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DUPONT_24_fan
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What do you think of "RICE" coming into NASCAR?
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pbunch
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Is he gonna be driven a Catarac,Or a Rinkon continental?
be9ak7ts16
Johali Lives
GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRR
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TN-Ward-Fan
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The day it is allowed, I walk away from the sport. Period. No debate, no discussion.
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DUPONT_24_fan
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I know I HATE the Idea of JAPANESE coming into nascar! They want Nascar to change some of their rules "JUST FOR THEM". I like it the way it is: CHEVY, DODGE, PONTIAC, and FORD! ALL AMERICAN MADE!
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abooja
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If they let Japanese car manufacturers in, then the Germans and Swedes can't be too far behind. I like foreign cars, but I don't want to see them racing in NASCAR.
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followthe18
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put your walking boots on....
Can't say I like it either but it's gonna happen.
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TN-Ward-Fan
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And you base that statement on what, exactly?
I recall several years ago Honda made plans to enter a car in NASCAR. Their cars have anough of them built in America to qualify by some standard as American made. Never happened. I don't look for it to happen, but if you have something showing plans by one or more of them I for one would like to see it.
I recall several years ago Honda made plans to enter a car in NASCAR. Their cars have anough of them built in America to qualify by some standard as American made. Never happened. I don't look for it to happen, but if you have something showing plans by one or more of them I for one would like to see it.
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followthe18
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Toyota is already in the Dash series. They're making a push to get the Tundra into the CTS. That's all I have though.
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DUPONT_24_fan
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I'd rather see a German or Swede car in NASCAR over a DAMN RICE BURNER!Originally posted by abooja
If they let Japanese car manufacturers in, then the Germans and Swedes can't be too far behind. I like foreign cars, but I don't want to see them racing in NASCAR.
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Alaska
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Outside of a new make on the track, what rules do they want changed?
I agree though, keep it American brands.
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DUPONT_24_fan
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They want to change the FEUL INJECTION rules so that they can compete fairly!
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66mustang
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I think that NASCAR could build a seperate series for the imports.
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DUPONT_24_fan
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NO THEY CAN BUILD THEIR OWN SERIES!!!!!!! I dont want any JAP car under the NASCAR NAME!
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66mustang
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I said that because they are already coming to NASCAR. If they have "American Made" and "Import" series they will never mix is what I'm thinkin.
HELL NO......NO RICE BUNNERS IN MY SPORT
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66mustang
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As much as I hate them too (look a signiture) it is going to happen one day. Even the "American Made" cars aren't built in America anymore.
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NateDogg
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hate to say it but they are coming, they implanted themsleves in the dash series and they have a celica in NHRA, but it has HEMI power under the hood, so if they have to come hopefully they will come with american power but I would doubt it
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66mustang
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Wouldn't they have to? I wonder if they could use their little VTEC engine or whatever it is called.
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DUPONT_24_fan
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They have to come up with a V-8 with enough horsepower to get in. Look at the problems DODGE had getting into the sport....they had to get a V-8 plus a car with a long enough wheel base. I know its wrong, but I hope they have the same probs or more getting in.
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66mustang
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Me too, but they will find a solution.
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ParkHere
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Can we all please be a bit more civil and NOT call them "rice burners" or "Jap"? Both terms are offensive.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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66mustang
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Sorry ParkHere. Is imports ok though?
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ParkHere
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That's fine, 66...as is Japanese.
And ya'll realize that a lot of the imports are built right here in the good ole US of A? So doesn't that make them American?
And ya'll realize that a lot of the imports are built right here in the good ole US of A? So doesn't that make them American?
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66mustang
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I didn't think that they built the imports here. It seems like more and more cars are being built outside of the US including the "American Made" cars.
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smack500
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last time I checked foreign cars were already in nascar lol 80% of fords vehicles are made in other countrys and several of there vehicles were designed by sweds I dont consider them an american company gmc's vehicles 25% of there vehicles are made in other countrys and that percentage has risen over the years most of dodges vehicles are designed by germans
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smack500
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And also I say again if this means so much to all of you then protest it make a petition go here and make one for free http://www.petitiononline.com/ but your wasteing your time though really a friend of mine got a petition started to stop the bill from being passed that fbi could read our email and listen to our phone calls without a warrent we had over 4 million signatures they didnt even make a comment about it and the bill was passed this is a little diffrent but Im betting the outcome will be the same I myself wouldnt mind other countrys getting more into the sport I wouldnt mind Cascar and nascar merging again that JMO Location means squat to me the more companys that come over here from other countrys the more business thats here the more it helps out any type of selling over here requires taxes so alot of the money still goes to our economy
be9ak7ts16
Johali Lives
Is Saki Sucker OK to use?????????
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pbunch
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They will prolly run a Japenese Beatle with a slant 6 be my guess.
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71Fan
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What about Jap Crap?
OK, enough of the derogatory remarks.
If you want to say imports or Japanese, that's fine. But please stop with the slurs.
When/if NASCAR decides to allow foreign makes into racing, I will still be a fan. I support my drivers, no matter what kind of car they drive.
And, let's face facts, there are an awful lot of Americans that drive foreign cars who might like to see their cars get into racing.
If you want to say imports or Japanese, that's fine. But please stop with the slurs.
When/if NASCAR decides to allow foreign makes into racing, I will still be a fan. I support my drivers, no matter what kind of car they drive.
And, let's face facts, there are an awful lot of Americans that drive foreign cars who might like to see their cars get into racing.
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DUPONT_24_fan
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No............They are JAPANESE, and KOREAN COMPANIES! People just dont get it. Americas Auto Economy is quickly becoming "ASIAN". What happened to GOOD OL AMERICAN OWNED AND MADE PRIDE? It went out the window when PREZ JOHNSON let the ASIAN market in! Why did He let them in....MORE CHOICE! But I have a question about that.....why did we need more choice? We had the BIG 3; FORD, GM, and CHRYSLER! Because enough CHOICE! THEY WANTED MORE CHOICE!!!! How much choice do they want? Well it sure seems enough choice to cost AMERICAS INTEGRITY! The choice just told American companies that they build CRAP! And that JAP is better. That put alot of people out of work.Originally posted by ParkHere
That's fine, 66...as is Japanese.
And ya'll realize that a lot of the imports are built right here in the good ole US of A? So doesn't that make them American?
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71Fan
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To Keep America Strong, Buy American.
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DUPONT_24_fan
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RIGHT ON 71fan!
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smack500
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gmc ford and chrysler are still the top selling cars in america honda ant toyota are nowhere near to selling as many total cars in this country as they do but our companys sell in just about every other country now heck just like I said earlier most of the cars being sold from those companys arent even made over here nor are they designed by americans this world is run by business now all companys just about are going international nascar will not stop them from coming in and toyota is world wide they definitely have the financial backing to be able to create anything nascar needs them to do theyll prolly be in nascar in 5 to 8 years
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smack500
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Bye-Bye, American Car
John Turrettini, 05.27.02
Detroit is waving the white flag and is handing the engineering of its cars over to its foreign partners.
By the time the Model T celebrates its centenary in 2008, Ford Motor will mostly have given up on the American car. Oh, it will still design their bodies and assemble and sell them. But it will be foreign engineers who design the guts of the machines--the suspension, underbody and mechanical gear that determine how a car handles. For instance, Ford's new high-end family car, the 500, which will come out in two years, will be in large part a modified Swedish Volvo S80.
Why is Detroit throwing in the towel? Because its engineers have gotten killed in the past two decades by their overseas competitors, and because it's one more way to cut costs. As a result of the many foreign auto alliances they have made over the past decade, the U.S. companies can now tap the very engineering expertise that laid them low. The idea: Reduce the enormous U.S. development costs and create a generation of American-badged cars that are engineered abroad--and drive like imports. The shells--what you "see, feel and touch," in the words of Richard Schaum, a vice president of Chrysler--will be American-designed.
The savings should be huge--maybe even enough to finally start justifying those costly foreign acquisitions. Christopher Cedergren, the head of Nextrend, an auto consultancy in Los Angeles, estimates that it costs a U.S. automaker $1.2 billion to develop a new midsize car. But if the automaker builds it off of somebody else's underbody, the development cost is halved, to an estimated $600 million. So Ford's new 500 line could by itself eventually recoup 10% of the $6 billion Ford paid to acquire Volvo's passenger car line in 2000.
Imports, such as the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry, have been clobbering Detroit's cars for years. This year, for the first time, Detroit's American brands, such as Chevrolet and Ford, are selling fewer cars than the import nameplates. That 49% market share is down from 75% 20 years ago, an annual loss to Detroit of more than 2 million cars, $50 billion in revenue. The last American hit was the 1986 Ford Taurus; before that you have to go back to 1978 to find another, the Oldsmobile Cutlass.
Of course we're talking about only half of Detroit's business, the vehicles called "cars." The other half of passenger vehicles is "light trucks," or sport utility vehicles (SUVs), minivans and pickups. Trucks are still very American. The distinction is arbitrary; all of these are used primarily as passenger vehicles. Last year Detroit rolled out exactly one new car, Ford's niche-market Thunderbird, while it unveiled seven new SUVs. Light trucks make up 75% of Chrysler's unit sales, 56% of Ford's and 50% of GM's.
In the car-half of the vehicle market, American offerings have only two strong selling points: price and patriotism. So the Big Three have decided that if you can't beat them, you should join them. The next generation of American cars should boast the sharp handling that now characterizes Japanese and European cars.
Chrysler (German-owned since 1998) will give its Crossfire coupe a 40% parts overlap with Mercedes and will even build the car in Germany. It will also borrow heavily from Mercedes for its Concorde and 300M luxury-car replacements, due mid-decade. Among their components will be Mercedes transmissions.
DaimlerChrysler acquired a 34% stake in Mitsubishi for $2 billion in 2000. Here's the payoff: Chrysler's 2004 and 2005 successors to the small and midsize Neon and Stratus will roll on the same Mitsubishi underbodies that will be used for Mitsubishi's next generation of Lancers and Galants. The replacements for Neon and Stratus will share as much as 65% of their parts with the equivalent Mitsubishis--engines, suspensions, transmissions and underbodies.
Similarly, Ford plans to base its replacement for the bread-and-butter Taurus, due in a few years, on a variation of a Mazda underbody, according to industry gossip. Ford owns 33% of the Japanese company. Already, Ford's subcompact Focus is completely designed and engineered in Europe. Once the Focus, new Taurus and 500 are all out, only such relatively low-volume Ford models as the Mustang, Crown Victoria and Lincoln will continue to be engineered in the U.S.
At GM, which is more reliant on cars and has many more models and brands, the export of engineering is only somewhat less extreme. GM's Saturn midsize sedan is engineered by its German affiliate Opel, the Pontiac Vibe compact by Toyota, and next year's Pontiac GTO by Holden, its Australian affiliate. GM has also announced plans to replace its family cars, the Chevy Malibu and Pontiac Grand Am, with cars engineered mainly by its European affiliates Opel and Saab.
Detroit is being careful to avoid a mistake it made once before. These new cross-engineered cars won't be "world cars"--a single model with identical styling for all markets. In the early 1990s Ford came to rue its $6 billion gamble on that idea: its Mondeo/Contour lookalike car for all markets. A compact car, it sold well in Europe but flopped in the U.S. because of its small size and high price. The thinking now is to keep the styling of each model different.
Will any of this persuade Americans to buy Big Three cars? Who knows? But until that question is answered, Detroit will at least be saving a bundle.
http://www.forbes.com/global/2002/0527/019.html
John Turrettini, 05.27.02
Detroit is waving the white flag and is handing the engineering of its cars over to its foreign partners.
By the time the Model T celebrates its centenary in 2008, Ford Motor will mostly have given up on the American car. Oh, it will still design their bodies and assemble and sell them. But it will be foreign engineers who design the guts of the machines--the suspension, underbody and mechanical gear that determine how a car handles. For instance, Ford's new high-end family car, the 500, which will come out in two years, will be in large part a modified Swedish Volvo S80.
Why is Detroit throwing in the towel? Because its engineers have gotten killed in the past two decades by their overseas competitors, and because it's one more way to cut costs. As a result of the many foreign auto alliances they have made over the past decade, the U.S. companies can now tap the very engineering expertise that laid them low. The idea: Reduce the enormous U.S. development costs and create a generation of American-badged cars that are engineered abroad--and drive like imports. The shells--what you "see, feel and touch," in the words of Richard Schaum, a vice president of Chrysler--will be American-designed.
The savings should be huge--maybe even enough to finally start justifying those costly foreign acquisitions. Christopher Cedergren, the head of Nextrend, an auto consultancy in Los Angeles, estimates that it costs a U.S. automaker $1.2 billion to develop a new midsize car. But if the automaker builds it off of somebody else's underbody, the development cost is halved, to an estimated $600 million. So Ford's new 500 line could by itself eventually recoup 10% of the $6 billion Ford paid to acquire Volvo's passenger car line in 2000.
Imports, such as the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry, have been clobbering Detroit's cars for years. This year, for the first time, Detroit's American brands, such as Chevrolet and Ford, are selling fewer cars than the import nameplates. That 49% market share is down from 75% 20 years ago, an annual loss to Detroit of more than 2 million cars, $50 billion in revenue. The last American hit was the 1986 Ford Taurus; before that you have to go back to 1978 to find another, the Oldsmobile Cutlass.
Of course we're talking about only half of Detroit's business, the vehicles called "cars." The other half of passenger vehicles is "light trucks," or sport utility vehicles (SUVs), minivans and pickups. Trucks are still very American. The distinction is arbitrary; all of these are used primarily as passenger vehicles. Last year Detroit rolled out exactly one new car, Ford's niche-market Thunderbird, while it unveiled seven new SUVs. Light trucks make up 75% of Chrysler's unit sales, 56% of Ford's and 50% of GM's.
In the car-half of the vehicle market, American offerings have only two strong selling points: price and patriotism. So the Big Three have decided that if you can't beat them, you should join them. The next generation of American cars should boast the sharp handling that now characterizes Japanese and European cars.
Chrysler (German-owned since 1998) will give its Crossfire coupe a 40% parts overlap with Mercedes and will even build the car in Germany. It will also borrow heavily from Mercedes for its Concorde and 300M luxury-car replacements, due mid-decade. Among their components will be Mercedes transmissions.
DaimlerChrysler acquired a 34% stake in Mitsubishi for $2 billion in 2000. Here's the payoff: Chrysler's 2004 and 2005 successors to the small and midsize Neon and Stratus will roll on the same Mitsubishi underbodies that will be used for Mitsubishi's next generation of Lancers and Galants. The replacements for Neon and Stratus will share as much as 65% of their parts with the equivalent Mitsubishis--engines, suspensions, transmissions and underbodies.
Similarly, Ford plans to base its replacement for the bread-and-butter Taurus, due in a few years, on a variation of a Mazda underbody, according to industry gossip. Ford owns 33% of the Japanese company. Already, Ford's subcompact Focus is completely designed and engineered in Europe. Once the Focus, new Taurus and 500 are all out, only such relatively low-volume Ford models as the Mustang, Crown Victoria and Lincoln will continue to be engineered in the U.S.
At GM, which is more reliant on cars and has many more models and brands, the export of engineering is only somewhat less extreme. GM's Saturn midsize sedan is engineered by its German affiliate Opel, the Pontiac Vibe compact by Toyota, and next year's Pontiac GTO by Holden, its Australian affiliate. GM has also announced plans to replace its family cars, the Chevy Malibu and Pontiac Grand Am, with cars engineered mainly by its European affiliates Opel and Saab.
Detroit is being careful to avoid a mistake it made once before. These new cross-engineered cars won't be "world cars"--a single model with identical styling for all markets. In the early 1990s Ford came to rue its $6 billion gamble on that idea: its Mondeo/Contour lookalike car for all markets. A compact car, it sold well in Europe but flopped in the U.S. because of its small size and high price. The thinking now is to keep the styling of each model different.
Will any of this persuade Americans to buy Big Three cars? Who knows? But until that question is answered, Detroit will at least be saving a bundle.
http://www.forbes.com/global/2002/0527/019.html
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DUPONT_24_fan
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That was the LONGEST damn Sentence I ever read, and evidently you haven't ended it yet.
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smack500
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Thats pretty sad you got nothing else to comment on then grammer, whats next spelling.I figured you were intelligent enough to figure out what I was saying without correct grammer, but hey I can admit when I am wrong.
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smack500
Guest
the fact is american manufactors are not really american anymore, they get most of there vehicles created, and designed in other countrys now.They also sell there cars in other countrys and get alot of money from it which alot of it comes to our economy, so you want them to stop that? It would be hypicritical to say only american companies should be able to sell here and then say our companies are allowed to be sold in other countries.
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DUPONT_24_fan
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I do want to correct you on one other thing....Daimler-Chrysler is more of a merger...They don't own the whole company. My thing is I would buy the American NAME products rather than the ASIAN product...It's all about HISTORY my friend!