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#25-Brian Vickers, who is leaving Hendrick Motorsports at the end of the season to drive for Toyota's Team Red Bull, no longer takes part in the customary Hendrick race weekend team meetings. Only crew chief Lance McGrew is allowed to attend the at-the-track meetings where strategy and race setups are discussed among crew chiefs and drivers. "We all know there are few secrets in this sport and it's important to keep as many as possible," Vickers' teammate #48-Jimmie Johnson said.(Yahoo! Sports)(9-30-2006)
 
That makes that "Whine" of Gordon's even a bit more sour if you ask me. He complains because the kid races him hard and not acting like a team mate, but forgets to mention they've aready segregated him and trating him like a non-team mate.

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The funny thing is IMHO Brian is the "ONLY" one that is still acting like a good team member. Regardless how they're treating him, he's out there driving hard and driving smart trying to get the best finish he can for his team. Unlike many drivers that seem to just ride around completeing their contract and making laps under the same circumstances.

Personally it gives me a lot more respect for Brian, and as you, diminishes my respect for the rest of that organization.
 
I dunno Eagle, but I bet that Dragonlady is spewing FIRE at you right now!
 
kat2220 said:
I dunno Eagle, but I bet that Dragonlady is spewing FIRE at you right now!
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I don't know why she should be????

Jeff's whining was broadcast so the whole world to hear it, it's not a secret. It's not a "Someone said Jeff said" WE all heard it. So in light of that, and this new information, can you honestly say it doesn't make Jeff sound very hyporcritical?
 
Sad to say, Kat, but Eagle is right. I heard Jeff's whine last week and couldn't believe my ears. Not typical????? I cant say for sure. I don't know what goes on behind the scenes that we aren't privy to.
I hope yesterday was a good encounter between the two of them. Jeff went to Brian's car and they spoke when Brian out ran him for the pole. I would like to think that Jeff was congratulating Brian for his good run.
Sigh......................in spite of it all, I still keep my fav status with Jeff. LOL
SEXY LIL OLE HUNK!!!!!
I'm sorry to see Brian being treated like an outcast, but at the same time, I understand the necessity for it. That's racin!!
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One thing you have to remember...Jeffy has multiple Championships, Vickers does not. Doesn't even have one.
IMO, he went into Cup too early. He wasn't fast in the Busch series when he left.
He hasn't done anything that any of his teammates have done.
I believe that when he gets in the (new) Toyota with the (new) team, he's gonna fall on his face, as are the rest of the Toyota-chosen used-to-wuzzes or never-wuzzes.
Brian has not been able to do anything with the multi-car, winning owner that the others with the same opportunity have done. He didn't work where he is, with all of the knowledge that was available to him.
I don't see him making leaps and bounds with the drivers that Toyota was able to obtain in their first year of Cup competition.
If he does succeed, more power to him.
 
I agree Bobby. There are many who have taken the "UP" elevator without the experience or even the seat time in younger years to show their promise.
I LOVE DENNY HAMLIN, and he has shown a LOT of promise this year, as opposed to some others (Green, Yeley, Vickers, and even Truex,Jr).

Someone name just ONE driver, past champ or not, who hasn't whined about one situation or another, and I'll buy the cheese for Jeff's whine!
 
kat2220 said:
I agree Bobby. There are many who have taken the "UP" elevator without the experience or even the seat time in younger years to show their promise.
I LOVE DENNY HAMLIN, and he has shown a LOT of promise this year, as opposed to some others (Green, Yeley, Vickers, and even Truex,Jr).

Someone name just ONE driver, past champ or not, who hasn't whined about one situation or another, and I'll buy the cheese for Jeff's whine!
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I agree Kat, Denny Hamlin is an incredible talent. Good on short tracks, cookie-cutter tracks and super speedways. And, no whining. There certainly is a Championship with Denny's name on it. The kid's only 26. Give him some time to ripen and he's gonna run away with it.
 
The funny thing is that Rusty (IMO) was a Champion Whiner and was RARELY criticized for it!
 
BobbyFord said:
One thing you have to remember...Jeffy has multiple Championships, Vickers does not. Doesn't even have one.
IMO, he went into Cup too early. He wasn't fast in the Busch series when he left.
He hasn't done anything that any of his teammates have done.
I believe that when he gets in the (new) Toyota with the (new) team, he's gonna fall on his face, as are the rest of the Toyota-chosen used-to-wuzzes or never-wuzzes.
Brian has not been able to do anything with the multi-car, winning owner that the others with the same opportunity have done. He didn't work where he is, with all of the knowledge that was available to him.
I don't see him making leaps and bounds with the drivers that Toyota was able to obtain in their first year of Cup competition.
If he does succeed, more power to him.
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but dont you think HMS is somewhat to blame as well?...arent they the ones that developed him and maybe rushed him too much and put him in the Cup car to early?

It looks like the driver is doing his best in the car...but maybe the team isnt doing their best since he is leaving....HMS is acting like they have never had a driver leave them before...its a business....they need to stop crying about it.

if they have a problem with him...maybe they should release him now.

i personally feel like he's doing better in the 25 car that anyone has in a long time....that car for some reason as always struggled.
 
Roush did the same thing to Bush last year. I really can't blame a team owner for doing this.
 
BobbyFord said:
Brian has not been able to do anything with the multi-car, winning owner that the others with the same opportunity have done. He didn't work where he is, with all of the knowledge that was available to him.
I don't see him making leaps and bounds with the drivers that Toyota was able to obtain in their first year of Cup competition.
If he does succeed, more power to him.
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How many multi-car teams have R&D cars? Come on, I mean when is the last time you ever saw the #25, #10 (Evernham), old #10 (MB2), and so on run worth a crap?? These cars are R&D and either run some F** up chasis, engine, etc. for testing purposes or do not recevieve the same "team" support the others do.
 
Brian Vickers leaving Hendrick was apparently eminent even though several months ago it was common knowledge on this forum and in media reports he would be gone if there were no signs of improvement.

Since that time, Brian Vickers, had asked to be released and his request granted by HMS.
Vickers not being permitted in team meetings is not unusual, neither does it imply retaliation or anything negative by HMS.

The fact remains, his crew chief attends all meetings and shares information between the teams. Vickers gets information on a need to know basis. Under the circumstances, there is nothing unusual about this arrangement.

One other point, it has been mentioned Vickers has been babied along, and perhaps he has. Remember, Brian Vickers was hand picked by the late Ricky Hendrick and my guess is, Vickers go special considerations out of respect and in memory of Ricky Hendrick.

To blame HMS for not permitting Vickers to attend the meetings is incorrect. It is rather, good business and his continued stay at HSMS is more due to sponsor committment than anything else. Either way, it does not seem to affect his driving as his cars are capable of running in or near the front and do so every week.
 
So y'all think that someone high up in KMart who has given their notice that they will be leaving and taking a similar position with WalMart should be included in ALL of the business making decisions up until the time they actually leave. What world do you live in? And, have you been there long?
 
barelypure said:
So y'all think that someone high up in KMart who has given their notice that they will be leaving and taking a similar position with WalMart should be included in ALL of the business making decisions up until the time they actually leave. What world do you live in? And, have you been there long?
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No I don't, but then again I don't expect their co worker to go crying to the press that that person isn't a team player either.
 
I also agree that Vickers has been around this long just because of Ricky. He has never really impressed me to much.
 
barelypure said:
So y'all think that someone high up in KMart who has given their notice that they will be leaving and taking a similar position with WalMart should be included in ALL of the business making decisions up until the time they actually leave. What world do you live in? And, have you been there long?
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Nope....i would have let him go ahead and leave as soon as he turned his notice in....in fact....id actually have security escort him out the building to make sure he doesnt get any more information out of us....that happens a lot these days.

if you arent going to let the man be a part of the "team"...then go ahead and let him go.
 
Now in that I would agree. If he's not going to be driving for you then let him go ala Wimmer, Sadler, etc.
 
This Buds For Me said:
Nope....i would have let him go ahead and leave as soon as he turned his notice in....
if you arent going to let the man be a part of the "team"...then go ahead and let him go.
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Might not sponsorship committments be the reason Vickers stayed ?? Who would HMS replace Vickers with ?? Vickers is doing a decent job for both HMS and the sponsor. Why let him go before he moves on??

Eagle1 said:
No I don't, but then again I don't expect their co worker to go crying to the press that that person isn't a team player either.
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I thought JGordon make his comments via two-way communication to his crew chief and spotter????? I didn't realize he commented his displeasure to the press as well.
 
Whizzer said:
Might not sponsorship committments be the reason Vickers stayed ?? Who would HMS replace Vickers with ?? Vickers is doing a decent job for both HMS and the sponsor. Why let him go before he moves on??

Then he's still a part of the team.....if he's giving HMS 100%...then they should be giving him 100%.

if i was him...i wouldnt show up at the race track the following week if my team wasnt giving me 100% and i was giving them that much.

as far as HMS not having a driver for that car until next year...maybe they can work something out with Ganasi....but thats not Vickers problem.
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Lap3Forever said:
I also agree that Vickers has been around this long just because of Ricky. He has never really impressed me to much.
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Lappy, you never raced against him. He was the track champion at Caraway Speedway, a place where many of the Cuppers have begun their carreers and where the likes of Bobby Labonte took the title. So did Mike Skinner. Brian is a good driver and is capable of winning races. He might have been a good friend of Ricky Hendrick, but it wasn't because he was a lousy driver and just hung around Ricky.
 
I sure hope Vickers doesn't expect great treatment from his "Teamates" after today! :mad:
 
there is 1 meeting left that brian will attend before the end of the year. Donald Trump will be Mr. Hendrick's guest of honor for the meeting.
 
kat2220 said:
I sure hope Vickers doesn't expect great treatment from his "Teamates" after today! :mad:
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So they were/are teammates? Jimmy and Jeff were not exactly good teammates to Brian. Brian has no incentive to do them any favors anymore. Hell, he's not even allowed in the team meetings. I say Go Brian Go, get what you can with the equipment you've got, Jimmy and Jeff be damned!
 
Vern Demerest said:
So they were/are teammates? Jimmy and Jeff were not exactly good teammates to Brian. Brian has no incentive to do them any favors anymore. Hell, he's not even allowed in the team meetings. I say Go Brian Go, get what you can with the equipment you've got, Jimmy and Jeff be damned!
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Brian didn't have an incentive before the deal about the meetings.
 
after what happened today...i bet he's not in the 25 car next week...........
 
I guess another good question would be will Rick fire Jimmie Johnson on Monday?

It was Jimmie that got into Carl Edwards causing the big one that took Jeff Gordon out wasn't it?

If you think it so easy to just let off a little and avoid everything, why didn't Jimmie just let off and the "Big One" wouldn't have happened?
 
Eagle1 said:
I guess another good question would be will Rick fire Jimmie Johnson on Monday?

It was Jimmie that got into Carl Edwards causing the big one that took Jeff Gordon out wasn't it?

If you think it so easy to just let off a little and avoid everything, why didn't Jimmie just let off and the "Big One" wouldn't have happened?
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I'm not a Jimmie fan...in fact he is my least favorite driver...the only reason i said that i bet he wont be driving for them next sunday is because they already do not think of him as a teammate....he's gone after this year anyways....and it took out one of the teams car that is in the chase.

there werent a lot of people in victory lane from HMS yesterday..........
 
yep, unfortunate but happens all the time. especially at taladega.
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