Tony's way or Carl's way?

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Some of my NASCAR buddies have been debating this since last night, so I thought I'd post it to the board here.

Would you rather see a driver win the championship Tony's way, winning 5 of 10 Chase races, or Carl's way, being very consistent but only winning 1 race all season?
 
Tonys way. It would have been rediculous for Tony to win half the chase races and not win the title.
 
These are how the rules are. Gotta play by them even if they suck.

They still need to drop the chase and award more points for winning and finishing higher in the race.
 
FenderBumper said:
Tonys way. It would have been rediculous for Tony to win half the chase races and not win the title.
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Yea but at the same time Carl put up better numbers throughout the entire season. He may have won only one race for the season, but he had 19 top 5s, 26 top tens and an average finish of 9.3

Compare that to Stewart who had 5 wins, but 9 top 5s, and 19 top 10s, with an average finish of 12.0.

Carl Edwards put up stronger numbers throughout the season while Stewart kick it into gear in the last 10 races.
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
These are how the rules are. Gotta play by them even if they suck.

They still need to drop the chase and award more points for winning and finishing higher in the race.
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that pretty much sums up my thoughts. hate the chase and always will. but no longer interested in debating the woulda won under the old system...

it is was it is and it ain't gonna change. and the race teams are playing by the current rules.
 
You guys need to stop looking at it as a 36 race season. It is a 26 race season and then a 10 race playoff. Just like other sports, only difference is the whole field stays for the 10 race playoffs even though they are not involved.

On that note nobody cared that the Packers didn't win their division last year. They won enough to get into the playoffs and then beat everyone to the World Championship. That is what Tony did. Who is to say if there wasn't a chase he wouldn't have raced the season differently anyways.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Yea but at the same time Carl put up better numbers throughout the entire season. He may have won only one race for the season, but he had 19 top 5s, 26 top tens and an average finish of 9.3

Compare that to Stewart who had 5 wins, but 9 top 5s, and 19 top 10s, with an average finish of 12.0.

Carl Edwards put up stronger numbers throughout the season while Stewart kick it into gear in the last 10 races.
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None of that matters. We have the chase, and that's that. Carl ran the chase counting points from race #1. Tony ran the chase getting every win he could to catch up, and he did. If Tony lost, he could smile and say he gave it his best shot. Carl is left looking at all the races he gave up points trying to be only as good as he THOUGHT he needed to be, rather than being the best he could be.

Tony and Grubb played this whole thing masterfully, and it was as exciting as hell.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Yea but at the same time Carl put up better numbers throughout the entire season. He may have won only one race for the season, but he had 19 top 5s, 26 top tens and an average finish of 9.3

Compare that to Stewart who had 5 wins, but 9 top 5s, and 19 top 10s, with an average finish of 12.0.

Carl Edwards put up stronger numbers throughout the season while Stewart kick it into gear in the last 10 races.
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If Carl wanted this championship as badly as Stewart did then he would have won it.
 
When I posed the question, I wasn't thinking of the old system. Had Carl finished ahead of Tony yesterday and neither won, Carl would have won the championship with only 1 win on the year and no wins in the Chase. Compare that to what Tony did in actually winning it.
 
I think that either way is fine, the championship is the championship no matter how you get it!

On a side note, I find it quite entertaining how SO MANY people whined and complain about Johnson working the chase system the way he did for 5 years. Yet, Tony does it one time and he is some kind of hero....
 
Gordon_Fan24 said:
I think that either way is fine, the championship is the championship no matter how you get it!

On a side note, I find it quite entertaining how SO MANY people whined and complain about Johnson working the chase system the way he did for 5 years. Yet, Tony does it one time and he is some kind of hero....
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I think Tony is just more liked than JJ lol
 
Gordon_Fan24 said:
I think that either way is fine, the championship is the championship no matter how you get it!

On a side note, I find it quite entertaining how SO MANY people whined and complain about Johnson working the chase system the way he did for 5 years. Yet, Tony does it one time and he is some kind of hero....
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I think it's more because Jimmie won for 5 years in a row. If Tony wins for 5 years in a row there will be people who will start to get sick of him. Everyone gets sick of a consistent winner unless your a fan of that winner.
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
I think it's more because Jimmie won for 5 years in a row. If Tony wins for 5 years in a row there will be people who will start to get sick of him. Everyone gets sick of a consistent winner unless your a fan of that winner.
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Yeah, I agree with that too
 
Gordon_Fan24 said:
Yeah, I agree with that too
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I think probably the biggest difference between this year and some of the Jimmie years was the way he won it. A beast performance not only in the chase, but in the final race as well.

Now in 2007, when JJ won 10 races (including 4 in the chase) there was probably no doubt in anyone's mind that the right man won.

But, I will say that among all of JJ's wins, none were as impressive as Tony's win this week.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Yea but at the same time Carl put up better numbers throughout the entire season. He may have won only one race for the season, but he had 19 top 5s, 26 top tens and an average finish of 9.3

Compare that to Stewart who had 5 wins, but 9 top 5s, and 19 top 10s, with an average finish of 12.0.

Carl Edwards put up stronger numbers throughout the season while Stewart kick it into gear in the last 10 races.
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I thought it was a perfect finish of the season. Came down to the last race winner takes all. If Carl had won last night he would of had the championship.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I'll go with Tony's way any day of the week. Balls to the wall, get it anyway you can. :beerbang:
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Agreed! I never liked any system that consistancy paid off. Earnhardt, Labonte and Matt Kenseth to name a few won Championships that way. Reward the race winner more points.
I am so happy Tony got hot and won it the way he did. I think the first 2 races won were upsets cause of fuel mileage, but that seemed to fuel the fire in Tony and it showed in a big way. The way the won the race was fantastic. A little stratagy came into play but it took kahonies to do what they did to go for it all. Kudos to Tony and team, you are a great champions!!!:beerbang::beerbang:
 
Obviously winning it Tony's way is more entertaining.


As for which method will win more titles, I think it's splitting hairs or a crap shoot, it has been done both ways too.


Points were designed as way to get people signed off on running every race, and maintaining car counts. It serves Nascar well from the cup to the local short tracks.


If a driver only competed in 90 percent of the races, and won more than than half of the events and the championship, they will devise a new system to prevent a repeat.


Edwards stroked at Talladega, and slamming him in a post is easy. But if he had won it, folks would be snarking about Tony spinning at Charlotte and losing points on the last pit stop.
In spite of his racing to win approach.

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Tony's way all the way. Carl admitted a week or so ago to running conservative to avoid a DNF. That may be a decently smart way to ensure you don't DNF but he must of realized how it sounded (like a guy not trying to actually WIN) because later in that same interview he said "Let me clarify, I was trying for wins every race." Sure you were Carl... sure you were.
 
Tony won the race fair and square!

So .... Tony's way for sure!
 
Very reason I don't like the chase

Not taking anything away from Tony.

It's Nascars game so you have to play it.
He did what he needed.
 
NASCAR needs to honor and truely reward the regular season champ. A big trophy, a ring, some cash and extra chase bonus points would make the regular season mean something.
 
FenderBumper said:
NASCAR needs to honor and truely reward the regular season champ. A big trophy, a ring, some cash and extra chase bonus points would make the regular season mean something.
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I'd have to agree with this. I mean the NFL does it for the NFC and AFC champs. Why can't NASCAR do it for the points leader at the end of the regular season?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
How about first pit selection for the next 10 races?
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I've suggested that, but nobody seems to see it as fair. I thought it would make a perfect counter to the home field advantage other sports award.

SpeedPagan said:
I'd have to agree with this. I mean the NFL does it for the NFC and AFC champs. Why can't NASCAR do it for the points leader at the end of the regular season?
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Seems like a no-brainer to me. My feeling is that NASCAR is worried about delegitimizing the chase champ by honoring a different driver who won a 26 race championship. They think that by ignoring the guy, people wont notice what just happened.

I think people would accept the Chase champ more readily if the regular season champ got a choice between his wins bonus OR 10 regular season champ bonus points. Give him the first pit choice UNTIL he loses the points lead. If he squanders these advantages and loses, people will see the champ as the real deal.
 
SpeedPagan said:
I'd have to agree with this. I mean the NFL does it for the NFC and AFC champs. Why can't NASCAR do it for the points leader at the end of the regular season?
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I think home field advantage would be a better analogy. I think they need an extra points bonus for leading the first 26 races. Like no matter what you will start the chase as the points leader even if you don't have as many wins as the guy in 5th.
 
robbybee said:
Harvick was a victim of this in 2010.
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So how come everyone was saying Harvick was a victim in 2010, but now everyone is saying that Stewart way of winning was the way to go? :confused:

I mean I would like to believe that it was just more than who won the Championship in 2010, but I could be wrong.
 
SpeedPagan said:
So how come everyone was saying Harvick was a victim in 2010, but now everyone is saying that Stewart way of winning was the way to go? :confused:

I mean I would like to believe that it was just more than who won the Championship in 2010, but I could be wrong.
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Jimmy won the championship fair and square last year IMHO. If Harvick wanted that bad then he should have took it the same way Stewart did this year.
 
SpeedPagan said:
So how come everyone was saying Harvick was a victim in 2010, but now everyone is saying that Stewart way of winning was the way to go? :confused:

I mean I would like to believe that it was just more than who won the Championship in 2010, but I could be wrong.
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Nope, that is pretty much all it is. While I agree with the comments about my post earlier, I still say there is a double standard at work here! lol
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Jimmy won the championship fair and square last year IMHO. If Harvick wanted that bad then he should have took it the same way Stewart did this year.
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Oh, I agree! I was just saying that Happy had the points lead after 26 races but didn't for the start of race 27. Jimmie-Chad certainly did deserve the title in 2010. No doubt!
 
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