Well it looks like we are getting it.

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Just read this on NASCAR.com

NASCAR dot com article

Seems Mike Helton is ready to announce a new rule about ending most races under green........apparently using the "Green-White-Checkered" format. I think the difference from what the trucks use will be there will be the number of times GWC will be done each race.....that is good. I still don't know if this a good idea........we'll see. I do think there will problems just like the no racing back rule. Problems we have not thought about so I doubt everyone will be pleased after a few times of doing the extra laps. I can see where it will benefit teams that have planned on it's possible use with strategy during the race......and for those who might have gambled that it would not be a GWC, it might just ruin a win for them. We'll cry, we'll find someone to blame and we'll invent a new conspiracy in the coming months! :D But, it'll be fun.....until we have a "big one" on the white flag or last lap. :huh:

I've got mixed feelings...........I'm sure most of you folks don't. :cheers:
 
I like it, simply because these teams better start planning on it and make sure they got enough gas. Hopefully it'll help put an end to these fuel milage races.
 
Originally posted by Eagle1@Jul 10 2004, 07:12 PM
I like it, simply because these teams better start planning on it and make sure they got enough gas. Hopefully it'll help put an end to these fuel milage races.
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I think it's an ok idea for Green, white, checker. I still Think the plate tracks should end under caution or G, G, W, C for safety reasons. I also don't mind races being won on fuel mileage. It gives the teams that work harder on engine tuning and picking the right gear or carb the win that they worked hard for. It's a team effort not just the driver.
 
I don;t like it,mainly because the teams plan mileage and strategy on,for example,a 500 mile race,not a 503 mile race race or whatever,undoubtedly there will be races that will be lost because of this whitw,white,green flag deal.But what raelly irks Me is that NASCAR's only doing this in response to some rowdy fans throwing crap onto track at Talladega,look for future antics froma few fans whenever They want a new rule/change,it stinks IMHO.
I agree with Bucky that the new rule should not be used at the plate races,I,for one,don;t care to see "the big one" on a last lap or two restart,saftely should be of paramount concern and a late restart at a plate track is just asking for trouble.
 
I think Mike made it perfectly clear that the reason for the change is not in response to the beer chucking fans at Talladega. I've heard a ton of fans that did not throw crap scream for GWC...........why is it so hard to believe that NASCAR didn't hear those same fans? Let's not call Mike Helton a liar on this one......he stated why and we owe him the benefit of the doubt, at least. I'm a skeptical one on the whole rule.......but, we haven't seen what it's all about yet. Let's let it play out first. Instead of flat out refuting what has been officially stated.
 
We DO realise that this could be avoided if NASCAR would run back to the yellow and not act stupidly and take 100 laps trying to figure out someone's position
 
I'm wondering, and will wait to see.

Looks like the CTS race will be G/W/C again tonight!
 
i wonder if they'll announce how many times they're going to try to finish g/w/c, or if it'll be left up in the air until the day that they decide it becomes an issue?

example...say the first few times the do the g/w/c, the race ends on the first or second try...and everything's good...then, they have one race where the yellow comes out after the second try at a green flag finish, and they'll decide at that moment whether they'll throw a third green. knowing the way things have gone, for whatever reason, the first time they have to decide on the spot, it'll benefit either jeffrey or junior...either one of them would be in danger of running out of gas while leading if nascare tried a third time, or one of them would be running 2nd and the leader would be close to running out of gas, or some other situation would exist...and nascare's decision would end up benefitting one of them...

hopefully, nascare decides to make it clear exactly how many times they would try prior to the situation coming up.

...anyways, i'm against it. as it is, they have to qualify, practice, and race a few hundred miles on one engine, and the engines are pretty much designed to go that distance and not much more. now, mid-season, after the engines are probably all built, or almost all built, to prepare for the long stretch of races without a break, nascare is going to make a decision that could put many more miles on the engines...not just 3, 6, or 9 more laps (which could be up to 24 miles), but the unknown number of laps they'd spend under caution.

add to that the extra time added to the end of a race...it could conceivably take 45 minutes to run the final "3" laps, if there were wrecks, scoring problems, trash thrown on the racetrack, cars running out of gas that need to be cleared off the track, and who knows what else...

have you ever seen a close basketball game where both teams have a bunch of time-outs left in the final "one minute" of play? it can take forever to finish.

it made sense to do it in the truck series when they ran competition cautions and everybody pitted at the same time, and it's not so bad even now because the races are kind of short...but can you imagine watching a cup race for nearly four hours, then having to spend another 45 minutes for the last "3" laps? it could happen.

it would be much easier, in my opinion, to let them race back to the yellow, at least in the laps after the cut-off for throwing a red (not a practice i support, btw, just modifying the rule they already have in place)...in which case the fans would just essentially see the race end a few laps early. if something happens that needs tended to promptly or that would otherwise neccesitate having the cars not race back to the yellow, then throw the red (or a red and yellow together)...and then, in that case only, if they feel so inclined, they could throw one g/w/c to try for a green flag finish.
 
See what happened to Kasey, Thats what you will see in G,W,C. So everyone that says "I never want to see a driver in a crash, I don't want to see anyone hurt" or or "They really got to get the costs of racing down." This should have a possible impact on all of that. You just voted for all of that.
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Originally posted by Bucky Badger@Jul 12 2004, 08:16 AM
See what happened to Kasey, Thats what you will see in G,W,C. So everyone that says "I never want to see a driver in a crash, I don't want to see anyone hurt" or or "They really got to get the costs of racing down." This should have a possible impact on all of that. You just voted for all of that.
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By that logic, we should ban restarts period.

Sorry, restarts happen in races. Wrecks happen in restarts. Wreck happen when there aren't restarts. Wreck happen with 1, 2 or 3 to go when there are restarts. Wrecks happen with 1, 2, or 3 to go when there aren't restarts.

As the cliche goes " That's Racin' ".
 
Originally posted by barelypure@Jul 12 2004, 08:04 AM
It's a bad idea. And, it is pandering to the fans and TV.
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Exactly, If there is a crash within the last 5 laps, why should that be treated any different than if it happens on lap 20. They through the yellow and go back to green when everything is clean up. If they run out of laps before the chance to go green, Tooooooooooooo Baaaaaaaddddddddd!!!!!! That's the way it should end.
 
Originally posted by TonyB+Jul 12 2004, 08:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TonyB @ Jul 12 2004, 08:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Bucky Badger@Jul 12 2004, 08:16 AM
See what happened to Kasey, Thats what you will see in G,W,C. So everyone that says "I never want to see a driver in a crash, I don't want to see anyone hurt" or or "They really got to get the costs of racing down." This should have a possible impact on all of that. You just voted for all of that.
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By that logic, we should ban restarts period.

Sorry, restarts happen in races. Wrecks happen in restarts. Wreck happen when there aren't restarts. Wreck happen with 1, 2 or 3 to go when there are restarts. Wrecks happen with 1, 2, or 3 to go when there aren't restarts.

As the cliche goes " That's Racin' ". [/b][/quote]
There is a bigger, a way bigger temptation for a driver to run another over at a restart with 2 laps of racing to get the win.
 
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