What's the best thing....????

dsdjtlts, since you started this thread after the on-track happenings at NHIS, I'm assuming that you are aware of who owns NHIS. That would be Bob Bahre and NOT ISC. The track OWNERS, including ISC, have absolutely NO bearing on any of the fines/penalties that are handed out to the drivers at the tracks. Therefore, your statement of
As it is now ICS & Nascar are one and the same and vice versa and how to or not to punish the drivers is totally left up to France.
doesn't hold water.
 
dsdjtlts said:
What is the best thing that could happen in Nascar? And, you can't say "get rid of Bill France, cause in my opinion, that goes without saying. Nascar is a monoply...that indeed has to be broken up. Independent officials should be hired. The governing body should be separate from the owning body.

OK lets go back to the beginning, this is your statement that ALL other posts were based on.

#1 Your first piece of misinformation; What good would it do to get rid of Bill France? Do you mean Sr.? He's dead. Do you mean Jr.? He stepped down a couple years ago. Brian is in fact running NASCAR now.
#2 you stated your opinion as FACT.

It has been pointed out numorous times that NASCAR according to the LAWS is in fact NOT a monopoly as you state. By law governing ALL businesses in America NASCAR is in fact a privatly owned indepenrent business. Examples have been made showing you how NASCAR isn't opporated any differently than many other major businesses throughout the country. The fact that NASCAR remains a privatly held company rather than one that sells shares and has stockholders allows it to be in total control of discission making and governing rules.

Your repeated response has been you don't care you believe you are still right. That's fine, that's your opinion but you didn't state it that way in the beginning. You also asked what others thought and others have tried explaining the FACTS pertaining to the laws governing businesses and you continually get frustrated because people are disagreeing with you. And maybe people are getting frustrated because you appeared to want a legitimate discussion but in your OPINION everyone is wrong and as time has gone on it appears you have no comprehension to know the difference between what you "desire" and the facts as outlined by law.

If what you "desire" was actually done, you'd effect the lives and businesses of millions of people throughout the US because you'd be removing the right to build a successful business and profit from it's success.

In effect what you're saying is because NASCAR has become such a successful business instead of reaping the rewards of over 50 years labor and effort the France family should now be punished so someone else should profit from their work.

No one here has to question your intellect, knowlege of subject matter YOU insisted on discussing, you continue to prove without question the lack there of.

Why does it matter to me so much? Simple, as a small indepently owned business owner working to achieve the American dream of building a successful business it scares me to death there is such ignorance out there that would think they should have the right to take it away from me after I worked my whole life to achieve it.

If you dislike the way NASCAR opporates so much, why don't you just go out and form your own sanctioning body to compete against them? Then you could organize and run yours how you see fit. You'd never have to worry about going head to head against them, because with your knowledge I doubt you'd ever get beyond the hay bale track racing go karts at your local K-Mart.

I don't think in the future you'll have to worry about having serious discussions around here because most that do have a bit of knowledge and understand of a few facts probably won't bother wasting their time and efforts to converse with someone as narrow minded.
 
Jeez, I feel about bad "having my head up my butt" (thanks for that eagle) to the extent that I can't see how exhausting it must be for you to be right ALL the time.

Tip: buy a dictionary.
 
Title of the thread being, what's the best thing. I think the best thing would be to drop this alltogether.
Have a cool one on me.
:beerbang: :beerbang: :beerbang:
 
Ok, this thread is locked. All future posts will be on the Dover race.

Oooopppsss, I guess I don't have that authority. :D
 
What I see here is a sort of a pattern. Old wise sages see a sport that has grown from nothing to what it is today, while other newer fans have only a much shorter memory of the sport. I was talking to the wife just today and asking her if she thought we would ever get out to see another Cup race. I doubt that we will, but it's because of the cost, and the cost is up, not because they can't find new fans, but because they can't build enough seats for all the fans that want to come to the races. Lappy, they are getting more and more fans each and every year and those new fans learn that the sport changes and they sometimes don't like what they see. And I laugh when anyone talks about NASCAR and all they are talking about is the Cup series and maybe, sometimes the Busch series and even less, the truck series. Every year, I go out to the races each and every Saturday night from mid April through late August and I was NASCAR racing at it's best. No, I don't see the likes of Jeff Gordon or Earnhardt Junior, but I was champs like Tim Brown, Junior Miller and Burt Myers. They are the backbone of NASCAR and while some of those guys are doing their best to make it to the big leagues, some aren't and just want to race and they race NASCAR sanctioned races. If you don't like what is happening in the Cup series, say it that way. You make it sound as though there are only 36 races a year put on by NASCAR. If you think the sport has changed in the last ten years, you should really see how much it's changed in the last 55 years. :eek:
 
majestyx said:
dsdjtlts, since you started this thread after the on-track happenings at NHIS, I'm assuming that you are aware of who owns NHIS. That would be Bob Bahre and NOT ISC. The track OWNERS, including ISC, have absolutely NO bearing on any of the fines/penalties that are handed out to the drivers at the tracks. Therefore, your statement of doesn't hold water.
Yes I know...Loudon was just used as an example, albeit a bad one.
 
buckaroo said:
What I see here is a sort of a pattern. Old wise sages see a sport that has grown from nothing to what it is today, while other newer fans have only a much shorter memory of the sport. I was talking to the wife just today and asking her if she thought we would ever get out to see another Cup race. I doubt that we will, but it's because of the cost, and the cost is up, not because they can't find new fans, but because they can't build enough seats for all the fans that want to come to the races. Lappy, they are getting more and more fans each and every year and those new fans learn that the sport changes and they sometimes don't like what they see. And I laugh when anyone talks about NASCAR and all they are talking about is the Cup series and maybe, sometimes the Busch series and even less, the truck series. Every year, I go out to the races each and every Saturday night from mid April through late August and I was NASCAR racing at it's best. No, I don't see the likes of Jeff Gordon or Earnhardt Junior, but I was champs like Tim Brown, Junior Miller and Burt Myers. They are the backbone of NASCAR and while some of those guys are doing their best to make it to the big leagues, some aren't and just want to race and they race NASCAR sanctioned races. If you don't like what is happening in the Cup series, say it that way. You make it sound as though there are only 36 races a year put on by NASCAR. If you think the sport has changed in the last ten years, you should really see how much it's changed in the last 55 years. :eek:
You're right...I didn't express myself as well as I needed to.
 
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