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This was posted on my board, so I thought I'd ask it over here to see what you guys and gals think.

If Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon swapped crew chiefs and were given 5-6 races to get adjusted, who would win more races?

I have my answer, but I'll wait until some responses are posted first.
 
I dunno, I think Jimmie would still win more races, but they would be close.
 
If you swapped Jimmie Johnson with AJ Allmendinger in the #48 and #43 who would win more races?
 
Probably jeff. I guess it would also depend on how much actual information is shared during the week, but even then I'd say jeff, mostly because letarte's raceday calls haven't been that great.
 
wait a minute! Isn't Jimmy the father of Jeff's kid???:confused:

Or is it the other way around?:confused:
 
I think just the age difference might be all that would seperate them. Poor Kasey Khane was so frustrated after the Vegas race that he said NASCAR should think about penalizing the Hendrick teams by 20 horsepower. :D
 
Probably jeff. I guess it would also depend on how much actual information is shared during the week, but even then I'd say jeff, mostly because letarte's raceday calls haven't been that great.
right, letarte is no chad knaus (or ray evernham).
 
JJ would still win. Although I cannot stand the fact that JJ keeps winning, I do belive that he has an uncanny ability to communicate car issues to a CC better than anyone and that is very important.
 
Johnson would still win more races. Gordon is nearing the end of his career while Johnson still has most of his before him. But if you put Knaus on anyone's team and they'll win more. What makes the #48 team to tough to beat is they have an A+ driver and crew chief.

Gordon would certainly win a few races with Knaus on the pit box, but Gordon has 3 years left in NASCAR at most as a full-time driver. Hell, he freqeuntly talks about retirement in interviews, so you know it's on his mind. What man wouldn't want to retire and spend more time with a wife like Ingrid?
 
he freqeuntly talks about retirement in interviews, so you know it's on his mind. What man wouldn't want to retire and spend more time with a wife like Ingrid?

I guess his plans have changed.

From Scene Daily.....

Jeff Gordon feeling better than ever and has no plans to retire any time soon

LAS VEGAS – A few years ago, Jeff Gordon had a plan, and that plan didn’t include racing past the age of 40.

His back hurt, he had just gotten married, and then his daughter was born. He was settling into family life, and he just didn’t see himself driving a stock car much longer.

But now that Gordon is 38 – and with a second child on the way – he doesn’t see himself retiring anytime soon.

You see, Gordon is feeling much better these days. He’s working out and is in better shape than he was a few years ago and feels like he could race until he is …

… well, maybe not until he’s Mark Martin’s age, but at least well into his 40s.

“I don’t think I’m going to be driving at 50, but I don’t want to say that definitely,” Gordon said prior to the season. “I want to drive as long as I’m healthy and as long as [team owner] Rick [Hendrick] wants me in the car.

“I think Mark, if you had asked him [a few years ago], he probably would have said he wouldn’t be racing at 50, either. Things change, life changes.”

What has changed for Gordon is his new-found commitment to physical fitness and a workout routine that has him feeling better than he has in years.

Gordon, who will start on the front row for today’s Shelby American at Las Vegas Motor Speedway, says his routine has strengthened his ailing back and helped him better withstand the pain that threatened his career a few years ago.

Gordon said Friday that his physical conditioning has prompted him to alter his plans for the future.

"At the time, five or six years ago, that's the way I felt [about retiring],” he said. “And when the back thing came up, I thought that it could be something that could hamper me.

“I wish I'd started the physical fitness training sooner because I feel like it would have helped. But I got a little lazy and won a bunch of races and got lazy and so it happens. And then you lose a bunch of races and some championships and it makes you have to dig deeper and work harder. And when the team is doing all that they are doing, I don't want to have any excuses out there.”

Gordon said prior to the season that his back injury, which required several intense treatments in lieu of surgery, prompted him to consider a physical fitness routine for the first in his career.

Unlike today’s top drivers, Gordon said he rarely worked out when he began racing in NASCAR’s top series in the mid-1990s.

“The first 10 years in the Cup series, I could count on both hands how many times I went into a gym,” he said. “Maybe I just had lucky genes or something, but you are looking at a totally different sport today than you did then.”

Today, drivers such as four-time champion Jimmie Johnson and Carl Edwards have rigorous fitness routines that require them to work out daily.

Martin, Gordon’s teammate at Hendrick Motorsports, had back problems several years ago that required surgery. He credits his regiment and years of working out with still being at the top of his game at age 51.

Now, 18 years into his career, Gordon is following suit.

“I wish I had started a fitness routine much earlier,” he says, “because now with the schedule the way it is and the cars and as intense as the competition is, and with the Chase … now you are really ramping yourself up to really be at your best for those final 10 races. That’s where your fitness comes in more than it used to.”

Gordon believes better physical conditioning has helped strengthen his back and prepare him for the type of crashes that have taken a toll on his body.

He has been involved in some vicious crashes over the years, including one at Watkins Glen last year that reminded him that he’s taken a lot of hard hits during his career.

“At Watkins Glen when I hit, I felt the area that I had been hurting really take a toll and that took a few days for that to go away and that told me right there, maybe some of those crashes I have had over the years [had taken their toll] because I can remember going through wrecks just like that and never feeling any pain,” he said.

“I’m sure it’s contributed over time. That’s why it’s no different than any other sport; it’s about preventive medicine and taking care of yourself. That’s why I’ve turned over a new leaf when it comes to physical fitness in not only trying to take care of my body because I’m getting older but to make me stronger and better in the race car to take some of these impacts, because that’s going to happen. That’s part of racing.”

Gordon said Friday that his back feels better than it has the last two years.

He bounced back from a dismal 2008 season last year to finish third in points. Now that he’s in the best shape of his career, he believes his team can return to the form it showed in 2007, when he won six races and challenged Johnson for the championship.

Crew chief Steve Letarte compares the changes Gordon has made to a major-league baseball pitcher adjusting throughout his career.

“If you are fastball pitcher at 22 and you throw 103 mph and you think that 15 years later that’s still going to strike out batters, you’re in for a short career,” Letarte said.

“I think that’s where Jeff is very, very smart. I think he understands what’s important to him. He understands what he can improve on and he expects me to understand what I can improve with the team. We’ve done that and we expect to have a much better 2010.”

Now Gordon doesn’t know how long he might race. He’s making no more promises.

“I always thought racing at 50 wouldn’t be possible for me, but maybe it is,” he said.

http://www.scenedaily.com/news/arti...and_has_no_plans_to_retire_any_time_soon.html
 
I think when Gordon had Evernham they could communicate to make the car better than any two driver/crew chief in NASCAR.... well Gordon still can communicate the same but the guy hearing it can't adjust it as well as Evernham could [ equals 2 tires Sunday ].. Johnson is smooth and predictable .. translates to fast and boring.... I don't like it but 4 in a row who could argue .. Gordon need Evernham and Kane needs the 5 car when Martin decides to call it quits ..2020 or so
 
right, letarte is no chad knaus (or ray evernham).

There you go. Knaus has the magic touch on making calls and knowing how to make the car better through the race. Gordon doesn't have that now. If he had Knaus as a crew chief, he'd be winning a lot of those races.
 
If you swapped Jimmie Johnson with AJ Allmendinger in the #48 and #43 who would win more races?

The answer to this is the same answer to the post:

Whoever has Knaus is going to win more after a given time period to acclimate to/with him.

Be it Gordon or Allmendinger it would make little difference. Johnson---and I'm NOT a detractor----very likely has only marginally more skill than the majority of the guys out there. His hand-eye coordination is probably about the same , his reflex's, physical strength, stamina, etc. aren't likely to be much better or play much of a part, his experience may or may not be, depending...


But the dude has a crew chief. A good one,great one, the best one out there. That's not taking anything from Johnson at all, but bet your "I could make sense with a teleprompter too" T-shirts that Chad Knaus is THE driving force and main reason for the success of that team.

A better question might be : Would Gordon have won more or less races with Knaus than Jimmie has?

My opinion anyway.
 
Interesting thread.

If we cloned Jimmie and Chad and made forty three identical teams how would the race finish? Would JJ win the race or one of the clones?

You always have outside circumstances that influence a race like tires, crew, parts, timing, rain, officials and the like.

The fat lady is fixing to sing, soon. :D
 
I would say Gordon. He is a much better race car driver than Jimmie. Jimmie is just a prop.
 
I think if you switched their crew chiefs Gordon wouldn't win more by having Chad. Johnson would win less because he has that chemistry with Chad, that is all important. I don't think Gordon would have that with him, I don't think they would mesh as well Johnson and Knaus do. Gordon might win a few races, but I don't think he would be as dominating as the current combination is.
 
And how old is Mark Martin? If we were to use Mark Martin as a gauge Gordon should have at least 10 years left in his driving career.

Touche, but I was going more off of the back problems Gordon has been having. It doesn't seem to be bothering him much this year, but that could change.

Also, Gordon doesn't have the body that Martin has. He's 50 years old, but he's built like Zeus.
 
I'm not really sure what would happen if they switched. I'd have to say that Jeff would very likely win more races with Chad Knaus and his crew. Jeff is a hell of a driver and has certainly proven that over the years.

It's hard to say exactly what Jimmie would do with Jeff's equipment and crew. Jimmie has obviously proven that he is a hell of a driver too.
 
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