Tony Stewart accuses NASCAR of "playing God"

AHH, the infamous "Jaques Debris" conspiracy raises it's ugly head again.
 
Stewart said the debris cautions were the reason he didn't address the media after the Phoenix race.
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The 35-year-old led a race-high 132 laps but finished second after falling behind winner Jeff Gordon when he pitted during the final yellow, which came for a three-car crash involving Dave Blaney, Kenny Wallace and J.J. Yeley.
"That was only the second legitimate caution we had all day," Stewart said.
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Dude you lost the race after the last caution which even you admit was justified. Take you thumb out of your mouth, grow a pair and go race with Jeff, Jimmie, Lil'E, Kurt and the rest. They're not going to pull over for you or anyone else...
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Didn't a mysterious debris caution at Homestead secure Tony his first championship by giving his lap back ?? Again, Tony reminds everyone that Nascar should cater only to him.
 
However, he does have a good point about the mysterious "debris" cautions.

If NASCAR spotters can see it, why can't TV cameras find it. And if it is a hazard, why don't we see the truck out on the track and the stuff being picked up.

Personally, I'm a bit tired of "Jaques Debris" and his brother "Pierre".
 
That is a simple answer TRL, we're too busy watching another freaking Vonage commercial.
Some debris cautions may be questionable. And, I've questioned a few in the past but I don't think it's fair to assume most of them are fakes.

Guy in Production TruckHey, NASCAR guys we're falling behind on commericals. We've shown 4 minutes of actual by God racing, what do you say?
NASCAR GuysWait a minute is that hot dog wrapper on the grass in the backstretch starting to get a little close to the apron. We better throw a caution to make sure no one gets hurt.
Announcer Guys in the BoothAnd, there's the yellow flag for a debris caution. We'll be right back after these messages from our sponsors.
<<3 minutes of inane commercials>>
Guy in Production TruckWe could stand to run a couple more commercials.
NASCAR GuysRoll out the blowers and other stuff.
Announcer Guys in the BoothWell the blowers are out on the track trying to make sure all of the debris is blown off the track. We'll be right back for the green flag right after this word.
<<3 more minutes of inane commercials>>
Guy in Production TruckHow far do you think we can push this before we start to lose viewers and affect ad revenue.
NASCAR GuysOur viewers seldom change channels. We have the best Announcers who know how to keep them hooked.
Announcer Guys in the Booth all excitedAnd there they go into turn 3. That was the most action we've seen all race on the restart. Did you see the move X put on. I didn't know you could get a car to do that. If we have time we'll have to show the fans at home what they missed. Right after this word from our sponsors.
<<3 more minutes of inane commercials>>

Tell me I'm wrong...
 
I wonder when telling the truth became "crying"

Many of us remember when you could count all the debris cautions in a season on one hand . Between the lucky dog and phony cautions they really need to rewrite the record book to say modern era and manipulated era.
 
barelypure said:
Dude you lost the race after the last caution which even you admit was justified. Take you thumb out of your mouth, grow a pair and go race with Jeff, Jimmie, Lil'E, Kurt and the rest. They're not going to pull over for you or anyone else...
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BP that baby is too pretty to have that garb on.

I bet if Tony hit a piece of the debris and cut a tire he would whine because they didn't throw the caution?
 
I believe that Tony has grown a pair, now what will NASCAR do to retaliate (sp) against Tony? Maybe SPEEDING ON PIT ROAD?
 
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Tony Stewart is legitimate in his complaint. NASCAR has taken the sport to a entirely different level with the "lucky dog", and numerous cautions for debris. There is no question too often a caution has been thrown at convenient times in an effort to make a more exciting finish.

Long time race fans are getting more sick of this sport with each race designed to give the newbies and Hollywood set their thrill for a Sunday afternoon with the numerous well-timed cautions for debris.

NASCAR is interesting in the structure of rules at times. Example being throwing the caution when it was obvious Robbie Gordon threw padding out the window, and then fining him ?? Who fines NASCAR and who is responsible when they throw an ersatz caution ???
Makes me wonder what is worse, RGordon throwing padding or NASCAR throwing a caution for phantom debris.

Whether this is to give more time for commercials or close the field at the end of a "run-a-way" race, it sucks !!!!! And Tony is right !!!

Races might not be as close at the end as they have been recently due to the oftimes "mysterious debris caution", but the integrity of the sport might restore some semblance of integrity.

Right now, Tony, Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Jhnson have called it to question and should continue to pursure it. There is more at stake here than another championship. The heart and soul of NASSCAR as a legitimate sport is on the line.

One can only hope Brian France and Company get the message there is more on the line than closing the field, making commercial air time available or attempting to influence the out come of a race with a questionable or unnecessary caution flag. :bounce:
 
BP that was hilarious. Thanks for the giggles.

Now back on topic.

Didn't the caution that he is talking about came out prior to the "real" one came out like with 100 or so laps to go? How could that possibly screwed Tony's chances?

Stewart was particularly displeased with a debris yellow that occurred as he was catching Kevin Harvick for the lead because "I was coming so fast, it was inevitable I was going to get around those guys, so NASCAR throws a debris caution ... I thought racing was about being better than the other guys."

Plus didn't he passed Jeff Gordon then got the favor returned?

I dont know about you but if Tony's car was the fastest of all, i think its safe to assume he would had dusted Jeff and the whole field? Guess not. Grow a pair Tony.
 
Ok, so where's the hard hitting journalism/detective work to find the flag box official and confess that he's thrown a yellow only because NASCAR told them to do it.

Surely ONE of those guys/gals would have issues with doing something without at least some justification, or at least one could be 'paid the right amount' to confess. THAT story would sell!

But we don't have any hard core proof...just a bunch of "well I didn't see anything..." .

But still, I would like to see them show a shot of every piece of debris. Even if it's a candy wrapper from a piece of peppermint! Have them say "Debris in turn 3, high side."

Of course sometimes it will be something harmless... but sometimes not (I'm guessing just about anything can cut a tire at 190)

but show it and then WE can stop worrying about it! It can't take but 3 seconds of airtime!


BTW, Kudos to Tony for calling the idiots who threw stuff idiots...
 
"I was coming so fast, it was inevitable I was going to get around those guys, so NASCAR throws a debris caution ... I thought racing was about being better than the other guys."



If he was catching them under green, it was inevitable he was going to catch them under caution?
 
barelypure said:
That is a simple answer TRL, we're too busy watching another freaking Vonage commercial.
Some debris cautions may be questionable. And, I've questioned a few in the past but I don't think it's fair to assume most of them are fakes.

Guy in Production TruckHey, NASCAR guys we're falling behind on commericals. We've shown 4 minutes of actual by God racing, what do you say?
NASCAR GuysWait a minute is that hot dog wrapper on the grass in the backstretch starting to get a little close to the apron. We better throw a caution to make sure no one gets hurt.
Announcer Guys in the BoothAnd, there's the yellow flag for a debris caution. We'll be right back after these messages from our sponsors.
<<3 minutes of inane commercials>>
Guy in Production TruckWe could stand to run a couple more commercials.
NASCAR GuysRoll out the blowers and other stuff.
Announcer Guys in the BoothWell the blowers are out on the track trying to make sure all of the debris is blown off the track. We'll be right back for the green flag right after this word.
<<3 more minutes of inane commercials>>
Guy in Production TruckHow far do you think we can push this before we start to lose viewers and affect ad revenue.
NASCAR GuysOur viewers seldom change channels. We have the best Announcers who know how to keep them hooked.
Announcer Guys in the Booth all excitedAnd there they go into turn 3. That was the most action we've seen all race on the restart. Did you see the move X put on. I didn't know you could get a car to do that. If we have time we'll have to show the fans at home what they missed. Right after this word from our sponsors.
<<3 more minutes of inane commercials>>

Tell me I'm wrong...
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ROTFLMFAO!!!
 
I guess it's hard to please the drivers and the fans at the same time. Tony has a point, but he also knows that nothing will be done, so it's a catch 22 sort of thing. We have a problem here on the local level that two of the top drivers are trying to change, but just like back when Taladega first opened, and the drivers all wanted to boycott the race, it went ahead without them and they capitulated. The local boys also capitulated and things are just as they were. Tony can continue to bitch, but nothing will change and he just might think about retiring much earlier than planned. And, if he does hang up his helmet, there are many others who would give their eye teeth to have that seat. After a few races, they too might bitch about something. Some things never change.
 
They showed the piece of debris on NASCAR Now today. I believe they showed the correct piece. It was a piece of tire debris on the outside of one of the turns almost in the marbles where nobody would be running.
I believe Tony has a legitimate argument. There have been many times lately when Johnson was close to going a lap down or the lucky dog and one of the Hendrick debris cautions comes out.
Watch NASCAR Now when it re-airs tonight. He was VERY close to putting Jimmie and JPM a lap down at Phoenix when an unwarranted caution flew.
Especially when it's toward the end of the race NASCAR needs to let these guys race, just like Tony said.
 
Maybe to show Tony, the other drivers and yeah especially the fans NASCAR should decide to not throw a debris caution ever 1 race. Car wrecks and totally comes apart on the track, screw'em. Just let it all accumulate. Heck leave the mangled cars out there. Make it a slalom race where you have to dodge the carcasses. Drive around or over the debris, your choice. NASCAR is in a no win situation. It would make for some funny racing if nothing else.

And, no I'm not serious. I'm just trying to point out that sometimes a debris caution may be justified even if the TV guys don't show us the debris.
 
barelypure said:
And, no I'm not serious. I'm just trying to point out that sometimes a debris caution may be justified even if the TV guys don't show us the debris.
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What ?

How would baseball fans react to not showing that third strike or football fans not be shown that face mask call ? on a fourth and short yardage ?

Why should NASCAR fans demand any less ?
 
After reading the various posts in support and opposition to Tony Stewart's comments, I am more convinced Tony is right voicing his opinion about NASCAR being unfair in use of the caution flag and possibility of their compromising the integrity of NASCAR racing as a sport.

Too often, since the rush of high dollars sponsorships and big bucks television contracts and influx of recent fans, there are incidents where the caution flag has come at a "comvenient" time and more often than not, when it closes the field, tightenss the race and at times, changes an outcome, or seems to prolong air time for commercials.

A loud YES,...... NASCAR should show the debris causing a caution. Perhaps once they do this, it might end the "conspiracy theories" voiced by Tony Stewart (and fans like myself ) over the legitimacy of caution flags. They use instant replay in many major stick and ball sports today, absolving recurring accusations of unfair or improper judgements. No reason NASCAR, in an effort to preserve their integrity, could not do the same, at the time the incident takes place.

Charges leveled by Tony Stewart are based on the integrity of the sport, and Stewart has put NASCAR in a position of defending their use of the caution flag for purposes other than safety.

As of this morning, answers provided by NASCAR come up short to the charges leveled by Stewart.

Congratulations Tony Stewart, you might be a piain in the a$$ at times, but you are willing to speak your mind and willing to stand toe to toe with the sanctioning body, if you feel justified in the cause.
 
Whizzer said:
After reading the various posts in support and opposition to Tony Stewart's comments, I am more convinced Tony is right voicing his opinion about NASCAR being unfair in use of the caution flag and possibility of their compromising the integrity of NASCAR racing as a sport.

Too often, since the rush of high dollars sponsorships and big bucks television contracts and influx of recent fans, there are incidents where the caution flag has come at a "comvenient" time and more often than not, when it closes the field, tightenss the race and at times, changes an outcome, or seems to prolong air time for commercials.

A loud YES,...... NASCAR should show the debris causing a caution. Perhaps once they do this, it might end the "conspiracy theories" voiced by Tony Stewart (and fans like myself ) over the legitimacy of caution flags. They use instant replay in many major stick and ball sports today, absolving recurring accusations of unfair or improper judgements. No reason NASCAR, in an effort to preserve their integrity, could not do the same, at the time the incident takes place.

Charges leveled by Tony Stewart are based on the integrity of the sport, and Stewart has put NASCAR in a position of defending their use of the caution flag for purposes other than safety.

As of this morning, answers provided by NASCAR come up short to the charges leveled by Stewart.

Congratulations Tony Stewart, you might be a piain in the a$$ at times, but you are willing to speak your mind and willing to stand toe to toe with the sanctioning body, if you feel justified in the cause.
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I tend to agree. let them race for the win except for justified cautions.
 
Well it can't be too hard for the camera men to follow the dang truck on the track and see what the heck they pick up.... If thoes cameras can't find it, How the heck can NASCAR find it.
 
Tony Stewart's right.

At Dover, just when Dale Earnhardt, Jr. was put a lap down, a caution came out for debris in Turn 4. Junior got his lap back, and nobody saw the debris. I watched as I was there at Turn 4, the debris was in the grassy area well off the racing surface. :rolleyes:

This is happening too much, even FOX seems to have caught on with their "If we see it, we'll show it to you" deal. Half the time, it's not shown.

I remember vividly in one race, the caution was thrown for debris, and they couldn't find the debris.

And yet just about every time, they help the same drivers: Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Kyle Busch, and occassionally, Dale Jr.
 
Bucky Badger said:
Well it can't be too hard for the camera men to follow the dang truck on the track and see what the heck they pick up.... If thoes cameras can't find it, How the heck can NASCAR find it.
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Because that invisible piece of 2mm shrapnel is too hard to find on FOX HD.
 
NASCAR responds to Stewarts comments: NASCAR called Tony Stewart's comments "very, very disappointing." "NASCAR has been running races since 1948, and we place the safety of the drivers at the top of the list," said spokesman Jim Hunter. "We have more people and more resources than ever officiating our races. The safety of the drivers is our first priority. It has always been that way and will continue to be that way. There are thousands of talented race drivers out there who would consider it an honor to compete in the NASCAR Nextel Cup Series."(Associated Press)
 
kat2220 said:
NASCAR responds to Stewarts comments: NASCAR called Tony Stewart's comments "very, very disappointing." "NASCAR has been running races since 1948, and we place the safety of the drivers at the top of the list," said spokesman Jim Hunter. "We have more people and more resources than ever officiating our races. The safety of the drivers is our first priority. It has always been that way and will continue to be that way. There are thousands of talented race drivers out there who would consider it an honor to compete in the NASCAR Nextel Cup Series."(Associated Press)
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So, how does a piece of debris in the grass in between 3 and 4 jeporadize the safety of NASCAR drivers? :idunno:
 
Bottom line this is a bunch of BS, Nascar does what they want when they want to. If it helps who they think is the worthy that day...so be it. I long for 1987, when every make was different , when you could tell what car was what. If there is a "debris" issue...... umm it has to be in the racing groove not 30 feet away. I'm at the point now where i feel that Cup is starting to become A CIRCUS....yesssssssss a joke. It is obvious to the experienced fan that Cup has become a travesty.
 
Well, as an old, but not as old as my friend Whizzer, NASCAR or better yet, auto racing fan, my opinion on this might surprise many of you. While I will agree totally on Stewart's accessment of the caution flags, as a fan, I like to see them as they gather the field back up and the excitement begins anew. Now granted, if my favored Kasey Kahne is leading with a six second lead, a caution for debris will be hard to take, but I'm realisitic and especially this year, Kasey leading a race is a rarity so in many cases, those debris cautions help the boy, rather than hinder his big lead. But seriously, I'm a fan of racing, and by that, I mean cars trying to pass each other, and the closer they are to each other, the better it is for my passion. I guess you can now say that I'm not a purist in the sport of auto racing in that I'm not so interested in seeing the best car win each and every time, but rather I want to see good close competition. When races go on and on without a caution, it only strings out the field and it's not unusual for the leader to be able to lap the field and stink up the race. Yeah, that used to happen quite often, but it'll be harder and harder for that to happen any more. If I were a car owner, or a driver, or a member of a team, yeah, I would certainly love to have the show as perfect as it can be, but let's face the facts. Even with the debris cautions, those cars that are the best, will still be at the front. Those also rans, such as my beloved Kahne this season, will only feel good to not being lapped, or with luck, the lucky dog. Unless your favorite is leading with a big lead, you're going to be like me and hope for a caution so your fav has a chance to close the ranks and have that possibility to win.

Maybe instead of debris cautions, they could just throw a caution every 50 laps, or to make things really exciting, throw one with ten laps to go and if necessary, throw one so there will be that wonderful GWC. Whether or not you like that, this is when the racing is the most exciting. It's all or nothing for most of the guys.
 
heck buckaroo, then why not invert the field with 30 or 50 laps to go. :D
 
buckaroo said:
Well, as an old, but not as old as my friend Whizzer, NASCAR or better yet, auto racing fan, my opinion on this might surprise many of you. While I will agree totally on Stewart's accessment of the caution flags, as a fan, I like to see them as they gather the field back up and the excitement begins anew. Now granted, if my favored Kasey Kahne is leading with a six second lead, a caution for debris will be hard to take, but I'm realisitic and especially this year, Kasey leading a race is a rarity so in many cases, those debris cautions help the boy, rather than hinder his big lead. But seriously, I'm a fan of racing, and by that, I mean cars trying to pass each other, and the closer they are to each other, the better it is for my passion. I guess you can now say that I'm not a purist in the sport of auto racing in that I'm not so interested in seeing the best car win each and every time, but rather I want to see good close competition. When races go on and on without a caution, it only strings out the field and it's not unusual for the leader to be able to lap the field and stink up the race. Yeah, that used to happen quite often, but it'll be harder and harder for that to happen any more. If I were a car owner, or a driver, or a member of a team, yeah, I would certainly love to have the show as perfect as it can be, but let's face the facts. Even with the debris cautions, those cars that are the best, will still be at the front. Those also rans, such as my beloved Kahne this season, will only feel good to not being lapped, or with luck, the lucky dog. Unless your favorite is leading with a big lead, you're going to be like me and hope for a caution so your fav has a chance to close the ranks and have that possibility to win.

Maybe instead of debris cautions, they could just throw a caution every 50 laps, or to make things really exciting, throw one with ten laps to go and if necessary, throw one so there will be that wonderful GWC. Whether or not you like that, this is when the racing is the most exciting. It's all or nothing for most of the guys.
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Ok why don't we throw a caution every time we vote then, might as well say oops not the way we want it to end.......time out!
 
kat2220 said:
NASCAR responds to Stewarts comments: NASCAR called Tony Stewart's comments "very, very disappointing." "NASCAR has been running races since 1948, and we place the safety of the drivers at the top of the list," said spokesman Jim Hunter. "We have more people and more resources than ever officiating our races. The safety of the drivers is our first priority. It has always been that way and will continue to be that way. There are thousands of talented race drivers out there who would consider it an honor to compete in the NASCAR Nextel Cup Series."(Associated Press)
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Thank you for posting this KAT2220.

NASCAR once again offered a b.s. response.

True, there are more officials at a NASCAR race than in the past and true the safety of the drivers is a prime consideration of NASCAR at races and true, there are thousands of NASCAR driver "wannabes", but none of these responses answers the accusations leveled by Tony Stewart. When it comes to cautions thrown for debris, what is the criteria and mostly, where is the debris ??? This is a matter of NASCAR's integrity. Now it is time for NASCAR to actually show what debris and where located, caused a caution.

Doing so, rather than offering b.s. responses several days after the accusation, would go a lot further in instilling integrity and legitimization of the sport of auto racing and NASCAR.
 
Simple solution NASCAR....

Show the debris.

The fans and the drivers will thank you.

The worst that can happen is people say you shouldn't have thrown a caution for 'that' rather than WHY did that caution get thrown.
 
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