Way too much whining in NASCAR now

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Digger

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Shut up and drive!

I can hear it now, more than seven years after his death -- Dale Earnhardt's gruff admonition to fellow drivers with complaints about racecars, racetracks, tires or NASCAR rules they didn't particularly like.

As much as anyone, Earnhardt was willing to play the hand he was dealt, and that might be a lesson to those who have followed in his tire tracks.

Almost as soon as the engines stopped whining after Sunday's Samsung 500 Sprint Cup race at Texas Motor Speedway, another kind of whining began -- from the drivers. Jimmie Johnson was the latest to join the chorus, complaining about the aero-dependency and lack of downforce, specifically the lack of forward bite, on NASCAR's new racecar.

Johnson didn't sound like a driver who had just finished second to Carl Edwards in a 339-lap marathon at the 1.5-mile track.

"I was really shocked today in how bad the cars drove in traffic," said Johnson, who chased Edwards for the final 106 laps. "At the last two intermediate tracks, our stuff had bigger problems than worrying about how the car drove.

"I really think we need to look at some changes to help these cars not be so aero-dependent. They are safer, they are doing a lot of things the right way, but we really need to look at making some changes so these cars can have a little more downforce. So when we get into low downforce situations, there is more grip in the car."

Admittedly, the new car isn't perfect. Its general tendency is to be loose entering a corner (with the rear end tending to slide out), snug in the center of the corner (or difficult to turn) and loose again on corner exit. It's also true that the car is every bit as much engineering-dependent as it is aero-dependent.

Achieving an ideal setup for the car requires analyzing a set of interrelated variables. Trial-and-error crew chiefs need not apply. In other words, before calling for a round down on the panhard bar or a half-pound increase in air pressure in the right rear tire, there had better be seven-post rig data or a computer simulation to back it up.

Johnson said the handling of the new car was such an issue that he was scared to race side-by-side with another car. In fairness to the two-time Cup champion, Johnson's isn't the only voice that has called for improvements to the car this year.

Tony Stewart was strident in his criticism of the car/tire combination at Atlanta. Sunday's third-place finisher, Kyle Busch, has been a vocal critic of the new car, but after the race, he deflected questions on whether the car had rendered the racing boring.

No, the Samsung 500 wasn't the nail-biter that Texas hosted last spring, when Jeff Burton beat Matt Kenseth with a last-lap pass, or last fall, when Johnson held off Kenseth during an exhilarating closing run. But remember, the new car is a work in progress, and as teams learn the intricacies of its operation, the racing will improve -- as it already has done at tracks the Cup series has visited for the second or third time.

The new car proved its mettle Friday afternoon when Michael McDowell put its safety enhancements to the acid test in a jolting collision with the Turn 1 wall. McDowell walked away, and on Saturday he was in sufficiently high spirits to crack jokes during an interview session. That, in itself, should be enough to earn a stamp of approval.

An icon in another sport, Jack Nicklaus, used to visit the locker room before a major championship and listen to what his fellow competitors were saying. Nicklaus took particular note if a player was complaining about the difficulty of the course, the thickness of the rough, the speed of the greens or the way the bunkers were raked. One by one, Nicklaus would check them off as players he didn't have to worry about that week.

Edwards has won three of the seven races this year. Maybe the fact he thinks driving the new car is fun has something to do with that.

"I don't want to get on a rant here, but let me state my position very clearly," Edwards said. "I've heard people say that the races are boring, and people always want something to complain about -- if it's too hard to drive, you don't get enough side-by-side racing.

"The fact is that these are the 43 best drivers in the world. The cars have 900 horsepower and go 200 miles an hour, and the track is slippery and the tires are slippery, and that's a spectacle -- and that's what it's supposed to be. It's not supposed to be easy for everyone. It's not supposed to be driving down the interstate. I'm tired of hearing people complain, the media making up stories about how terrible it is and stuff.

"This is auto racing."

Sounds a lot like "Shut up and drive" to me.

© 2008 The Sporting News

OOOOHHH SNAP! :D

Well said, Carl. :beerbang:

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24014524/
 
Of course Edwards is going to respond like that, especially after winning three races on tracks that are similar. But when 42 other guys are complaining that they can't run side by side... there are definitely issues with the new car. The only way things are going to change is if the drivers complain. Only until the driver's concerns are taken into account and changes are made on the new car will the complaining stop and racing will become exciting again.
 
Of course Edwards is going to respond like that, especially after winning three races on tracks that are similar. But when 42 other guys are complaining that they can't run side by side... there are definitely issues with the new car. The only way things are going to change is if the drivers complain. Only until the driver's concerns are taken into account and changes are made on the new car will the complaining stop and racing will become exciting again.

I think they need to get off those cookie cutter racetracks. The new cars aren't making them boring.

Texas, Pocono, California, Michigan, Las Vegas, Chicago and Kansas have been boring races for years and years. Us fans have had the same complaints, and the only people who like those tracks are the people who live in those areas that aren't coming to the races anyways.

Fans didn't complain about races being boring when we raced at Bristol or North Wilkesboro or Riverside or Rockingham. Of course, the drivers didn't like those tracks either because they had to drive the racecar. So, they get more brand new cookie cutter tracks because these new drivers that were bred in California are too pussified to race on short tracks. I've already given the answer to all the complaints - more short tracks.

Race at Memphis, Mansfield, Eldora, USA International Raceway, Springfield Mile, Hagerstown, Houston Raceway Park, Irwindale, Bakersfield, Chicago Speedway, I-70. That's where we want races.

Oh wait, then Jimmie Johnson will complain about having to turn the wheel too much. :rolleyes:
 
i find it intriguing that your the one that started this thread LOL.
 
I think the drivers will have to adjust their driving style somewhat with these new cars on the cookie cutter tracks. But the biggest part of it is the car.
 
I think the drivers will have to adjust their driving style somewhat with these new cars on the cookie cutter tracks. But the biggest part of it is the car.

I say they need to go back to the short tracks.

What if I'm tired of the same cars winning at the same designed tracks every week. It does get boring. And these boring tracks make up most of our schedule.
 
Oh wait, then Jimmie Johnson will complain about having to turn the wheel too much. :rolleyes:

Jimmie has won on just about every kind of track, so whatever. Hasn't he won at Martinsville, even? Yeah - I'd say that has to be the direct polar-opposite from a cookie-cutter.

What is also interesting about the article, when it was Dale Jarrett and Tony Stewart complaining - no one said anything. But OH LAWD NO, let Jimmie complain and all of a sudden "it's everyone".

Someone new complains every week.

Why didn't Edwards complain, and touted the COT so highly? Well let's see, for starters HE WON. Secondly, he's on some pretty thin ice for tampering with the oil tank, remember? So I'd guess he'd go out of his way to say everything he could IN FAVOR of NASCAR at the moment. If he didn't some reporter someplace would say; "WE KNEW IT! He really did tamper with the tank! Carl hates the car and that's why they did it!"

Every driver except a select few have complained about the tires, car, the rulings, or something else related. Now all of a sudden because it's Jimmie and the defending Champ they're all "whiners". If the drivers don't complain, it doesn't get fixed, so whatever.
 
I say they need to go back to the short tracks.

What if I'm tired of the same cars winning at the same designed tracks every week. It does get boring. And these boring tracks make up most of our schedule.

Have you ever attended a race at Vegas? If you haven't then you can't make a fair assesment of what racing is really like there. It is awesome, the track is awesome, the entire experience is awesome. So before you go trashing a track get all the facts first.
 
i find it intriguing that your the one that started this thread LOL.
You said it before I could get it done. Well done. What's this called, the pot calling the kettle black?

We should start a poll asking how many threads has Andy started that were positive? But then again, it would probably go unread.

Way to go Andy, only you could come up with something like this one.
 
too many commercials. so and so network sux...... they pick on Robbie....lmao..... those too....lol
I agree more with what a few said though, I dont think it is the cars, so much as the drivers and the tracks that are makin NASCAR less interestin...... more color from drivers ( emmotions etc) and less cookie cutter tracks..... forget diversity in locations, give us diversity in TYPES of tracks......
 
I thought that was the point of the COT, make them hard to drive, not like driving down the freeway. I bet they still drive better than the old buicks, olds, t-birds and monte carlos used to back in the day!!
 
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