What Will NASCAR do about Chevy and Pontiac?

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Awesome_Bill

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Well a chevy didnt win today, nor a pontiac. So will Nascar continue to let these makes keep their kick outs or will they reduce them. Or...Will they really get crazy and give them more? But I will say the dodges didnt look so good today against the other makes.
 
Back to pre-Mich nose for next week unless Nascar says something immediately.........but doubt it.
 
Who cares,Nascar,And the Media that shows it is on my $hit list today.:mad:
 
Ever stop and think that all this changing doesn't make one darn bit of difference? A track like Michigan it's more driver and team than what NASCAR does with the rules......pit strategy, fuel milage, car handling and DRIVER SKILLS produce the winner. Not NASCAR's tinkering with aero........there are at least three grooves that the cars can run so that dreaded "aero push" was not a factor today. Those rules that everyone was fussing about didn't have much (if anything) to do with the outcome of the race today.:)
 
aero-push was not a factor? geesh

Dale gets loose when he has to over-correct and spins, Steve does the same thing and hits the wall, and (was it?) Cope got to drive around trying to get a Darlington Stripe at Michigan and yer saying it wasn't a factor?

but back to the question.....hard saying, if anybody can ruin a good stock car, it's nascar.
 
At one time all four were in the top 5. How long has it been since that happened? Bill would have been there if he didn't have tranny trouble. I didn't hear anyone complain today.
 
Originally posted by 71Fan
aero-push was not a factor? geesh

Dale gets loose when he has to over-correct and spins, Steve does the same thing and hits the wall, and (was it?) Cope got to drive around trying to get a Darlington Stripe at Michigan and yer saying it wasn't a factor?

but back to the question.....hard saying, if anybody can ruin a good stock car, it's nascar.
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I would call all that more in line with "aero loose"......air taken off the spoiler. Almost like tagging someone in the turn......that happens everywhere!!:)

And I'm not defending NASCAR with all the rule changes......I think they should set the rules in Feb and everyone lives with that set of rules until the next Feb.:)
 
Originally posted by pbunch
Thats right Wrangler,That would be to logical though.
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I agree pb, who ever said na$ca$h was logical?

"Rules" change even during a race, it just depends on who'se doing the interpretation.
 
I hope they let pontaic keep there kick out!! Not sure about Chevy bc they seemed to be about the same to me. I say keep them the way they where for Michigan for a few weeks then make a solid desion.
 
How about everyone keeps what theve got...and take something away from those Fords. They are just too good.
 
Originally posted by Awesome_Bill
How about everyone keeps what theve got...and take something away from those Fords.   They are just too good.
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What would that be...........a 500 lb block of steel to drag around behind them?:D Sparks would be pretty next Sat night though.:ROFLMFAO:
 
tight in loose off......loose in tight off....it all comes back to balance and when it ain't there, folks spin.

So a car is sliding up the track and comes in between two other cars. Front end starts to slide when it looses it's front downforce and the car behind lifts it's rear end putting more pressure on the front and the car snaps around. Had it not been pushing in the first place, the change in balance would not have been so radical.

It was really evident with Steve. As soon as he pulled in to line his car darted towards the wall so my guess is he jerked the wheel and with the light rear end? Well, it was hang on for life after that.
 
Originally posted by 71Fan
tight in loose off......loose in tight off....it all comes back to balance and when it ain't there, folks spin.

So a car is sliding up the track and comes in between two other cars. Front end starts to slide when it looses it's front downforce and the car behind lifts it's rear end putting more pressure on the front and the car snaps around. Had it not been pushing in the first place, the change in balance would not have been so radical.

It was really evident with Steve. As soon as he pulled in to line his car darted towards the wall so my guess is he jerked the wheel and with the light rear end? Well, it was hang on for life after that.
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And aero push was the culprit? Okay.:)
 
Dew2.

I don't know how to explain it any different than I just did. Try reading it again ok?
 
I read it again.......sounds like just plain old tight to me. If the car wasn't tight the car would not be sliding up the track to begin with. Aero has little or nothing to do with it...........problem way before the two cars come into the picture. Sorry, I disagree.:)
 
The cars looked pretty even to me at Michigan.

1st Ford
2nd Pontiac
3rd Chevy
6th Dodge

At a track where aerodynamics are essential, it didn't look like anyone was at a disadvantage.
 
Weeeell lets see. 6 Gm in the top 10, 10 in the top 20 , Gm led the most laps, Sat on the pole, had top 4 starting positions.
Looks like they done about everything but win. One outstanding ford is the only reason they didn't.
 
What will they do? If history is any indicator, they'll keep changing the rules until the little crybabies win 8 out of 10. Sniffles Childress can kiss my area between the lower back and the upper thigh. Read the history books folks. It's there in black and white, and the white forms a 3 far too often. Anyone who honestly believes the rules changes are over for the season, or that they will just put them back like they were, let me know. I got some football bats and solar powered flashlights to sell ya.
 
I just think people make more of this issue than it really is. Just b/c four Chevies qualify in the top five is hardly an idicator that they have any sort of advantage. Those four teams might have just been the best that weekend. Had Dodge had the top four spots or Ford had the top four, everybody would be complaining that they had some sort of advantage. It's all a bunch of bs. The fact of the matter is when it comes down to racing, they all run about the same. The car makes have been pretty equal all season, more so than I've seen in awhile.
 
So if they were so equal all season, why the rules change to benefit GM? Either it's equal or it ain't.
 
Originally posted by rpmallen
I just think people make more of this issue than it really is. Just b/c four Chevies qualify in the top five is hardly an idicator that they have any sort of advantage. Those four teams might have just been the best that weekend. Had Dodge had the top four spots or Ford had the top four, everybody would be complaining that they had some sort of advantage. It's all a bunch of bs. The fact of the matter is when it comes down to racing, they all run about the same. The car makes have been pretty equal all season, more so than I've seen in awhile.
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Rpm........my sentiments exactly.:)
 
Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan
So if they were so equal all season, why the rules change to benefit GM?  Either it's equal or it ain't.
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Let's see.......top ten in points:
40 a Dodge
6 a Ford
48 a Chevy
20 a Pontiac
24 a Chevy
28 a Ford
2 a Ford
9 a Dodge
17 a Ford
88 a Ford

By my count that's 5 Fords, 2 Dodges, 2 Chevys, and 1 Pontiac. Considering the number of teams that run the various makes, it looks fairly equal......except Pontiac is lagging a little. Okay, Pontiac is a GM......so it's 5 Fords, 3 GMs and 2 Dodges. Not many Dodges running in the series yet so I still see a fairly equal balance.....Ford might have the advantage but not by much. So what you are saying then appears to say that NASCAR was correct with the rule changes!!:) RCR does do a little whining once in a while.....but from what you just pointed out, maybe it was justified.:)

BTW........I think it's pure BS with all the rule changes. It's teams and drivers way over the make and model when it comes to winning in NASCAR.
 
I respect your opinions,Wrangler.You know that.

But I just don't have your faith in the sanctioning body.To tell the truth,I think souvenir sales and the tracking of popularity polls by Nascar determines the outcome of seasons and races more than we like to think.

Have you ever looked over Nascar's 'most influential people' list?Look it up and read the first ten or so...what names are there?Childress.Earnhardt Jr.Jeff Gordon.Rick Hendick.Theresa Earnhardt.All directly involved with Chevrolet.Oh yeah,where does any Non-GM related individual come in?

Granted this alone proves nothing-though the word INFLUENTIAL should imply influencing!

And then there is the matter of the most 'popular' drivers in the sport.Who are they? Earnhardt.Earnhardt Jr.Gordon.

But again,maybe this proves nothing.

However: Chevy DID once pull out of the sport.And Nascar DID lose a substantial amount of revenue.And Nascar DID very much 'court' Chevy in an attempt to get them to return to the sport.And we all know,in retrospect,that the real era of the Chevy superstar started very soon after they returned in the 70's.

Curiously enough,in the 'modern era'[after Chevy returned to WC]
if you subtract three drivers,Waltrip,Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon,you are left with a very weak make of race car.

And now to the current season.What do we have?The unexpected 'slump' of Chevy's brightest star.It seems as if Nascar is almost in a panic.Much like '92 when Earnhardt slumped.It always seemed a little strange to me how the winningest single brand in Nascar[Ford] has won so few titles in the 'modern era'.

But all that aside,I really love this sport.I just truly believe that Nascar just has a vested interest in some drivers/car brands more than others.I believe that even though the Chevrolet is the technically inferior race car,a driver stands a better chance of reaching superstar status if they drive one.And 'technically inferior' is speaking aero-dynamically.Ford after all originated the modern day aero design with the early 80's t-bird.

So forgive my brush with 'conspiracy-itis'...I just think a lot of fans are playing 'Emperor's new clothes'where Nascar is concerned,and the 50% of non-GM fans have just learned to settle with the few bones Nascar occasionally throws 'em!

Anyway,JMO and I am open to facts to the contrary.:rolleyes:
 
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Let's see.......top ten in points:
40  a Dodge
6    a Ford
48  a Chevy
20  a Pontiac
24  a Chevy
28  a Ford
2    a Ford
9    a Dodge
17  a Ford
88  a Ford

By my count that's 5 Fords, 2 Dodges, 2 Chevys, and 1 Pontiac.  Considering the number of teams that run the various makes, it looks fairly equal......except Pontiac is lagging a little.  Okay, Pontiac is a GM......so it's 5 Fords, 3 GMs and 2 Dodges.  Not many Dodges running in the series yet so I still see a fairly equal balance.....Ford might have the advantage but not by much.  So what you are saying then appears to say that NASCAR  was correct with the rule changes!!:)   RCR does do a little whining once in a while.....but from what you just pointed out, maybe it was justified.:)  

BTW........I think it's pure BS with all the rule changes.  It's teams and drivers way over the make and model when it comes to winning in NASCAR.
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You still don't see what I'm saying. Look at your own argument. Top 4 in points, each manufacturer has one there. And I might add, with the possible exception of Stewart, none of those drivers are the "poster boy" for their manufacturer. I call that equal. So why does Chevy need a rules change? Is it because the wrong one is winning? Is that anyone's fault except their self proclaimed Golden Boys, Junior and Poo? Ford's big boy, Jarrett, is getting outrun by Martin. Dodge's big gun, Elliott, is second fiddle to Sterling by God Marlin. So by your own statements, they are as equal as can be before any rules change. If so, why give one make an additional break? I think it's fairly obvious. Always has been.
 
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