Upon further review, Fox has more commercials than NBC

The difference is 25% of a 600-mile race means more actual coverage of the race than 25% of a 400-mile race.
 
29-4 said:
The difference is 25% of a 600-mile race means more actual coverage of the race than 25% of a 400-mile race.
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Doesn't matter.

What does matter is the fact that the 2 broadcast rights holders are contractually obligated to pay the sanctioning body $880 million a year. They have to cover their rather expensive production costs and hopefully have something left for themselves when the checkered flag falls at Homestead.

All that and 1 revenue stream ... the sale of advertising minutes. The idea that there should be, could be or will be fewer spots is just wishful thinking.
 
Geez, how many different threads about this same topic. We are up to about 6 right now. What is the point of starting new threads which fragment the discussion, and lead to so much repetition?
 
Matthew2470 said:
WTF?
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25% of Coke 600= 150 miles missed, 450 miles seen.

25% of Coke Zero 400=100 miles missed, 300 miles seen.

The Coke 600 had a bit more commercial time, but the time between commercials was likely greater, and more miles of racing were seen.
 
29-4 said:
25% of Coke 600= 150 miles missed, 450 miles seen.

25% of Coke Zero 400=100 miles missed, 300 miles seen.

The Coke 600 had a bit more commercial time, but the time between commercials was likely greater, and more miles of racing were seen.
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25% of the Coke 600 = more commercials seen as well.

The figures don't lie, the liars figure. Now, you're performing mental gymnastics to explain why Fox having a ton of commercials is fine and NBC having a ton of commercials is terrible.
 
Who cares? As the number of commercials go up (either real or perceived) the number of fans watching will go down. It's reached the point of diminishing returns, not for just racing, but for TV as a whole, period.

I'm tired of paying $130 a month for cable and getting 1/3 or more commercials. Time to cut the cord.
 
The commercials are a required infringement in order for the broadcast to be free. I don't mind that. What really pisses me off are all the interruptions that ARE NOT PAID COMMERCIALS.
The producers fail to understand that "THE RACE is the show and there is no need to break away from the race to try and entertain us.

TV producers are not race fans and have no idea what the fans want. BTW, a producer makes above $1000. per hour.
 
aunty dive said:
Doesn't matter.

What does matter is the fact that the 2 broadcast rights holders are contractually obligated to pay the sanctioning body $880 million a year. They have to cover their rather expensive production costs and hopefully have something left for themselves when the checkered flag falls at Homestead.

All that and 1 revenue stream ... the sale of advertising minutes. The idea that there should be, could be or will be fewer spots is just wishful thinking.
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It is possible that the networks are having to jam more commercials into Nascar programming because the slots are not selling at the anticipated rate. Also I have not seen where FOX or NBC sports have been able to squeeze the cable/sat providers for more money to carry either of those channels so they may be scrambling to cover costs.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
It is possible that the networks are having to jam more commercials into Nascar programming because the slots are not selling at the anticipated rate. Also I have not seen where FOX or NBC sports have been able to squeeze the cable/sat providers for more money to carry either of those channels so they may be scrambling to cover costs.
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Anything is possible. They multiply minutes sold X rate.
 
kk5fan said:
Who cares? As the number of commercials go up (either real or perceived) the number of fans watching will go down. It's reached the point of diminishing returns, not for just racing, but for TV as a whole, period.

I'm tired of paying $130 a month for cable and getting 1/3 or more commercials. Time to cut the cord.
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I''d guess they have a future plan to commercialize programming for cable cutters. Nothing is free.
 
aunty dive said:
Anything is possible. They multiply minutes sold X rate.
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Another scenario could be that demand is high for the commercial slots so NBC sold a few extra in order to make hay. Regardless it is like you have said as there is nothing free so commercials have to be shown unless Nascar went to a PPV plan.
 
kk5fan said:
Who cares? As the number of commercials go up (either real or perceived) the number of fans watching will go down. It's reached the point of diminishing returns, not for just racing, but for TV as a whole, period.

I'm tired of paying $130 a month for cable and getting 1/3 or more commercials. Time to cut the cord.
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I'm only paying $30/month.
 
I'm not surprised. I think people are upset and exaggerating a bit because there is generally more on track action at plate races than there is at Texas for example.
 
29-4 said:
25% of Coke 600= 150 miles missed, 450 miles seen.

25% of Coke Zero 400=100 miles missed, 300 miles seen.

The Coke 600 had a bit more commercial time, but the time between commercials was likely greater, and more miles of racing were seen.
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Yes, I figured that out immediately. That doesn't change the fact that your original post was baffling.
 
kk5fan said:
Who cares? As the number of commercials go up (either real or perceived) the number of fans watching will go down. It's reached the point of diminishing returns, not for just racing, but for TV as a whole, period.

I'm tired of paying $130 a month for cable and getting 1/3 or more commercials. Time to cut the cord.
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If you're paying $130/mo you should definitely have a DVR.
 
I think the reason people get so emotional about NASCAR commercials is because it's one of the few sports where the commercials actually cut into the action. Stick and ball sports usually have their commercials during TV timeouts or intermissions, which isn't an option in motorsports. NFL fans would probably raise hell too if they could only see 2-1/2 quarters of every game.
 
ToyYoda said:
I think the reason people get so emotional about NASCAR commercials is because it's one of the few sports where the commercials actually cut into the action. Stick and ball sports usually have their commercials during TV timeouts or intermissions, which isn't an option in motorsports. NFL fans would probably raise hell too if they could only see 2-1/2 quarters of every game.
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And yet soccer broadcasts on both Fox and NBC go 45 minutes straight with no commercials. Even their side-by-side much smaller, not much more than a bar at the bottom and a panel to the side. In the NFL, if you miss a single play you're fired. NASCAR broadcasts are absolutely horrendous and unacceptable.
 
Acs said:
And yet soccer broadcasts on both Fox and NBC go 45 minutes straight with no commercials. Even their side-by-side much smaller, not much more than a bar at the bottom and a panel to the side. In the NFL, if you miss a single play you're fired. NASCAR broadcasts are absolutely horrendous and unacceptable.
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Soccer on ESPN, too!
 
Acs said:
And yet soccer broadcasts on both Fox and NBC go 45 minutes straight with no commercials. Even their side-by-side much smaller, not much more than a bar at the bottom and a panel to the side. In the NFL, if you miss a single play you're fired. NASCAR broadcasts are absolutely horrendous and unacceptable.
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The English Premier League on NBC isn't drawing 5.7 million viewers.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Yes, I figured that out immediately. That doesn't change the fact that your original post was baffling.
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You're right, posting "wtf" displays a far higher level of intelligence than a thoughtful explanation for why some may have found daytonas coverage to be worse.
 
29-4 said:
You're right, posting "wtf" displays a far higher level of intelligence than a thoughtful explanation for why some may have found daytonas coverage to be worse.
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Don't be mad at me. You're the one that can't math.
 
Acs said:
And yet soccer broadcasts on both Fox and NBC go 45 minutes straight with no commercials. Even their side-by-side much smaller, not much more than a bar at the bottom and a panel to the side. In the NFL, if you miss a single play you're fired. NASCAR broadcasts are absolutely horrendous and unacceptable.
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Unacceptable? So you don't watch?
 
ToyYoda said:
I think the reason people get so emotional about NASCAR commercials is because it's one of the few sports where the commercials actually cut into the action. Stick and ball sports usually have their commercials during TV timeouts or intermissions, which isn't an option in motorsports. NFL fans would probably raise hell too if they could only see 2-1/2 quarters of every game.
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Mad? I would hunt Roger Goodell down like a dog. I think it would be worth looking into Nascar offering some sort of PPV option that would be commercial free as even though I wouldn't use it some might.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Don't be mad at me. You're the one that can't math.
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Ah, I see that you cant grasp that 25% of a larger number is larger than 25% of a smaller number. No worries. There are plenty of people like you who "can't math." It's either that, or you "can't English," lacking the ability of understand common words like "actual."

I let your "wtf" slide and explained in a way that a less intelligent person could understand. But being told I "can't math" and called "stupid" when I have an M.S. in Statistics warrants a reply. I won't respond to you anymore so that this thread can stay posted.
 
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29-4 said:
Ah, I see that you cant grasp that 25% of a larger number is larger than 25% of a smaller number. No worries. There are plenty of people like you who "can't math." It's either that, or you "can't English," lacking the ability of understand common words like "actual."

I let your "wtf" slide and explained in a way that a less intelligent person could understand. But being told I "can't math" and called "stupid" when I have an M.S. in Statistics warrants a reply. I won't respond to you anymore so that this thread can stay posted.
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30% of 600 miles is more laps than 30% of 400 miles. It's also more commercials.

You're the one who did mental gymnastics to justify that tons of commercials on Fox is a good thing but tons of commercials on NBC is bad.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
30% of 600 miles is more laps than 30% of 400 miles. It's also more commercials.

You're the one who did mental gymnastics to justify that tons of commercials on Fox is a good thing but tons of commercials on NBC is bad.
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Not justifying. Just saying that it explains why people would complain more about about the NBC race. The longer race means that you more than likely got longer segments during the 600.
 
29-4 said:
Not justifying. Just saying that it explains why people would complain more about about the NBC race. The longer race means that you more than likely got longer segments during the 600.
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Not really. Same percentage, means it evened out. It just meant there were more commercial breaks.

People probably didn't complain because the Coca-Cola 600 was a historically bad race. Possibly the worst Cup race in over 20 years.

Daytona wasn't a good race either, but fans love their plate racing and big crashes.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Not really. Same percentage, means it evened out. It just meant there were more commercial breaks.

People probably didn't complain because the Coca-Cola 600 was a historically bad race. Possibly the worst Cup race in over 20 years.

Daytona wasn't a good race either, but fans love their plate racing and big crashes.
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Last analogy I'll try, because this really was meant to be an aside: if there were 25% of the 24 hours of Le Mans devoted to commercials, the average viewer could still see 18 full hours of racing and is unlikely to be annoyed by the occasional commercials. If we have a 40-lap heat at your local short track where 25% of the broadcast is commercials, the racing segments will be very short to fit the commercials in, and a race fan watching at home is likely to be quite PO'd at missing 10 of the 40 laps. The 600 versus the 400 is not as extreme as this, but is the same analogy.
 
29-4 said:
Last analogy I'll try, because this really was meant to be an aside: if there were 25% of the 24 hours of Le Mans devoted to commercials, the average viewer could still see 18 full hours of racing and is unlikely to be annoyed by the occasional commercials. If we have a 40-lap heat at your local short track where 25% of the broadcast is commercials, the racing segments will be very short to fit the commercials in, and a race fan watching at home is likely to be quite PO'd at missing 10 of the 40 laps. The 600 versus the 400 is not as extreme as this, but is the same analogy.
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If the 24 Hour race was shown and it was 30% commercials, it would still result in the same number of commercials per hour and the commercial breaks would still be very frequent and it would still piss fans off.

Fans were annoyed about the number of commercials during the Coca-Cola 600. Plenty of examples here: http://racing-forums.com/threads/charlotte-600-race-thread.53320/
 
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