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As a fan of racing, what matters to you more, points for the race, or who wins the race? With the win of a non-Cup qualifier this past weekend, it's clear that many people are a bit upset that Trevor didn't receive any points for this win. I noticed that there were few, if any complaints about the other drivers who didn't receive points for this race. Does this mean that they didn't care about those other drivers, or would they have the same complaint with a win by any of those other drivers? Would we hear such clamor if Joe Nemecheck had won? Just wondering.
 
buckaroo said:
As a fan of racing, what matters to you more, points for the race, or who wins the race? With the win of a non-Cup qualifier this past weekend, it's clear that many people are a bit upset that Trevor didn't receive any points for this win. I noticed that there were few, if any complaints about the other drivers who didn't receive points for this race. Does this mean that they didn't care about those other drivers, or would they have the same complaint with a win by any of those other drivers? Would we hear such clamor if Joe Nemecheck had won? Just wondering.
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Who wins definitely matters more, but that doesn't mean it's ok to have a points system that doesn't make a bit of sense. NASCAR's solution to the Cup Raider problem was way off the mark, and now we have this.

Keeping with my answer though, I want the emphasis to be on winning. I remember after Petty sealed his last championship, he wasn't even concerned with it. He was more upset that he didn't win the race, and that's what I like. Since the Chase has come about, I honestly couldn't care less who wins the championship.
 
I'm not upset that Trevor didn't get points, just like I'm not upset that Tony didn't get points for winning the nationwide race.
 
Jameswnh said:
Since the Chase has come about, I honestly couldn't care less who wins the championship.
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Pardon me if I'm wrong, but the complaining about all things NASCAR began long before the Chase. It was the Chase that solidified it for many people. Prior to the Chase, the complaints I saw were some of the current complaints about the aero package, but mainly about the disparagement about the inequality of the different makes.

I honestly believe that it is NASCAR and the media that have put the emphasis on who wins the Championship and that is to try and keep fans interested on their favorite driver. However, few fan favorites actually have a chance to win the title and thus for many, if not most, it really doesn't matter who the champ is. Only something like what happened at this years Daytona 500 with a virtual unknown, very young and inexperienced rookie heading into the last race of the season will grab the attention of the average NASCAR fan. Going into the last race of the seaon last year, with Denny Hamlin trying to unseat Jimmie Johnson as the champ, and with the unlikely chance of third place Kevin Harvick also in the picture, the biggest thing I saw was people wanted Jimmie Johnson no to win but the two challengers who could topple Jimmie had about as many non-fans as they did fans. You can bet that Johnson, Hamlin and Harvick fans were no doubt keeping track of their favs, but other than the ABJ', not many really cared who took home the title. Most would have preferred to see their own favorite win the race, and most of us already felt that Johnson would win anyway.

I am a fan of racing and can attend a race in which I don't know a single driver. I try to watch for a driver who appears to be above the rest and can make his way to the front and stays out of trouble. Such was the case this past weekend with a couple of drivers that I tried to keep an eye on. Of course the eventual winner was one, but David Ragan and Regan Smith were a couple of other "also rans" that I liked to watch. I've alwyas love to watch Kyle Busch because he is one wild card that can win anywhere and yet cause chaos.

Just my two and a half cents and count me as a race fan who will watch any racing, INCLUDING NASCAR Cup racing and enjoy it.
 
What matters to me is to see healthy competition between drivers in STOCK cars with as few caution as possible and with as much clean racing as possible. I wish I was alive when NASCAR was about a group of guys who brought the cars they worked on all week to the track to race, I would've loved it. It wasn't about sponsership, or millions of dollars, etc. It was about seeing who was the better driver and who has the better machine.
 
All i care about is drivers race hard and get out and tell how they really feel. I hate it when driver X gets out and gives the rundown of his sponsors first thing.
 
SpeedPagan said:
What matters to me is to see healthy competition between drivers in STOCK cars with as few caution as possible and with as much clean racing as possible. I wish I was alive when NASCAR was about a group of guys who brought the cars they worked on all week to the track to race, I would've loved it. It wasn't about sponsership, or millions of dollars, etc. It was about seeing who was the better driver and who has the better machine.
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that type of racing is still going on at you local short track. and if it's dirt, that's even better!:D
 
Stewart Fan said:
All i care about is drivers race hard and get out and tell how they really feel. I hate it when driver X gets out and gives the rundown of his sponsors first thing.
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Sponsorships has become a double edge sword in this sport. On one hand it helped NASCAR grow from a Southern sport to a National sport. However on the other hand it also took away the whole "bringing the car they worked on all week to the track" feeling that NASCAR used to have.
 
klemmabyna said:
that type of racing is still going on at you local short track. and if it's dirt, that's even better!:D
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Hell yea! There are three short track in my area that I'll attend this year.

Concord Motorsports Park
Caraway Speedway
Bowman Gray Stadium, AKA The Madhouse!
 
I despise points racing. I want to see guys slugging it out for first place every lap. Nothing turns me off more to racing than to turn on Daytona and watch guys give up the lead because they don't think it matters until the last 20 laps.

That's what we saw on Sunday. Guys cruising around trying to stay on the lead lap and not get wrecked by bad drivers like Mikey Waltrip and Derrik Cope.
 
sloggie said:
I despise points racing. I want to see guys slugging it out for first place every lap. Nothing turns me off more to racing than to turn on Daytona and watch guys give up the lead because they don't think it matters until the last 20 laps.

That's what we saw on Sunday. Guys cruising around trying to stay on the lead lap and not get wrecked by bad drivers like Mikey Waltrip and Derrik Cope.
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I can sort of agree with this.

Maybe the points system should have been that you get 1 point per green flag lap that you lead, plus the 43-1 system. none of this leading under yellow or "only the last 20" count BS.
 
sloggie said:
I despise points racing. I want to see guys slugging it out for first place every lap. Nothing turns me off more to racing than to turn on Daytona and watch guys give up the lead because they don't think it matters until the last 20 laps.

That's what we saw on Sunday. Guys cruising around trying to stay on the lead lap and not get wrecked by bad drivers like Mikey Waltrip and Derrik Cope.
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That's what we see every race.
 
buckaroo said:
As a fan of racing, what matters to you more, points for the race, or who wins the race? With the win of a non-Cup qualifier this past weekend, it's clear that many people are a bit upset that Trevor didn't receive any points for this win. I noticed that there were few, if any complaints about the other drivers who didn't receive points for this race. Does this mean that they didn't care about those other drivers, or would they have the same complaint with a win by any of those other drivers? Would we hear such clamor if Joe Nemecheck had won? Just wondering.
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I don't see what the problem is. You make your choice at the beginning of the season, pretty much you make your bed and you lay in it. Trevor chose points for Nationwide, so what is the beef?
 
sloggie said:
I despise points racing. I want to see guys slugging it out for first place every lap. Nothing turns me off more to racing than to turn on Daytona and watch guys give up the lead because they don't think it matters until the last 20 laps.

That's what we saw on Sunday. Guys cruising around trying to stay on the lead lap and not get wrecked by bad drivers like Mikey Waltrip and Derrik Cope.
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See now i feel the same way, and why do these guys cruise around like that? They don't have a choice, they know the big one will eventually happen, and that is a product of the awful plate racing.
 
buckaroo said:
As a fan of racing, what matters to you more, points for the race, or who wins the race? With the win of a non-Cup qualifier this past weekend, it's clear that many people are a bit upset that Trevor didn't receive any points for this win. I noticed that there were few, if any complaints about the other drivers who didn't receive points for this race. Does this mean that they didn't care about those other drivers, or would they have the same complaint with a win by any of those other drivers? Would we hear such clamor if Joe Nemecheck had won? Just wondering.
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Win races and the points take care of themselves. I read that thread differently about Trevor. Maybe it's just me but it appeared to me that many more people were upset at him being allowed to switch from Nationwide to Cup after the fact then whether or not he got points from Sunday. Personally, I could care less. Like VaDirt said, he'd already be starting in a hole with the exception of NASCAR allowing that win to count towards the Chase. I think like most that he'd benefit far more by staying where he's at and running a limited number of Cup races. If he's as good as some seem to think, I expect to see him @/near the top of the Nationwide standings at the end of the year.

As far as those guys just riding around @ Daytona. That's been a strategy that's been employed by some drivers for a long time. Some do that. Some don't. It seems to me that more often than not, the ones that do end up behind the wall. This past weekend, as much as most on here would like to believe, that isn't what happened. 43 drivers started the race. 38 of them spent some time in the top 10. There were only 11 drivers out of the field that never cracked the top 5. I'm not a huge fan of restrictor plate racing but you have to admit, it is the great equalizer of teams. It allows for all of these guys to compete on a closer field. There will be post after post this year of people complaining about the little guy/team not being able to compete with the money team. When we do get, we still complain.
 
Alot of good points in this thread. As far as riding around during the race vs. goint to the front, why did all the cautions happen. Because drivers were trying to go to the front, and as a consequence, wrecks happened. I have no problem with riding around as long as the driver makes an effort to win at the end. After all, racing is about winning the race, not who leads each lap. And as far as winning the race vs. winning the points championship, I would much rather my favorite driver win races. It is very frustrating as a fan of the 24 car that he has only won 1 race in the past 3 seasons, and in probably 90 percent of those races he had no chance of winning. Guess that's why I really like the way Kyle Busch drives, he is going for the win every time he is on the track, and usually has equipment that can take him there. JMO
 
mickeysimzac said:
Alot of good points in this thread. As far as riding around during the race vs. goint to the front, why did all the cautions happen. Because drivers were trying to go to the front, and as a consequence, wrecks happened. I have no problem with riding around as long as the driver makes an effort to win at the end. After all, racing is about winning the race, not who leads each lap. And as far as winning the race vs. winning the points championship, I would much rather my favorite driver win races. It is very frustrating as a fan of the 24 car that he has only won 1 race in the past 3 seasons, and in probably 90 percent of those races he had no chance of winning. Guess that's why I really like the way Kyle Busch drives, he is going for the win every time he is on the track, and usually has equipment that can take him there. JMO
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I agree, strategy is one thing, but I'd rather see Kyle Buschs' style of driving any day.
 
My preference is who wins each race. I'm not into the points thing and wasn't before the chase format was initiated. The racing we have today on super speedway, restrictor plate tracks depends on two guys working together. Even though one car might lead the entire race with a miniscule lesser car, they would not be in front if the pusher were not there. Is that how racing is supposed to be? I always thought racing was an individual sport where the best or luckiest team won. Not the team with the best pusher.

So, that being said, I'll watch the race at Phoenix for a single car to win without being pushed the entire race. It will be for the excitement of who has the best team, driver and luck for the day. Watching races where teams fail to mix it up for the win in order to protect championship points is not racing.
 
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