Was Mark robbed?

Listening to Sirius they have an interesting take.
First it is at Nascar's discretion on whether or not to throw the yellow. Second, substitute Kyle Busch for Mark Martin and no one has a problem with the yellow not being thrown. But, because Martin is a sentimental choice that is why we are having the controversy.
I tend to agree with this.
 
Listening to Sirius they have an interesting take.
First it is at Nascar's discretion on whether or not to throw the yellow. Second, substitute Kyle Busch for Mark Martin and no one has a problem with the yellow not being thrown. But, because Martin is a sentimental choice that is why we are having the controversy.
I tend to agree with this.


I'm not a fan of either driver....i could careless if harvick or martin won.

i want nascar to stick to the same rules every race.

either nascar made the wrong call when Gordan won at Dega or they made the wrong call last night.

One of them was wrong and one was right..

I personally feel they made the right call with Gordan winning at Dega and missed the call last night.
 
I have watched many races both in person and on the TV... It seemed to me that it took longer to drop the yellow this time than EVER before. For NASCAR to drop the flag for rollbar padding on the track in bout 1/2 second and then take as long as it did at the end of this race seems kinda unusual to me.
Betsy:rolleyes:
 
I'm not a fan of either driver....i could careless if harvick or martin won.

i want nascar to stick to the same rules every race.

either nascar made the wrong call when Gordan won at Dega or they made the wrong call last night.

One of them was wrong and one was right..

I personally feel they made the right call with Gordan winning at Dega and missed the call last night.

I said it then - they made the wrong call in 2004 with Gordon and Junior. Espically considering it was Gordon's teammate that spun. Gordon was ahead for a couple of seconds - if that.
 
I said it then - they made the wrong call in 2004 with Gordon and Junior. Espically considering it was Gordon's teammate that spun. Gordon was ahead for a couple of seconds - if that.

It doesn't matter who was team mate to whom does it?
You said it then they made the wrong call and you say it now they made the wrong call. Which call is correct.

Oh, and for all those who have asked about my new avatar it very well could be a poster on here. But, they wished their identity kept secret.
Hmmm, maybe this could be a poll as well...
 
In this instance, how would have freezing the field changed anything with the wrecks? It wouldn't have. The track was blocked as soon as Bush got into Kenseth. Throwing the caution at that point wouldn't have prevented the other cars from getting involved.

I'm glad they let the leaders race back to the line. I hope they continue to do this.
BUT, it would have gave those who crashed their positions back via the scoring loop system.
 
BUT, it would have gave those who crashed their positions back via the scoring loop system.

Only if they were able to keep moving. If they are unable to get their car going then those who cross the FL ahead of them finish ahead of them.
 
It doesn't matter who was team mate to whom does it?
You said it then they made the wrong call and you say it now they made the wrong call. Which call is correct.
I think they made the wrong call in 2004; that's consistent with my other postings. I do think they made the right call on this one...

No matter what, NASCAR can't win.
 
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Again, I call it as I see it... The yellow FLAG is out - are the lights on?
 
If NASCAR throws the yellow as soon as Kyle Busch's car was sideways then dose that mean all the car's would have not wrecked. I still think that even at that point in time if NASCAR hit's the button then the 07 car still slides across the finish line upside down.

I think to fix this problem once in for all NASCAR needs to go to Saturday Night Dirt Track Rules with a twist. Ok hear it is.....

1. NASCAR Rule = If A Yellow Comes Out Even If The Car's Are Coming To The Line. The Field Will Be Lined Up & Brought Down Pit Road For Repair Tires & Fuel. At No Point Will Anyone Gain Or Lose A Position On Pit Road. Car's Will Line Up Under The Pase Car.

2. NASCAR Rule = After Pit Road & The Field Is Lined Up Then There Will Be A 5 Lap Shootout For The Win. The Race Must Not & Cannot End Under A Yellow. If Another Yellow Comes Out Then Will Bring The Field Down Pit Road Again For Tires & Fuel Then Another 5 Lap Shootout. The Race Must Go 5 Laps Of Green If Not Then We Start Over Etc Etc Etc.

What Do You Think?
 
All I have to say is,

we're off to a GREAT start this year! Y'all are ALL fired up! (a six page post! yay!) I can't wait to see what happens next week!

ps - I'm sad MM didn't win... I personall think they should have frozen the field, but the tricky part is 'when' ... maybe MM will rethink retiring after this year.... :O
 
I almost wish Martin would have won...just so I could have seen the look on Roush's face when he won it in a Chevy....:beerbang:
 
All I have to say is,

we're off to a GREAT start this year! Y'all are ALL fired up! (a six page post! yay!) I can't wait to see what happens next week!

ps - I'm sad MM didn't win... I personall think they should have frozen the field, but the tricky part is 'when' ... maybe MM will rethink retiring after this year.... :O

I hate to spoil it for ya' but my psychic says Kenseth will defend and that some long time Mark Martin haters are now jumping from the ship to the bandwagon.
 
I have watched many races both in person and on the TV... It seemed to me that it took longer to drop the yellow this time than EVER before. For NASCAR to drop the flag for rollbar padding on the track in bout 1/2 second and then take as long as it did at the end of this race seems kinda unusual to me.
Betsy:rolleyes:

They where to busy watching the race!
 
They where to busy watching the race!

That could well be. It's France, Helton and Darby with their fingers supposedly on the button, right? After watching a really good race for the last 15 laps they see all heck break loose on the last 300 yards. I could well see them looking at each other, taking a big gulp, and finally one of them pushing the button to bring out the yellow. It was pretty dramatic. :cool:
 
That could well be. It's France, Helton and Darby with their fingers supposedly on the button, right? After watching a really good race for the last 15 laps they see all heck break loose on the last 300 yards. I could well see them looking at each other, taking a big gulp, and finally one of them pushing the button to bring out the yellow. It was pretty dramatic. :cool:

LOL, Damned if we do and damned if we don't:D
 
LOL, Damned if we do and damned if we don't:D

At least if you do, you can say you followed the rules that you have created and will take a long hard look at the rule and make changes if necessary...not make changes as you go.
 
Maybe they did make changes to the rule and we just missed it.
I can see it now, France, Helton and Darby are sitting in the control booth watching the mayhem unfold below them.

France looks over to Helton, "Well, Mike what do you think? Is this 'Dega all over?"
Helton, "You know Brian, maybe we need to change that rule", as Bowyer flips upside down, catches on fire and starts his 100 yard slide down the front stretch. "John, what do you think?"
Darby, between pursed lips, "Mike, I don't got time to look out the damn window. You know at these events I have to keep my lips firmly planted on Brian's hindquarters so they don't get cold".
Brian, "Well, it's settled then. We don't need no damn redneck Lil'E fans ruining my beautiful Daytona track with their low rent Bud beer cans and trash. Having to look at their tattooed, belly button pierced big hair too much makeup women is enough. Wait until Mark and Kevn cross the finish line and then throw the caution. We can always put out conflicting messages. These morons won't even know the difference. As long as they keep shelling out the long green who cares who wins".
Helton, "Damn, did you see Gilliland go shooting up onto the track. He could have hit another car broadside and gone airborne thru the safety fencing and killed a bunch of people"!!
John Darby, "smooch, smooch" "Damn, he farted again. His farts smell worse than his old man's".
Brian, "You don't think he would have hurt any of the stars, celebrities or dignitaries do you?"
Helton, "Nah, just some of those low rent red necks you're always talking about. They breed like rabbits and can easily be replaced. Besides, think of the publicity if David had gone thru the fence. We would have sold out all these damn tracks for people hoping it would happen again. Blood thirsty #2$&*."

:)
 
In this instance, how would have freezing the field changed anything with the wrecks? It wouldn't have. The track was blocked as soon as Bush got into Kenseth. Throwing the caution at that point wouldn't have prevented the other cars from getting involved.

I'm glad they let the leaders race back to the line. I hope they continue to do this.

My feelings exactly, the race for the win was between 2 cars not 30, it wouldn't have changed the outcome by throwing the yellow and by throwing the yellow it wouldn't have prevented the wreck.
 
All I have to say is,

we're off to a GREAT start this year! Y'all are ALL fired up! (a six page post! yay!) I can't wait to see what happens next week!

ps - I'm sad MM didn't win... I personall think they should have frozen the field, but the tricky part is 'when' ... maybe MM will rethink retiring after this year.... :O

He better retire, i'm so sick of that crap, isn't he only supposed to run 20 races this year?
 
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