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Well, according to the morning fishwrap, the 2003 season will be the last for Union 76 being the "Official Fuel of NASCAR."

This ends a 50 year relationship that goes back to the early years of NASCAR.

I guess it is now time to sell this title to a higher bidder.


Mo' Money, Mo' Money!


Guido
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I have a feeling that they were told that the price for being " The Official Fuel of Nascar" was going to cost them more money. If thats true this is becoming sickening.:(
 
What the heck?? The fact that union 76 has been when Nascar for 50 years doesn't matter, it's just about the almighty dollar.
I agree with Bowtie, if this is the case it is sickening.
I hate that with anything it seems as soon as it becomes popular it becomes about money. So what if 76 has been with them for 50 years, highest bidder wins. So what if there are fans that has followed Nascar for many many years, but can no longer afford to buy tickets to a race because the price keeps going up!
When will it end??
 
Originally posted by DeeDee
So what if 76 has been with them for 50 years, highest bidder wins.   So what if there are fans that has followed Nascar for many many years, but can no longer afford to buy tickets to a race because the price keeps going up!  
When will it end??


Well DeeDee, I'm guessing that they will be wringing as many dollars out of the sport until they finally kill the golden egg laying goose.

Don't know how many years that will take but it will eventually happen.

It's a shame; it really was a pretty good sport at one time. :(


Guido
 
Guido, while it's a shame that 76 is losing their deal with NASCAR, I'm wondering how many people have used this fuel. I've never in my life filled my car up with 76 gas. I guess mostly because there hasn't been a station around me.
 
I have used it when i go to Vegas, pretty expensive and i tend to think it is just over priced Connoco gas myself. To me this is just business, some company probably out bid 76, i don't see what the big deal is?
 
Let 's see....next will be Goodyear, they will be gone. Then probably Budweiser will be replaced as the sponser of the Pole Award. Might as well get rid of Simpson too......

Wait a second, they already tried that....;)
 
Don't for get Winston! Yeah, I can see it now...NASCAR Microsoft Cup with the Guiness Pole Award. Tars, tires, tyres will be supplied by Dunlop and fuel by BP. Timing by Rolex and the new front runner award will be sponsored by X-Yachts of America. :)
 
And so what if that did happen? Would that change the racing? Would you look at your favorite driver differently? What difference does a sponsor have to do with the racing on the track, come on.....too much emphasis is put on tradition these days. The changes in the sport is business, pure and simple. All the griping in the world won't change it.
 
Originally posted by Mopardh9
Ok just read up on this and it was Conocos' decision not Nascars' , so before all you go dumping on Nascar again check out rhe article on www.thatsracin.com:satisfied


Of course it was Conoco's decision! They probably didn't want to come up with the big bucks that NASCAR wanted!

...."changing business strategies" .........and ...."unable to take full advantage of NASCAR"s national and international marketing platform" ...... just nice word for "we had enough of this.

I read the article this morning before I posted. I'm "dumping" on NASCAR because their continued greed is going to eventually bite them in the ass.

Guido
 
yeah Mopar you're right, it was conoco's decision, But they did not say why it was there decision. If they just decided not to participate then it was their choice. If Nascar on the other hand decided to get more money then that was not their decision. I getting tired of everything being about more money. Tickets, consessions, camping, everything is being jacked so the average man can not afford to take his family to the races. If it is a family sport then keep it affordable for the famlies.
 
Originally posted by Mopardh9
And so what if that did happen? Would that change the racing? Would you look at your favorite driver differently? What difference does a sponsor have to do with the racing on the track, come on.....too much emphasis is put on tradition these days. The changes in the sport is business, pure and simple. All the griping in the world won't change it.

Of course I wouldn't. I watch F1 racing when I can and enjoy that. But you ask, would that change the racing. I believe it would. It would be more and more like F1 racing...totally technical and completely aerodynamic. If they would allow the manufacturers to be inovative, working on their own and not trying to make all makes equal, it would be better in my mind. Much like F1 in that sense. But all of this is pure conjecture anyway. It won't get that far. By that time, fans will tire of the sport and find something else to bide their idle time. :(
 
Originally posted by buckaroo
Guido, while it's a shame that 76 is losing their deal with NASCAR, I'm wondering how many people have used this fuel.  I've never in my life filled my car up with 76 gas.  I guess mostly because there hasn't been a station around me.


CB,

I have actually seen an increase in the number of 76 stations around here over the last 5-10 years.

And in my travels around the country, I've stopped at many a 76 outlet.

Guido
 
http://www.HoustonChronicle.com | Section: Business

Jan. 29, 2003, 2:18PM


ConocoPhillips posts $410 million 4th-quarter loss
Associated Press

ConocoPhillips, the No. 3 U.S. oil company, today posted a fourth-quarter loss, reversing a year-ago profit, after taking $1.2 billion in charges to account primarily for planned gas station sales.

The Houston company -- formed by the combination of Conoco and Phillips last year -- is in the process of selling assets in both its upstream exploration and production business and its downstream refining and marketing business as part of a plan to shed properties that do not bring in adequate returns.

ConocoPhillips reported a net loss of $410 million, or 60 cents a share, compared with net income of $162 million, or 42 cents a share, in the year-ago quarter. The year-ago figures are for Phillips as a stand-alone company.

Shares of ConocoPhillips were up more than 4 percent after the results were announced, following a nearly 5-percent rise during a fourth quarter that saw crude oil prices rise more than 40 percent due to fears of a potential war in Iraq, a strike in Venezuela and increasing U.S. demand for petroleum products.

But the troubles in Venezuela, the world's fifth-largest exporter of oil, have proved a double-edged sword.

The company, which said its operations there are currently shut down, forecast an impact of about $30 million to $50 million a month as long as the shutdown continues.

Friedman, Billings, Ramsey analyst Jacques Rousseau, who rates the company an "outperform" and does not own any of its shares, said the figure is less than many had expected. "People had been fearful the impact would be greater."

But he added: "The key thing is they provided some flavor on what's going on in Venezuela, with an estimate of what the strike is costing them."


STILL "SIGNIFICANTLY" SMALLER

The $15.4 billion deal creating ConocoPhillips catapulted it into the ranks of the largest U.S. oil companies, though it remains well behind Exxon Mobil Corp. and ChevronTexaco Corp. in terms of both stock market value and revenue.

The merger, which closed last August, is making good progress, Chief Executive Jim Mulva said in a statement, with $1.25 billion a year in cost savings expected by the end of this year. He also said he doesn't expect anymore "substantial" large charges stemming from the merger.

"We're building a new company with very high expectations to improve our competitive position as we compare ourselves to the largest companies in our industry," Mulva said on a conference call.

But whether ConocoPhillips is set to join the ranks of the biggest oil companies in the world remains a question.

"That'll take some time," Rousseau said. "We're still looking at a company significantly smaller than its peers. The key is making sure they get the synergies they promised."

Excluding special items, the company posted earnings per share of $1.10, a penny below the Thomson First Call consensus estimate.

Exploration and production operating income more than tripled from a year-ago, to $824 million, due to increased production with the addition of the Conoco assets, as well as higher crude oil and natural gas prices.

The company's first-quarter production forecast of about 1.55 million barrels of oil and gas a day is in line with previous guidance, even after assuming that production from Venezuela will not resume in the first quarter.

Refining and marketing results more than doubled, to $193 million, with the addition of the Conoco assets and higher refining margins that offset a shutdown at a U.K. refinery.

As part of its plan to identify assets that do not meet return targets, ConocoPhillips -- which already sold more than $600 million of properties in its exploration and production business during the quarter -- is looking to sell a substantial portion of its 3,700 company-owned service stations and exit some regions of the world.

Revenue for the quarter rose to $23.5 billion from $8.7 billion for Phillips in the prior-year quarter.

Shares of ConocoPhillips were up $1.84, or just over 4 percent, to $47.75 in Wednesday afternoon trade on the New York Stock Exchange, after climbing as high as $47.90 earlier in the session.
 
Woaa...different sponsors changing how technical the sport gets? That is a stretch....sorry....all the rules would have to be changed. F1 is a cool form of racing, i sometimes watch it , but the competition on the track can't compare with stock car racing. In F1 usually one guy gets ahead and the race is over, very few lead changes on the track, to me that is boring. I do appreciate the technical aspect of the sport though, the cars are marvels of innovation. Getting back to the Conoco thing ....in the article Conoco says pretty much that the 76 brand is not available every where in the country and that fans ask for this gas. If it was advantageous to them to open up more 76 gas stations and market this brand to stay in Nascar don't you think they would? It was a business decision, big business has driven this country, made it what it is today, free enterprise is what our economy is based on. Nascar is no different, people get so upset when Nascar makes a business decision to better it self. Nascar isn't there as a business to apease its' fans just to be the good guy. they are there to make money and as much of it as possible, just like any other form of business. Just like getting rid of dates at Darlington or Rockingham, that is a business decision. Do you think just becasue these tracks are old stallwarts that Nascar thinks them untouchable? Oh lets' see if i were losing money on a couple of dates i'll just let it slide, even though these races don't sell out.....i'll let it go theses tracks are old and a mainstay. Why do you think Wilksboro bit the dust? Business is business just like any other sport there will be changes....it is called progress. In my opinion Nascar won't go by the wayside any time soon, they know the fans are the ones that pay the bills!
 
I know Kat don't get your claws out i saw your post after i replied to this one don't get upset.:)
 
Originally posted by Mopardh9
I know Kat don't get your claws out i saw your post after i replied to this one don't get upset.:)

No problem sweetie, I'm just complaining like Robby Gordon :p
Nobody loves me anymore:eek:
 
Hey how long do you think Robby will last this season? Do you think he will be out by the Pepsi 400? I say yes.
 
Originally posted by Mopardh9
Hey how long do you think Robby will last this season? Do you think he will be out by the Pepsi 400? I say yes.

That remains to be seen, and complained about:D Robber Gordon seems to have "connections". I think he could be a dang fine driver if he would just pay attention for a change. AND, like some others, just shut up and drive the damn car:p
 
I have liked Robby for a long time, but I am wondering if he has the mental stability to stay out of trouble. I'm not comparing him to Tony in that way, but rather his on track antics. When he's running well, he can be a bit too overly aggressive and when he's not, he can be just plain ornery to the other drivers. Both of those things can get him into big trouble if he continues. If he could just bridle that emotion and drive, he could do very well.
 
Yeh i agree, he doesn't seem to think sometimes, tends to let his emotions get the better of him. I Still think that win at NHIS wasn't legit and that he should have been penalized for it, but oh well.
 
Interesting theory, but doubt it, i thnk that nascar just wanted to get the season over with . All the 911 stuff,postponing that race until November took its toll on all the teams and fans. Just to let the season end and not create anymore rift was probably the best idea , even though i think it was a tainted win.
 
Originally posted by Mopardh9
Yeh i agree, he doesn't seem to think sometimes, tends to let his emotions get the better of him. I Still think that win at NHIS wasn't legit and that he should have been penalized for it, but oh well.
Robby won that race fair and square. Another driver pulled a bonehead move and took himself out;)
 
Talk about thread drift...

Robby is secure with his ride. He does exactly what Childress wants a driver to do.

Childress builds the strongest front ends in racing, and expects his drivers to use them regularly.
 
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