and #48 shouldn't be treated any different.
 
HELL YES THEY SHOULD!!! This is thier second time this year being caught!!! Once may be a mistake (I do not believe it though) but twice is deliberate
 
wolfcub said:
HELL YES THEY SHOULD!!! This is thier second time this year being caught!!! Once may be a mistake (I do not believe it though) but twice is deliberate
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HELL NO THEY SHOULDN'T!!!
Others have been caught as repeat offenders and haven't had the win taken away. Why should they?
 
Not gonna happen,...but it should, as I have said before take the win away, issue a $50,000, fine and lose the points for that race. Do you think anybody will ever cheat again?
 
Here is the ARTICLE regarding what you posted, wolfcub. And, there were shocks confiscated from SEVERAL teams other than the ones you mentioned!!!!

Posted on Mon, Sep. 26, 2005
Shocks, post-race inspections, measurements raise questions

By JIM UTTER

ThatsRacin.com Writer


NASCAR officials confiscated rear shocks from six Nextel Cup teams following Sunday's MBNA 400 at Dover, Del., and plan to begin testing them Tuesday.
Among the teams that had shocks taken: Race winner Jimmie Johnson; Johnson's Hendrick Motorsports teammate Kyle Busch, who finished second; Ryan Newman, who finished fifth; and his Penske Racing South teammate, Rusty Wallace, who finished sixth.

Two Roush Racing teams - those of Mark Martin and Greg Biffle - also had rear shocks taken.

NASCAR officials took the shocks after several crew members and crew chiefs, watching the post-race inspection process, complained about the right-rear of the No. 48 and the team's attempt to clear post-race inspection, several witnesses to the incident said.

NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston confirmed Monday night that NASCAR had taken rear shocks from the six teams after post-race inspection.

He also confirmed the Nos. 48 and 5 Chevrolets did not meet the required right-rear quarter panel height on their initial measurement in inspection, but after allowing the shocks to settle, they made the required height.

"All cars going through inspection had their rear shocks taken to ensure they were in compliance with our shock rules," Poston said. "We want to be sure everything is being done right."

During the race itself, several drivers - Dale Earnhardt Jr., Rusty Wallace and Kyle Busch - made references to the rear-end height of the Nos. 48 and 5 Chevrolets.

During one caution period, Earnhardt Jr. had the following conversation with crew chief, Tony Eury Jr.:

"Man, that 5 car (Kyle Busch) is really jacked up in the back," Earnhardt Jr. said.

"Yeah, you could fit a fence post under there," Eury Jr. replied.

"Yeah. Something's going on there," Earnhardt Jr. said.

Late in the race under caution, Kyle Busch made the following comment to his crew chief Alan Gustafson over the team radio:

"Remind me about the 48 right-rear after he race," Busch said.

"10-4, will do it," Gustafson replied.

Poston declined to comment on the radio calls or complaints from other teams about the rear-end height of the Nos. 48 and 5.
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http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/12748827.htm
 
Late in the race under caution, Kyle Busch made the following comment to his crew chief Alan Gustafson over the team radio:

"Remind me about the 48 right-rear after he race," Busch said.
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What the hell is that all about?
 
Martin got 25 pts and $50,000 two years ago at Charlotte for being 1/4" too low in post race. They should get no less than that.
 
wolfcub said:
HELL YES THEY SHOULD!!! This is thier second time this year being caught!!! Once may be a mistake (I do not believe it though) but twice is deliberate
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Kinda like Tony last year when he was knocking people out of the way even when he was asked to stop? :D
 
NASCAR is getting ridiculous with the fines and stuff, that's hurting the sport..
 
if it was Jimmy Spencer they would take the win all his money and supend him for the rest of the season,
ain't gona happen to a poster boy
 
No. 78 crew chief fined for fuel cell violation
Official Release
September 27, 2005
02:31 PM EDT (18:31 GMT)

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- NASCAR announced Tuesday that Joe Garone, crew chief for the No. 78 Chevrolet driven by Kenny Wallace in the Nextel Cup Series, has been fined $1,000 for an infraction during last weekend's event at Dover International Speedway.

Garone was fined for an unapproved fuel cell recessed well, a violation of Section 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing) and Section 12-4-U (unapproved fuel cell container) of the NASCAR Nextel Cup Series rule book. There were false panels inside the recessed well.
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link to nascar.com article
 
These guys do in deed push the envelope, but they always have and always will. If, in the eyes of the almighty NASCAR, they deem that this is too much of an advantage, they will do something to stop it. However, as I have said in the past, this sport is in a stage of flux and anything can and will happen when deemed necessary. For any of you to think that NASCAR would take away a win, deduct points, or fine the points leader during the "chase" is just silly. They won't and didn't. Nobody said that this sport was fair in any way. Go ask Mark Martin if you don't believe that. The thing that will probably come of this incident is a study of shocks and probably new rules next year as to what, when and where of the shocks.

One of these days, this sport will come down to the sanctioning body handing all the teams a crate car and telling them that they can't do anything to it except to paint and put on decals. I hope I'm long gone when that happens, but it's more than three quarters of the way there from what the sport was just ten years ago.
 
Roush Racing president Geoff Smith said he expects NASCAR officials to issue a technical bulletin as early as Friday outlawing the trick shock absorbers used by Hendrick Motorsports teammates #48-Jimmie Johnson and #5-Kyle Busch in their 1-2 finish Sunday at Dover International Speedway. Instead of soaking up bumps, as shocks normally are designed to do, Smith said the Hendrick cars' shocks were designed almost to work in reverse; every time they hit a bump, the shocks jacked up the car's rear end for about 15 seconds. Because cars encounter frequent bumps at Dover, the shocks apparently kept the Hendrick cars' tails elevated about an inch beyond what NASCAR rules allow for most of the race, directing more air to the cars' rear spoilers and creating extra aerodynamic "downforce" that helped the cars stick to the track. Cheating? Not exactly, Smith said. "It was clearly an ingenious engineering exercise, and they ought to be commended for their ingenuity," he said. Johnson's team declined comment through a spokesperson.
This explains why the two Hendrick cars failed an initial technical inspection by NASCAR officials Sunday night but passed the maximum-height requirement after they "settled," as NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston explained this week. Officials confiscated the Hendrick cars' shocks after the race, along with shocks from four other cars [#'s 2,12,6,16].
Smith expects NASCAR to prohibit all teams from using such shocks beginning with the Oct. 9 race at Kansas Speedway. The Hendrick shocks wouldn't help in this weekend's race because downforce isn't a major concern at Talladega and teams typically try to get their cars as low to the ground as possible without violating NASCAR's minimum height requirements. Smith figures that Busch, a rookie, has been testing the system all season. "That didn't show up for a championship (contender) the day before Dover," Smith said. "That required a lot of effort, a lot of testing." Penske Racing president Don Miller, meanwhile, wondered why the Hendrick cars apparently were given a second chance to pass officials' maximum-height measurement. "All I can say is, if it comes in as too high, it should be black and white," Miller said. Said Poston, via e-mail: "When the (No.) 48 went up on the platform, it was initially high, but in a matter of seconds the car settled and it made the required height. Absolutely no one made an adjustment to the car; however, as often is the case, an inspector was under the car but did not touch it. The 48 only made one trip through inspection."
 
Guess that is why the Engineers make the big bucks. Very ingenuous. Bravo.
 
According to John Darby the build of the shocks were something any shock specialist could do. Although what was done was not illegal it was "Outside the Spirit of the Rule" He also indicated that every car in the past that has failed post race inspection when dealing with height the car is rolled of and given the chance to clear three times. Tire pressures are checked as well as other measurements to give the team a fair chance to pass.
 
Even if Nascar issued a crate car to these guys, they would find a way to cheat. It is a given, that is what these guys are paid to do.
 
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