Was it ok for Jr to spin Mayfield?

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Those that are upset with how Gordon was driving yesterday (myself included)...can you say the same things about the way Jr was driving yesterday?

I can.

Or is it different for Jr?
 
I guess what I noticed more than anything else was not who was spinning who, but when. For instance, early in the race, there was a spin when the leaders were approaching the pack. Someone (and I forget who) needed to stay on the lead lap, and needed a caution to do so. Voila.

I stand by my original imflammatory statement...I don't want any Gordon fans screaming about what a clean driver he is to me any more. He is not above doing it. We have the proof. Take the argument, such as it is, elsewhere. It don't fly with this ol' boy.

I ain't touching the Junior question with the proverbial 40 foot pole. For once in my life, I am resolved to stay out of a discussion in which I have zero chance of remaining objective. :p
 
Is isn't right for anyone to spin anyone, at any track.
 
Like what followthe18 said, not good anywhere. I don't care if it was Jr or Gordon. Never should happen. I know sometimes it is just a racing deal but it shouldn't keep happening.
 
Cars were damaged and/or spun after contact with at least 5 drivers other than Jeff or Jr that I can recall off the top of my head.

Brett Bodine
Joe Nemechek
Steve Grissom
Casey Atwood
Jimmy Spencer

I'm fairly certain that was a lot more contact that did not result in a spin/damage which is not mentioned. (This based on the number of straight doors and fenders present on the track)
 
Ok which of the above did not cause a spin and which did?

Hint, only one did not cause a spin.
 
That isn't my point.

My point is that people were very fast to call for Gordon's punishment (myself included) I'm wondering if those same people are able to say the same for Jr.

I'm guessing there will either be a flood of "that's racin" comments, or a total lack of responses to the thread at all.
 
It wasn't a clean move, that's for sure. And c'mon TNW, break out the proverbial pole and just give it a quick jab...
-Rich
 
I guess people are saying that stuff about Gordon is because he did it twice.
 
Actually if you'll see where Kurt Busch talking him and Gordon getting together, he said that he cut down on Jeff. So some of you people need to get your storys straight before you go pointing fingers at others. Cause all you do is make yourself look stupid. Just because someone is directly behind someone when the spin it doesn't mean that it's their fault. You don't know who checked up and who didn't, or who cut down to block who, or who slid the tires coming out of the corner and didn't get as good a run as the person behind them...and on and on.....

All I'm saying is that you should get the facts before you start blaming people for things.
 
Originally posted by B.C. - 24
Actually if you'll see where Kurt Busch talking him and Gordon getting together, he said that he cut down on Jeff.  So some of you people need to get your storys straight before you go pointing fingers at others.  Cause all you do is make yourself look stupid.  Just because someone is directly behind someone when the spin it doesn't mean that it's their fault.  You don't know who checked up and who didn't, or who cut down to block who, or who slid the tires coming out of the corner and didn't get as good a run as the person behind them...and on and on.....

All I'm saying is that you should get the facts before you start blaming people for things.
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Yeah, what B.C. said.

This applies to Jr.'s spinning Mayfield out too. ;)
 
Why excuse or blame anyone? Why not just chalk it up to short track racing and enjoy it for what it is. A bunch of drivers pulling out all the stops to get to the front.

Passing on the outside of a shortie is dangerous biz (Ask Jeff) and sometimes the only way under the car in front is to nudge em up out of the way. Sometimes the only way to stay on the lead lap is to put somebody else in the wall.

Kurt did it AND admitted it earlier in the year at a speedway of all places. Jeff did it not once, but twice yesterday. Kurt's still a (explitive deleted) and Jeff is still a demi-god. Junior does it and he's a chip off the old man's block. Even Gentleman Johnny TRIED it but couldn't get it done, and he'll still be known as Gentleman Johnny.

I love the beat and bang and put em in the wall of short track racing. But if there is a car in your mirror that you have ever put a fender to, it's payback time baby. If ya can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch cause there's a hundred-fifty G's waiting in Victory lane and nice guys finish last.

Hit em hard and let em spin:D
 
I should add that it was awfully nice of Ward not to exact his revenge yesterday when Jr. was having such a great run. :)
 
Originally posted by abooja
Yeah, what B.C. said.  

This applies to Jr.'s spinning Mayfield out too. ;)
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Maybe if it could apply, it would.

But it doesn't.
 
I don't care who spun who or who's fault what was, I enjoyed the heel out of the race. I love short track racing and the bumping and banging and leaning is why I watch. I dont care weather J Gordon or Jr. spun somebody, that is short track racing and that is why we all watch it. Now, some people love it until their favorite driver is on the wrong end of the spin. I just wish somebody would build another Martinesville, Bristol or Richmond and leave the mile and a halfs alone. Nascar is overrun with them.
 
Yeah, Martinsville is awesome, could use a little most banking but I still love it.

Need more highbanked ovals that's for sure.
 
That's Racin!!!!! You see these discussions after every short track race.
 
I missed parts of the race so I can't say anything about Jr's driving. However, I did see both of Gordon's incidents. While I can understand that it is Martinsville and all, him hopping the curb and getting in the grass and spinning someone is not called for no matter how big or small the track.
 
That's Racin!!!!! You see these discussions after every short track race.
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Exactly! And that's why we all love it, and come to forums like this.
-Rich
 
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I don't think there's a justification for wrecking people anywhere. IMO, too much hard work goes into preparing these race cars to make them go fast only to have them potentially torn up because of someone's impatience or lack of consideration.
 
Wow....I love dropping in here and seeing people making a big deal out what racing is essentialy all about.

This is short track racing....ooops nose in wrong place...he came down...he went up....whateveah!!!

Yesterdays race was one of the best of the season......two grooves, beatin' and bangin' short track racing!
 
Hey Lizzycat, short track racing is not Gordon and Jr's behavior yesterday.

Did you happen to catch the last few laps with Benson and Busch? Did it suddenly turn into a non short track race?

Why do people just throw out that "that's racin" or "beatin and bangin" when people want to call out a driver for spinning another driver into the wall

That is not simply beatin and bangin...

Do people truly fail to see the difference?

Do people honestly think that the drivers don't get into each other with the intent of booting them out of the way? That every single incident on the track can be summed up into "oh well, who knows someone went up or down...who knows that's racin" Sorry, but it doesn't. Racing is more complex than that.
 
Racing is more complex than that.

Sorry Paul...I must be too simplistic to see it!
 
Racing is more complex than that.

Well Paul I must be too simplistic to see it.

I am not into the "laying blame game" in racing. Johnny B said he layed the bumper on Kurt and then couldn't get close enough to do it again....lol.

Yes you bump someone to move them out of the way....hey your car is faster but the spin is accidental.

It isn't called the chrome horn for nothing.

But hey...most people like pointing fingers (and you know if you get an 1/8" opening you are going for JR on general princple) and Jeffie inspires the same type of reaction.

Oh well
 
Pushing people out of the way is fine with me. But everybody out there knows when the driver they push can't recover. There are certain points on the track that if you get a little nudge, your spin out.
 
Right, I love beatin and bangin.

I don't like seeing a driver just drive right into the rear end of another driver just to get them out of the way.

I guess that means we don't understand racing. :(
 
<SIGH>

Paul, I love your logic.......if people do not agree with you, then they are wrong.....

Message boards are for people to express their opinion.

And for others to disagree with them without being "put down" oh so politely.....lol
 
Well for one thing, I never said anyone was wrong. And uhm, if someone has a different opinion isn't it natural that you think the other person is wrong?

No one put you down.

You twisted my words and tried to make it sound as though I was calling you simple, when I wasn't.

Nuff said, I'm done. :mad:
 
Originally posted by paul
I don't like seeing a driver just drive right into the rear end of another driver just to get them out of the way.
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I'm home sick (again), so I just watched a replay of the incident with Mayfield. Jr. did not get into the rear of him. They were racing side by side, and Mayfield was on the outside -- the place HS said was most dangerous in terms of passing. As they rounded the turn, Jr. went up the track while Mayfield was trying to pass him around the outside by coming down.

I'm not calling it a racin' deal or anything else. I'm just telling you what I saw.
 
If it was not on purpose then there is nothing anybody can do about it. I just hate to see people wreck cars, which so many people have worked on, just because some jerk wanted there spot. Seems kinda stupid and selfish in my mind.
 
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