Toyota racing in nextel cup

Lappy, you need to learn from these wise gentlemen for what they have said is true. However, please gentlemen, excuse me for being so blunt and to say that I don't care if the term Jap hurts your feelings or if you are offended. I probably wouldn't have even used the term, but since it's now part of the PC crowd, I'll break that code and call people what I want. I don't hear many of you PC crowd get all in a huff when you hear someone call a driver a jerk, or an idiot, or what ever. There are even pejoratives thrown around here all the time towards different drivers, but low and behold, I guess they don't fit in the PC class. Let's get something off our chests and even if you don't like to be offended, or for anyone else to be offended, it ain't gonna happen. If you don't like it, don't respond and move on. That is how you really combat something you don't like, and I expect you guys to not respond to this post. :)

PS.... This PC crap just pisses me off, and I'm offended by it. How do you deal with that?
 
buckaroo said:
I don't hear many of you PC crowd get all in a huff when you hear someone call a driver a jerk, or an idiot, or what ever. If you don't like it, don't respond and move on. That is how you really combat something you don't like, and I expect you guys to not respond to this post. :)

PS.... This PC crap just pisses me off, and I'm offended by it. How do you deal with that?
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Uh, was the PS really necessary? I thought the text made your point pretty well.
There is a difference between words like jap, ****** and spic and between words like jerk and idiot. The difference is that the first group of words point out a difference in background and when used this way, act negatively. These are not comments made because someone cut you off in traffic or got your order wrong at McDonald's...these are words used solely to negatively point out a difference in race or background.
Words like jerk and idiot are used in response to someone else's actions...actions that the speaker feels merit a temporary sub-class of existence for someone that has done something wrong to them. While these DO have negative meaning, they are the result of SOMETHING, even if said SOMETHING isn't that good of a reason.
Using a negative word like jap or spic shows that you feel someone is BELOW you in evolution (for those of you who believe in it) or in intelligence (for those of you who don't). The problem with using words like this is that the entire group of people hasn't done anything wrong to you to merit such negative accusations.
At the same time, if PC crap bothers you so much, why don't you follow your own advice and not mention it?
Keep in mind that when the Irish immigrants started showing up in the United States in the mid to late 1800's, they were commonly depicted as near cavemen, brutal, animal-like creature, unable to use rational thinking or common sense. I suppose you feel like this would be okay to do now, right? I mean, hell, if someone did it in the past, then it must be okay to do it still, right?
Wake up, its a new world out there, if a Japanese person called you a Stupid American, you'd probably get offended too, so don't act like the almighty unoffendable master here.
The point of this is that when you use an outdated, racially based, stereotypical term to place someone below you on the intelligence scale, you are essentially proving your true place on the same scale.
We Americans have never done anything wrong, ever in the history of the world, therefore, we are obviously the superior of all races, nations and religious beliefs...it is our place to remind everyone else of this by not bothering to worry about offending anyone. This sounds like a damn Klan meeting.
 
esorlxaw said:
Uh, was the PS really necessary? I thought the text made your point pretty well.
There is a difference between words like jap, ****** and spic and between words like jerk and idiot. The difference is that the first group of words point out a difference in background and when used this way, act negatively. These are not comments made because someone cut you off in traffic or got your order wrong at McDonald's...these are words used solely to negatively point out a difference in race or background.
Words like jerk and idiot are used in response to someone else's actions...actions that the speaker feels merit a temporary sub-class of existence for someone that has done something wrong to them. While these DO have negative meaning, they are the result of SOMETHING, even if said SOMETHING isn't that good of a reason.
Using a negative word like jap or spic shows that you feel someone is BELOW you in evolution (for those of you who believe in it) or in intelligence (for those of you who don't). The problem with using words like this is that the entire group of people hasn't done anything wrong to you to merit such negative accusations.
At the same time, if PC crap bothers you so much, why don't you follow your own advice and not mention it?
Keep in mind that when the Irish immigrants started showing up in the United States in the mid to late 1800's, they were commonly depicted as near cavemen, brutal, animal-like creature, unable to use rational thinking or common sense. I suppose you feel like this would be okay to do now, right? I mean, hell, if someone did it in the past, then it must be okay to do it still, right?
Wake up, its a new world out there, if a Japanese person called you a Stupid American, you'd probably get offended too, so don't act like the almighty unoffendable master here.
The point of this is that when you use an outdated, racially based, stereotypical term to place someone below you on the intelligence scale, you are essentially proving your true place on the same scale.
We Americans have never done anything wrong, ever in the history of the world, therefore, we are obviously the superior of all races, nations and religious beliefs...it is our place to remind everyone else of this by not bothering to worry about offending anyone. This sounds like a damn Klan meeting.
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Perhaps by saying these words Buckaroo was simply using the words that were familiar to him and did not have a mean or inconsiderate thought in his head? I know I use these and also the "N" word from time to time.. And believe me when I say I do not have a mean bone in my body!
I take his point to be that the listener (reader) should simply read and get on about life.. maybe responding to a point but not attempting to chastise the writer over his choice of words.. I agree with Buckaroo about the PC crap too many of us attempt to take waaaay to far.
Also if a Jap called me a stupid American I would prolly have to agree with him.
And by the way does the Klan not start their meetings reading from the bible and quote it directly as to their intent? How can that be bad?
Betsy
 
I call them Jap cars because that is where they are made Japan. I do not mean for it to be a smack in the face to a Japaness person, i just dont like Japaness cars. there are ya'll happy i added an nees on the end to Jap?
 
This is not about "political correctness".
It is about R-E-S-P-E-C-T !!!!!
Three cheers for Esorlxaw who described the situation quite succinctly.
 
Betsy said:
And by the way does the Klan not start their meetings reading from the bible and quote it directly as to their intent? How can that be bad?
Betsy
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Seriously? Are you defending the klan because they quote the bible in their meetings?
 
All i can say is Bull...! This thread is useless, all it proves is that many of you are offended by the fact that Japan makes superior automobiles. They will be a part of Nascar in 07 so get over it and get over all this PC crap, it is getting old.
 
:confused: Dear lord I went away for a few minutes and this thread certainly has gone in a different different direction. Are we still talking about Toyota?
 
Will Harvick Drive A Toyota?

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Unless car owner Richard Childress can sign him to a long-term extension, Kevin Harvick will be one of the top free agents for the 2007 season -- just in time for Toyota to make its NASCAR debut.

"They are going to make a run at a lot of drivers, and everyone is aware that Kevin's contract is up," Childress said. "I am sure they are going to make a run at him."

Harvick has been reluctant to negotiate with Childress, unsure of where the program is headed.

Once considered one of the elite teams in NASCAR, RCR has struggled of late and Harvick has failed to qualify for the Chase for the Nextel Cup championship the past two seasons. He's coming off a one-win season in which his crew chief was suspended twice for allegedly cheating on car setups.

Since his breakout season in 2001, when he won in just his third career Cup start, Harvick has never fully taken off. He's got just four career wins -- although one is the prestigious Brickyard 400 -- and has never finished higher than fifth in the final season standings.

So until he's sure that Childress can give him a team capable of winning a championship, Harvick doesn't want to commit to anything.

"We've kind of agreed to sit down in April and just kind of evaluate where things are," Harvick said. "I'm not going to rush into things and do things I don't want to do. I think right now we are in the same frame of mind about our goals, and our goals are to go out and get the season going out good and make the Chase.

"All the rest of it, the paper stuff, is something that's not high on the list right now."

But contracts are high on the list to Toyota, which announced Monday it will field Nextel Cup teams in 2007. The Japanese automaker will have at least three teams and anywhere from four to seven drivers, depending on sponsorship.

Bill Davis Racing is expected to field two drivers, and Michael Waltrip, who will drive for his own team, wants to field two cars.

Team Red Bull, a startup, was Toyota's announced third team and has revealed very few details about its operation. It's led to speculation that Toyota will recruit top drivers and hand-deliver them to Red Bull.

Harvick should be on the top of Toyota's list, and he apparently knows it.

"Our position right now is favorable," he smiled.

Someone is going to pay a lot of money to employ Harvick in 2007, whether it's Childress or another team owner. If Harvick stays at RCR he'll likely receive incentives from General Motors, which gives Childress factory support and will probably fight to prevent becoming the first manufacturer to lose top talent to Toyota.

Harvick already foresees Toyota upping the ante among the manufacturers.

"I think Toyota definitely is going to change the support of the manufacturer market," he said. "I think it's going to make it a lot more competitive and force manufacturers to do a lot more to keep its teams intact."

But Childress knows it will take more than a blank check to lure Harvick away.

"I don't know that it's all about money with Kevin Harvick -- if we can get our teams back to where he's competitive that's going to mean a lot to him," Childress said.

Aside from his unquestionable driving talent, Harvick's growing business could also be an interest to Toyota.

In just three years, Kevin Harvick Inc. has grown to an established operation with 65 employees, two Busch Series and a Truck Series team. It could be just the operation Toyota would like to support.

"I think there are a lot scenarios, but we just have to concentrate on what we are doing," Harvick said. "Right now, I don't have a whole lot of comment on that."
 
BobbyFord said:
Will we have to change the nick-name of the Daytona 500 to the "Great American/Japanese Race"?
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While you're at it. Throw in "Mexican", "German" and "Canadian" too.
Last time I checked, domestic cars weren't exclusively manufactured in the U.S.A.
 
Look guys, we've already changed the tone of this thread to something that should be in the podium, but to end my part of it here and now, what I'm saying is that I don't care who you are, a teacher, politician, preacher or next door neighbor, you can't tell me who to like, dislike, what I can or can't call a person or what my ideas have to be. For those of you who think that I'm probably some big wheel in the KKK, I don't have anything against the Japanese, negroes, Chinese, Mexicans or any other latin person, or any Catholic. Hell, one of my best friends is a black guy who hails from a family with a single mother all from New Jersey! My first marriage was in a Catholic church and I love to take vacations in Mexico. And, this Mick wouldn't care if any of you called me anything you want, but if you don't want to offend me, as you seem to not want to offend anyone, stop this crap and move on. One thing I dislike more than just about anything else is anyone who is an elitist, who feels they are smarter than someone else. And for the record, this Mick believes that most Japs are far more smarter than most of the people in this country, including those who are in accedemia.

Over and out! Bring it on Toyota or Nissan or Honda. Step aside GM, Ford and Dodge if you can't take the heat. C'mon Mercedez, Porche, Fararri or any other hot shot European carmaker, what we want to see is some great racing with cars with fenders. :beerbang:
 
My guy was (is) Rusty, last I checked he and Danica and the rest on the team were running 6th in the 24 Hrs. of Daytona. I don't get to holler for Rusty anymore in Cup, so I'm going to go with my next favorite old school guy this year, Mark Martin.
I don't care what the *!#$@! you're drivin', my guy is gonna whip the pants off of you anyway.
If it can possibly be more competitive than it was the last two years, bring it on. It ain't gonna stop me from pullin' for my guy.
My uncle fought at Midway and Saipan, he's (was) a mechanic, has been all his life. (Also raced against the likes of Fireball Roberts). He hates Jap cars, won't even work on one. He's got a gripe with the Japs, I don't. Times change.
Whatever anyone wants to bring to the table is O.K. with me.
If you can get around Mark Martin or Carl Edwards or Jeff Gordon or Biffle, Newman, Mayfield or whoever, you're doing some serious driving and you should be able to drive which ever brand you choose. (Or which ever pays the most).
 
buckaroo said:
you can't tell me who to like, dislike, what I can or can't call a person or what my ideas have to be.
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This latest exchange is a sharing of opinions on the use of an outdated ethnic term and why it "might" be interpreted as racial by some and responses were not an effort to tell someone what they can or cannot call another person but a logical observation on why the use of the racial terminology might be offensive.

Neither is it necessary for a person to be "elitist" or "academic" to be respectful to those of a different race, religion or creed.

Growing up, my father always taught me "treat a man with respect until he proves unworthy of your respect". This homily has served me well.

If this post is construed as trying to tell someone what they can or cannot call another person, the message has been lost.

It really is simple isn't it ??? It is all about, respect.
 
Whizzer, first of all I agree with your recent posts on this subject. Secondly, I would like to say that I think you are probably wasting your time explaining the subject. Thirdly, You can lead a mule to water but you can't make it drink.
 
Whizzer said:
This latest exchange is a sharing of opinions on the use of an outdated ethnic term and why it "might" be interpreted as racial by some and responses were not an effort to tell someone what they can or cannot call another person but a logical observation on why the use of the racial terminology might be offensive.

Neither is it necessary for a person to be "elitist" or "academic" to be respectful to those of a different race, religion or creed.

Growing up, my father always taught me "treat a man with respect until he proves unworthy of your respect". This homily has served me well.

If this post is construed as trying to tell someone what they can or cannot call another person, the message has been lost.

It really is simple isn't it ??? It is all about, respect.
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No it is not! It is about folks that care more about which fork to use on the pie than they worry about the worlds affairs! Language is here so we can KNOW what or who the speaker is speaking about.. If you do UNDERSTAND then the language has worked for both parties! The use of certain slang or words common to a certain sect or location... AND understood by both parties should be good to go.
Point is if you do not like someones use of words then do not reply! Go about your business and speak the words YOU like to eat your pie with..
Betsy ;)
 
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