buckaroo
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This was introduced in 2006 as a concept, but could be what the future has in store for us. It's the Ford F250 Super Chief. Check it out at this site... http://cars.ign.com/articles/684/684843p1.html
What the next SUV's might look like
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Well, it's ugly. 
kelloggs5TLfan
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Well, it's ugly.
Yes, it is.
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Mopardh9
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I think it is cool looking, but the fuel mileage numbers will kill it, not very impressive. Only a range of 150 miles on Hydrogen, not good, and ethanol will end up being a non viable source of fule soon. It is way too expensive to produce, also it is proving to reduce the worlds food supply with the corn being grown for ethanol production. Why would you run on ehtanol with reduced fuel mileage numbers? Same old problems, nothing new here.
buckaroo
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Mopar, you missed the whole point of this. Remember, the concept was back a couple of years ago when fuel wasn't where it is today. Also, it will run on hydrogen, something that I believe is in the near future.
Few, if any concept cars actually make it to the production line, but rather give a glimps into the future. When this thing was brought out, those behemouths were in vogue all over the country so naturally, that is what they were working on. Who knows, maybe the future does have something like that in line, but of course, only if the costs are right, including the price of fuel.
Hydrogen fuel cell cars are already on the market, but finding a fuel station to fill up is the problem right now. And the hydrogen that is used is liquid hydrogen I believe, which is a bit safer than hydrogen gas. I've been paying attention to those web sites that have been hocking HHO conversion kits for your car. It's hard to find a truely unbiased site that grades them, but one of the local TV stations will be giving a bunch of them a test to see if they are a deal or a dud. I'm anxiously waiting to see what happens. (muggle, Fox8 this coming Wednesday at 10)
be9ak7ts16
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Yuck
fergy1370
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Looks like a cement block with wheels...
Hydrogen will never make it to the armpit of East Texas.
buckaroo
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Little lady, when the price of gas reaches $5.00 and higher (watch it rise now with Iran's missle tests), even you Texans are going to look for something of an alternative. Just look at T. Boone Pickens! He's probably already got his foot in the door of the wind power and solar power industries. If they come up with a convient way of making HHO and cheap, oil will fall quicker than Washington Redskin quarterback.
Not true. The gov't has done crop buyouts, and even has burnt crops, because there was so many, that the price was so low the farmers were not making money. There is more to it then just ethanol, whitch is really a small number.
buckaroo
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Lappy, while you are right about the past, you're wrong about this issue. The price of corn and wheat has risen to record levels because of world need and more and more ethanol. It wasn't long ago that the people of Mexico were about to riot because of the cost of tortillas going up and up.
That's not what I meant, buck.
I meant that this little place is about 50 yrs behind times. We haven't got a prayer of seeing either E85 or hydrogen.
buckaroo
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Oh, now I get you. Yeah, as an Okie, I do understand.
But seriously, hydrogen is still a fur piece away as they say down here. But I do believe that is where we are heading instead of the electric car. While the electric car will be okay in city, it won't do much good for the long haul and it sure as hell won't power those big rigs that haul commerce around the country. But a big problem will be those biggy oil companies that will do all they can to delay any start nationwide. That's why I'm studying the HHO conversion kits that are making big on the internet. If they pan out, or something else that comes along, the internet will help spread the word. But of course, our wonderful government will probably step in and tax the holy hell out of it because they won't want to lose their precious income.
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Mopardh9
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I didn't miss the whole point of your post at all. You posted it because it was a hybrid, got that, it uses 3 types of fuel, got that, it also gets lousy fuel mileage with all three....got that too. Hydrogen liquid fuel is fine and dandy, we should of been running on this 15 years ago, if you believe that the technology isn't there or wasn't there to create efficient hydrogen fuel cells think again. Big oil squelched this technology so it wouldn't get backing. A car that is powered by hydrogen which only has a range of 150 miles is not very attractive. Also one that has a v-10 in this day and age is less attractive, doubt this truck will ever see the light of day as a production vehicle unless the fule mileage and price are improved substantially.
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Never said that is was the only contributor, but is having an effect on the prices of corn worldwide and contributing to shortages.
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The Chev. EV1 10 years ago was fully electric and had a range of 140 miles. Even then people were getting up to 200 miles on a charge. A fast charger could recharge the vehicle in 1 hour on 220 volts. Newer battery technology could have extended the range even further. But, Chevy bought Ovonics, who holds the patents to NiMH batteries and sold the company to Texaco/Chevron. This effectively killed the large battery platform for transportation. In fact those who own the Toyota Rav4-EV, also 10 years old, will have no way to replace their battery packs when the batteries fail. They will have to go to lead-acid batteries which are not reliable.
So this isn't an improvement. Its just another way Big Oil and the Auto manufacturers are trying to dampen the alternative fuels market and keep us firmly attached to the oil teat. The more vehicles they can put in front of the American public that has this kind of severe limations the more the public will demand gas vehicles.
Yet in a backwards country like India they are producing an all electric vehicle and selling it for the equilvalent of $2500 dollars. Drive it for a few years and it becomes a throwaway car in my book.
Daimler is hearalded as a great saviour because they bring over the Smart car. But it gets less MPG than the Honda CRX or the Geo Metro did a decade ago. And the Smart car can be fully electric as you have them in England. But they are not available in this country. We have to keep any viable alternative fuel vehicle away from the Public lest they start demanding more.
Ok, I'm off this soap box for now...
So this isn't an improvement. Its just another way Big Oil and the Auto manufacturers are trying to dampen the alternative fuels market and keep us firmly attached to the oil teat. The more vehicles they can put in front of the American public that has this kind of severe limations the more the public will demand gas vehicles.
Yet in a backwards country like India they are producing an all electric vehicle and selling it for the equilvalent of $2500 dollars. Drive it for a few years and it becomes a throwaway car in my book.
Daimler is hearalded as a great saviour because they bring over the Smart car. But it gets less MPG than the Honda CRX or the Geo Metro did a decade ago. And the Smart car can be fully electric as you have them in England. But they are not available in this country. We have to keep any viable alternative fuel vehicle away from the Public lest they start demanding more.
Ok, I'm off this soap box for now...
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I knoqw how you feel, i had a couple of Subaru Justys in the early 90s through 2005, these cars were 4 wheel drive got 38 around town and 44 on the highway. Subaru does not import these cars anymore, they stopped in 1994 and it is very hard to find one now a days in good condition with low miles. Every once in awhile i'll see one on the internet. Subaru would be smart to import these cars again or build them here. Toyota is retooling 2 plants to make the Prius here in the US, getting away from the SUV and truck production, but they aren't laying off any permanent employees or closing plants like their big 3 counterparts. What i don't get is all these smart CEOs and big wigs in Detroit didn't see this coming...the price of fule has been rising right along for a few years. Instead of pre-planing these corporate giants got greedy, now it is biting them in the ass and i don't feel sorry for any of them in the least.
My husband has been trying to find a pickup---extended cab(not 4-door), an 8 foot bed, not a diesel, and not a 4X4. FAT CHANCE.
He hopes the dealers choke on all the huge trucks they have on the lots.
He hopes the dealers choke on all the huge trucks they have on the lots.
buckaroo
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The local Dodge dealer is offering a Calibre for half price with the purchase of a new Ram pickup.
I guess that makes sense, use the truck for business and then hop into the Calibre to go to and from work.
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The local Dodge dealer is offering a Calibre for half price with the purchase of a new Ram pickup.
From what i read about the caliber in Road and Track it is not worth buying, got a lousy rating.