Track Debates '09, Round 2

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Track debates have been a hot topic lately. Who should have a track, and who shouldn't, where do the fans congragate, and who has the best hot dog. Well maybe not that, but I think that's Martinsville.

I really do believe the the mid to late '90 boom of NASCAR got track builders attention as NASCAR decided to move into new sexy markets to attract more fans, and more importantly to gobble up more money. Their actions must have not been researched all to well, because now the schedule is infested with too many of what us fans call the "cookie cutter" tracks. The success and excitement of tracks like Charlotte and Texas laid the ground work for the new tracks design. The racing seemed to be pretty intense and fast on their layouts, and the dog leg front stretch lended itself to great views of the racetrack to the fans. Those factors led track designers to use the same basic shape to try to display the same great racing on their new venues. However I do believe those new tracks and their designs have failed.
Many fans including me have grown to be bored with that type of race track, and would love for some more diversity on the Cup curcuit. I am a big fan of the shortracks, but I think NASCAR has passed by that type of racing, wanting the bigger and better tracks at bigger markets.

This has led me to think of how great if more road courses were added to the circuit, how much better the racing season would be. I never would have said that 10 years ago, when I thought NASCAR should only go left and left and left again for 400 miles. But the lackluster racing that is displayed, and the waining intrest in some of the current tracks have changed my attitude about road course racing. There seems to be plenty of excitement and drama with the current Road course races. Also, many new markets can be reached while NASCAR can remove some of the lesser drawing races such as California and Atlanta. Just a opinion and dream of mine that I think would lead to better racing enjoyment for all old and new fans alike.

What do you think?
 
Track debates have been a hot topic lately. Who should have a track, and who shouldn't, where do the fans congragate, and who has the best hot dog. Well maybe not that, but I think that's Martinsville.

I really do believe the the mid to late '90 boom of NASCAR got track builders attention as NASCAR decided to move into new sexy markets to attract more fans, and more importantly to gobble up more money. Their actions must have not been researched all to well, because now the schedule is infested with too many of what us fans call the "cookie cutter" tracks. The success and excitement of tracks like Charlotte and Texas laid the ground work for the new tracks design. The racing seemed to be pretty intense and fast on their layouts, and the dog leg front stretch lended itself to great views of the racetrack to the fans. Those factors led track designers to use the same basic shape to try to display the same great racing on their new venues. However I do believe those new tracks and their designs have failed.
Many fans including me have grown to be bored with that type of race track, and would love for some more diversity on the Cup curcuit. I am a big fan of the shortracks, but I think NASCAR has passed by that type of racing, wanting the bigger and better tracks at bigger markets.

This has led me to think of how great if more road courses were added to the circuit, how much better the racing season would be. I never would have said that 10 years ago, when I thought NASCAR should only go left and left and left again for 400 miles. But the lackluster racing that is displayed, and the waining intrest in some of the current tracks have changed my attitude about road course racing. There seems to be plenty of excitement and drama with the current Road course races. Also, many new markets can be reached while NASCAR can remove some of the lesser drawing races such as California and Atlanta. Just a opinion and dream of mine that I think would lead to better racing enjoyment for all old and new fans alike.

What do you think?
Daytona, Charlotte, Bristol and Richmond are the only tracks that should have two dates. They need two more road courses (Portland, Miller MP and/or New Jersey), they need more short tracks (Iowa, Memphis, Mansfield), they need a dirt track or two (Eldora, Knoxville, Saluda, DuQuoin, or wishful thinking Potomac:growl:) and they should give Gateway and Kentucky a Cup race.

But, if Texas and other boring tracks are gonna continue to have 2 dates, I think Southern California, Michigan, Martinsville and Atlanta should be on the chopping block long before Pocono.

That said, I'd really like to see the Nationwide Series back at Hickory, Myrtle Beach, Rockingham, Langley and other short tracks... but I guess I'm going to have to continue to hold on to the dying USARacing Pro Cup Series for that. :(
 
I'll agree with the HOTDOGS at Martinsville. The only track I ever eat a hotdog.
 
Daytona, Charlotte, Bristol and Richmond are the only tracks that should have two dates. They need two more road courses (Portland, Miller MP and/or New Jersey), they need more short tracks (Iowa, Memphis, Mansfield), they need a dirt track or two (Eldora, Knoxville, Saluda, DuQuoin, or wishful thinking Potomac:growl:) and they should give Gateway and Kentucky a Cup race.

But, if Texas and other boring tracks are gonna continue to have 2 dates, I think Southern California, Michigan, Martinsville and Atlanta should be on the chopping block long before Pocono.

That said, I'd really like to see the Nationwide Series back at Hickory, Myrtle Beach, Rockingham, Langley and other short tracks... but I guess I'm going to have to continue to hold on to the dying USARacing Pro Cup Series for that. :(
Memphis, Mansfield, and Iowa are way too small capacity wise to have a Cup event. I wouldnt mind more short tracks though.

No reason for them to race on dirt.

Pocono is just as if not more boring than Texas, Fontana, Michigan, and Atlanta.
 
I don't think Atlanta is too boring, and Martinsville deserves and needs to continue on the circuit. Drop some dates at the previously mentioned tracks and add a couple of more established road courses to the mix. Also, a few more short tracks would also be great.
 
Memphis, Mansfield, and Iowa are way too small capacity wise to have a Cup event. I wouldnt mind more short tracks though.

No reason for them to race on dirt.
Those tracks are expandable.

The sport was born on dirt tracks.:rolleyes:

Pocono is just as if not more boring than Texas, Fontana, Michigan, and Atlanta.

Unlike Fontana, Atlanta and Michigan, Pocono has capacity crowds every single time.
 
Then let them expand and see what happens.

The top level has moved past racing on dirt tracks.

It might have the crowds, but the racing is always monotonous and boring.
 
Then let them expand and see what happens.

The top level has moved past racing on dirt tracks.

It might have the crowds, but the racing is always monotonous and boring.

Iowa and Kentucky can expand and still sell out just about every race they run! :beerbang:
 
Those tracks are expandable.

The sport was born on dirt tracks.:rolleyes:

Unlike Fontana, Atlanta and Michigan, Pocono has capacity crowds every single time.

Maybe someone should set up an organization and start racing on dirt since you think it would sell out each week.
What? They already have races on dirt...and they don't sell out every week! Well then I'm confused.
Every time this topic comes up I can count on Andy pushing for Cup to run on dirt. Andy, maybe you should give up your quixotic quest and learn to accept that Nascar is on paved tracks leaving others to dirt. They have left dirt behind decades ago and they aren't going back.
 
Maybe someone should set up an organization and start racing on dirt since you think it would sell out each week.
What? They already have races on dirt...and they don't sell out every week! Well then I'm confused.
Every time this topic comes up I can count on Andy pushing for Cup to run on dirt. Andy, maybe you should give up your quixotic quest and learn to accept that Nascar is on paved tracks leaving others to dirt. They have left dirt behind decades ago and they aren't going back.
There's no reason NASCAR can't race at Churchill Downs or Pimlico.
 
I have always liked the brickyard and I have been many times. I have always wondered what the NASCAR race would be like if they ran the cup cars on the road course there.
 
I have always liked the brickyard and I have been many times. I have always wondered what the NASCAR race would be like if they ran the cup cars on the road course there.

It would be alot better than that carp we watched last week. Heck, watching replays of "eight is enough" is more entertaining than Indy's quad oval.
 
I have always liked the brickyard and I have been many times. I have always wondered what the NASCAR race would be like if they ran the cup cars on the road course there.

It would be alot better than that carp we watched last week. Heck, watching replays of "eight is enough" is more entertaining than Indy's quad oval.

Watching paint dry and counting beer bottles is more entertaining than NASCAR at the Brickyard.
 
I have always liked the brickyard and I have been many times. I have always wondered what the NASCAR race would be like if they ran the cup cars on the road course there.


NASCAR back at Indy...in the fall? Stock cars might return this fall. IMS officials have discussed staging an exhibition on the road course with NASCAR and Grand Am's sports cars. The road course will begin to be installed next week for the Aug. 28-30 motorcycle event, the Red Bull Indianapolis Grand Prix.(Indianapolis Star)(7-27-2009)
 
I would rather them add 30-40,000 seats to ORP and move Indy's race there. Might just be me.
 
They should do a race or two in Canada, i'm sure they would get very good crowds. They don't have any ovals that could hold a cup race(although there were some rumors about one being built at Fort Erie) but they do have good road courses. They could always build a new oval anyway.
 
In 2011, add Kentucky, Gateway, ORP, and Iowa(they got what...3 times their capacity at yesterdays race?), take away a race from Atlanta, Fontana, Pocono, and Texas.
 
In 2011, add Kentucky, Gateway, ORP, and Iowa(they got what...3 times their capacity at yesterdays race?), take away a race from Atlanta, Fontana, Pocono, and Texas.

Gateway needs more seating, they can probably add more seating but than the main problem is going to be there isn't enough parking and traffic would be a nightmare.

ORP doesn't have enough seating as well.

Kentucky and Iowa could work, I'd take away a race from Fontana and Michigan.
 
Add races at: Iowa, Kentucky, Portland, and Gateway.

Remove races at: California, Texas, Atlanta, and Michigan.

Lose Indy and race at ORP.

Will never happen: BRING BACK ROCKINGHAM! :beerbang::beerbang::beerbang:
 
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