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I am almost to the point of saying that if Johnson wins his 5th title this year that I may not watch one race in 2011. I've been a fan since 1975. I've seen a lot of domination by different drivers during those years. But none has me more down that what JJ is doing now. It's sucking all the fun out of it because no one has stepped up to become a serious challenger. At least when Petty was dominating, he has Pearson and Allison to challenge him. When Earnhardt was dominating, he had Wallace and Gordon to challenge him. JJ has no one challenging him right now.
 
I have almost stopped watching this year. I have gotten pretty disgusted with the superteams. Johnson just happens to be an easy target because he has a stellar crew chief, virtually unlimited resources and virtually no personality. It would make it easier if, say Kevin Harvick was winning because at least he's good for a sound bite. Same with Smoke. Heck even Kasey Kahne has more personality. But it would be much nicer if a different group of people were winning. Just let Mark Martin win the championship and be done with it. :D:D

I, like you, have been watching NASCAR since the mid 70's and miss the rivalries.
 
I refuse to let Jimmie Johnson drive me away from this sport. I'll continue to watch up to, through, & long after his stranglehold on NASCAR's top position. Nothing lasts forever although that team sure looks to be defying those odds.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I refuse to let Jimmie Johnson drive me away from this sport. I'll continue to watch up to, through, & long after his stranglehold on NASCAR's top position. Nothing lasts forever although that team sure looks to be defying those odds.
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+1

I'm not going to be a quitter just because Johnson is a talented driver.
 
As good as Jimmy and Chad are, their luck can't last much longer and the tables can turn as quickly against them as they have in their favor. There are other reasons to give up on the sport than Jimmy Johnson' domination but they aren't of that much consequence. Yet.
 
I can't take it any more either. I don't know why Wonderboy didn't take 4 tires, it was a no-brainer.
Expect the same re-run at atlanta too.
MoMike
 
I think this conversation is a little ridiculous. I will watch racing no matter who wins. Team 48 just happens to be the best out there right now. I think it will be interesting to sit back and watch who steps up and takes the championship away from them.

There are lots of drivers who are looking really good right now. Take the RCR team for instance. Harvick is on a real hot streak. he hasn't won yet, but look what kind of finishes he is getting and the races he has ran. Burton and Bowyer are both hanging tough as well. What a turn around from a year ago. RCR will have a say in the championship fight this year.

In July we will be talking about Tony Stewarts hot streak, it happens every summer. I really don't think you can ever count smoke out of the picture.

Look at Johnson's Hendrick team mates...well minus Junior. Gordon and Martin both have had good runs this year. Gordons finishes didn't show what good runs he had in the first two races. Martin is rock solid. You can't count them out.

Plus, there are dark horses like Joey Logano, JPM and The Biff who have all looked promising.

Sure, Jimmie has won the last four, and he very well could do number 5 this year, but not without a fight!
 
We are just three races into the season and people are talking about giving up. I have been watching racing at the short tracks since the early sixties. I have been a NASCAR fan since the late sixties and that will not soon change.

I remember not too many years ago we had no TV coverage or limited coverage. That has changed dramatically. I remember when DJ was like three laps out ahead of everyone and won the race. That doesn't happen anymore.

For me, the racing has gotten better over the last few years than it has ever been.

Are you truly a race fan or just a driver fan?

Me, I just love racing...
 
I just can't give Chad K any credit due to his multi cheating habits.

I thought I was a true blue race fan, but lately I don't know. I haven't enjoyed watching racing since India passed. She loved racing and we watched together. That might be part of it.. Even with Mark doing great, racing just can't hold my interest. I use to lock the door and take the phone off the hook. LOL
I love super model dirt track racing. That does hold my interest. :beerbang:
 
Smoke14 said:
We are just three races into the season and people are talking about giving up. I have been watching racing at the short tracks since the early sixties. I have been a NASCAR fan since the late sixties and that will not soon change.

I remember not too many years ago we had no TV coverage or limited coverage. That has changed dramatically. I remember when DJ was like three laps out ahead of everyone and won the race. That doesn't happen anymore.

For me, the racing has gotten better over the last few years than it has ever been.

Are you truly a race fan or just a driver fan?

Me, I just love racing...
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I'm a true race fan, which is why I voice my disappointment. It's not so much Jimmie, and I've never been a hard core fan of any one particular driver. But there's seriously something missing, and JJ is the epitome of all that's missing from Nascar. Rivalries (even if they're only percieved rivalries), bad feelings, lots of things are just missing for me.

Can't wait till real racing season starts.
 
VaDirt said:
I'm a true race fan, which is why I voice my disappointment. It's not so much Jimmie, and I've never been a hard core fan of any one particular driver. But there's seriously something missing, and JJ is the epitome of all that's missing from Nascar. Rivalries (even if they're only percieved rivalries), bad feelings, lots of things are just missing for me.

Can't wait till real racing season starts.
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Amen. :beerbang:
 
There was a time I could not handle Gordon, because he came in the same way, young and ****y and he stepped on Earnhardts toes and beat him and the rest of the field pretty handily. I agree with some of you in that Johnson is the Tiger of Racing. He has no competition. Even the man who discovered him, 4 time champ Jeff Gordon cannot tame him. Johnson dominating sucks, but hopefully it will pass soon!!!
 
GREAT AMERICAN RACE FAN said:
There was a time I could not handle Gordon, because he came in the same way, young and ****y and he stepped on Earnhardts toes and beat him and the rest of the field pretty handily. I agree with some of you in that Johnson is the Tiger of Racing. He has no competition. Even the man who discovered him, 4 time champ Jeff Gordon cannot tame him. Johnson dominating sucks, but hopefully it will pass soon!!!
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But that's what missing. With Gordon (and I couldn't stand him either), you had Earnhardt there as a rival (even if it was not truly a rivalry.) We're misisng tha now. Johnson's no young and brashm he's just young and boring. Noboy there as a foil. Maybe if Martin wasn't such a suck-up and groveller these days, maybe he could be the foil...but not so much. he just grovels and says how much fun he's having, blah blah blah.
 
One thing that does keep me a little interested about JJ, at least this is what I keep telling myself, is the fact we are watching history being made with this guy, and he is still in his prime.
 
carsntunes said:
I have almost stopped watching this year. I have gotten pretty disgusted with the superteams. Johnson just happens to be an easy target because he has a stellar crew chief, virtually unlimited resources and virtually no personality. It would make it easier if, say Kevin Harvick was winning because at least he's good for a sound bite. Same with Smoke. Heck even Kasey Kahne has more personality. But it would be much nicer if a different group of people were winning. Just let Mark Martin win the championship and be done with it. :D:D

I, like you, have been watching NASCAR since the mid 70's and miss the rivalries.
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And your saying Dale Earnhardt Sr. had a personality? Lets see he hated the press, didn't give autographs most of his career. What changed him and got him to be have more access to the fans and the press was his last wife.
 
What is missing? JJ just goes out there and wins. He can start the races and be crap, but they work on the car and he just continues to move along. If they miss, they don't stop. If he wrecks, they don't stop. He is just a juggernaut, plowing through the field with will. If only he had some personality. If only he was overly aggressive. If only... What is missing?

I won't stop watching this sport because of JJ, but I do know how many people feel about it. But just think, if only you were a fan of his. I don't think those people are feeling any pain about watching. Kind of reminds me of the old days when the King was winning. Most of us weren't able to watch very many of those races if any, but I know there were those fortunate few who were able to follow the sport and got tired of his winning ways.

Today's NASCAR is totally different than what many of us grew up with. Now we have only a few drivers who are from the south. Money is what drives the sport and the more money you have, the more likely you have of winning (I guess that has always been the same). And now if there is a cute woman who can sit in the driver's seat...well, you know where I'm going with that.

What's missing? With JJ just about everything that drew me to the sport, but I'm still here.
 
Honestly I don't care about driver's personality, I don't watch the interviews, and I don't really listen to the announcers (Close Captions doesn't really work), all I care about is what happens on the track, and I like what I see on the track. Johnson may win races, but he doesn't dominate them, he works his way up from the pack. Every week you wonder just how far up there he's going to get and whether or not he's going to get into a wreck.
 
Smoke14 said:
We are just three races into the season and people are talking about giving up. I have been watching racing at the short tracks since the early sixties. I have been a NASCAR fan since the late sixties and that will not soon change.

I remember not too many years ago we had no TV coverage or limited coverage. That has changed dramatically. I remember when DJ was like three laps out ahead of everyone and won the race. That doesn't happen anymore.

For me, the racing has gotten better over the last few years than it has ever been.

Are you truly a race fan or just a driver fan?

Me, I just love racing...
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I'm with you I too have been a race fan since 1965 when i went to my first race at Stafford Speedway in Conn. I grew up watching Pearson, Petty, Yarborough, Allison on Wide World of Sports on saturday afternoons. We would get small bits and pieces of the races to wet our appetites Back then it was all about hanging out down at my fathers' friends garage where all the whos who of Northeast modified racing would be there tuning there cars on his dyno. Then we got ESPN, bam Nascar some of those Northeast guys made it bigtime like Bodine, Shepard, Bouchard, Spencer the list goes on. I think racing has evolved, it has changed mostly for the better. Hell I can remember back in the 70s Pearson or Petty "stinking out the joint" and being up by 3 or 4 laps and the battle was for 2nd or 3rd. If that happened today people would be outraged. Johnson winning is cool, as much as really find him blasse', vanilla, boring whatever you want to label him, he is truly a very good driver and has the best crew chief in Nascar. The combination could take him past earnhardt and petty for all time championships. I cheer against him but i do respect what he is doing right now , you have to admit it is pretty awesome. It is a long season we have 33 more races and already people are giving up. Not true fans of Nascar or racing if you ask me. I can't wait to the spoiler makes its' return soon on the cars, the racing wll get better because of this. Hell we had the best plate race ever at Daytona this year, Nascar finally hit on a restictor plate aero combination that let the guys race not do the pack thing. Do not give up just because Johnson won a couple of races, there is a lot of season left and there are other guys that will be challenging him. Every year teams are FORCED to step up their game because this guy won another championship. That can only be good for Nascar, more good teams equals more good racing.;)
 
Here's a few of Jimmie Johnson's stats since running full-time in 2002.

Wins = 49 - Only 24 more wins than second place Tony Stewart @ 25 wins
Podium finishes = 96 - Only 24 more than second place Jeff Gordon @ 72
Top 5's = 119 - Only 2 more than second place Jeff Gordon
Top 10's = 182 - Only 10 more than second place Jeff Gordon @ 172
Laps = 83,731 - Only 149 more than second place Kevin Harvick @ 83,582
Laps Led = 9,800 - Only 1,858 more than second place Jeff Gordon @ 7,942
Lead Lap Finishes = 227 - Only 4 more than second place Jeff Gordon @ 223
Winning % = 16.84% - Second place Tony Stewart is @ 8.59%
Championships = 4

There are many more stats that he leads in and only a few that he doesn't. Granted, I only listed stats that he does lead in but to think this guy doesn't dominate racing is far from reality. We're watching what is probably the greatest teams in the history of this sport. While I can certainly appreciate that, I don't have to like it. Unless you're a fan of the driver dominating the sport or simply the sports history your more than likely on the side that is tired of seeing this domination IMO.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Here's a few of Jimmie Johnson's stats since running full-time in 2002.

Wins = 49 - Only 24 more wins than second place Tony Stewart @ 25 wins
Podium finishes = 96 - Only 24 more than second place Jeff Gordon @ 72
Top 5's = 119 - Only 2 more than second place Jeff Gordon
Top 10's = 182 - Only 10 more than second place Jeff Gordon @ 172
Laps = 83,731 - Only 149 more than second place Kevin Harvick @ 83,582
Laps Led = 9,800 - Only 1,858 more than second place Jeff Gordon @ 7,942
Lead Lap Finishes = 227 - Only 4 more than second place Jeff Gordon @ 223
Winning % = 16.84% - Second place Tony Stewart is @ 8.59%
Championships = 4

There are many more stats that he leads in and only a few that he doesn't. Granted, I only listed stats that he does lead in but to think this guy doesn't dominate racing is far from reality. We're watching what is probably the greatest teams in the history of this sport. While I can certainly appreciate that, I don't have to like it. Unless you're a fan of the driver dominating the sport or simply the sports history your more than likely on the side that is tired of seeing this domination IMO.
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Maybe tired of it but i'm not going to losse my interest in racing because of it. Makes me want to watch more so i can see some one beat him!
 
I never said anything about losing interest in it. I hated hearing/seeing/reading about Petty wining all of the time but I continued on with the sport. Then Earnhardt took over the domination of the sport. I didn't mind that though as he was my driver. Then it was Jeff Gordon. I hated to see him win with a passion. Those are the three that stand out to me more than others in the sport that had long running domination. So now it's Johnson. This to shall pass. :beerbang:
 
Wasn't Kyle Busch going to be the one to break the stranglehold? :sarcasm:
 
In spite ofJJ ,the racing is definitely better than ever.Gone are the days when Pearson and Petty stunk up the show and won every week.And the days when Sr. and DW stunk up the joint and won every week.And I remember Bill Elliott lapping the field on a couple occassions.I also booed Gordon when noone else could win.But I don't remember three and four wide racing for the finish with thirty cars still on the lead lap.I honestly think the racing is closer than ever before and even when Jimmy wins,he has to fight for it... like last week.He came from a long way back,and just missed going a lap down.Another ten laps and Harvick would have had him.Ten laps earlier it was Gordons.Thats racin.
 
Poor Cale. His record of three straight titles was the mark that Johnson had to break but nobody seems to remember.
 
PettyBlue said:
Poor Cale. His record of three straight titles was the mark that Johnson had to break but nobody seems to remember.
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True. I honestly think that JJ will win 7 championships before he quits. Hell he may even win 8.
 
Remember some of the perks that they got back then like the champions #1 pit stall.That alone won a couple of races.Now Jimmy is winning without it.Incredible.
 
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