whats your opinion on competition cautions?

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timmyholton

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I personally don't like them
Seems like we have them ALOT anymore

At least 5 plus races had them this year already
 
Always happens on a green track. Been going on as long as I can remember. I don't give it much thought until someone mentions it. I'd venture to guess that almost everyone will find fault with it. Knowing that it is looked at as a safety issue, it doesn't bother me. Besides, it gives me a quick moment to grab my next beer.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Always happens on a green track. Been going on as long as I can remember. I don't give it much thought until someone mentions it. I'd venture to guess that almost everyone will find fault with it. Knowing that it is looked at as a safety issue, it doesn't bother me. Besides, it gives me a quick moment to grab my next beer.
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i dont recall it going on in the 90s
 
It does seem like they happen with increasing frequency. Perhaps it used to be the case that they were used when almost all practice was rained out whereas now they are used whenever there is rain at the track?
 
Is it just me or does some of the best racing happen before these CC's?
 
Don't like. It is a competitive sport if you miss the set up you should suffer the consequences, rather than get a free reset.

All of the padded cautions cheapen the importance of being able to be among the fastest throughout the entire race. Can't stay on the lead lap, no problem just ride around and wait for the almost guaranteed yellow fever. There will usually be plenty of wave arounds in the closing laps to make up a two lap deficit, and to get a finish that is unworthy of a sorry overall performance.
 
I get the premise behind them but I feel like NASCAR takes advantage of their use. For example if the entire weekend was rained out leading up to the race I think CC's are justified. But they will throw a CC is seems if one practice is missed or not fulfilled.

In the end it doesn't really matter.
 
My opinion is that Nascar says they are used for safety purposes but the real reason is to keep a cash cow from going a lap down or running out of talent and walling it. Also Nascar likes as many race stoppages as possible in order to keep the field bunched up and have as many double wreck restarts as possible.

When it comes to safety Nascar talks a good game but in reality if safety was a top concern they would change the races at Daytona and Talladega. Someone on the track or in the stands is bound to get seriously messed up at some point but Nascar looks the other way. Instead of worrying about plate tracks they chit the bed about what a green track may mean or a driver going 41 mph instead of 35 on pit road. Oh and God forbid if you commit the mortal sin of being 1/1000 out of tolerance somewhere.

Nascar is known for being incongruent and no better example of this exists than what I have cited.
 
Competition cautions are no big deal, IMO. Grippy tires that wear out during a full fuel stint are considered a good thing for the quality of racing. Goodyear is asked to provide tires as soft and grippy as possible, tires that "fall off" over a full stint.

It is my understanding that tire wear is considerably higher on a green track, where rain has washed off the rubber laid down during practice. If this is true, blown tires would be expected during a full length first stint on a green track. Goodyear's inevitable response would be to bring a harder, more durable tire to avoid tire-related problems when the race starts on a green track. The competition caution shortens the first stint, the period of highest tire wear.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Competition cautions are no big deal, IMO. Grippy tires that wear out during a full fuel stint are considered a good thing for the quality of racing. Goodyear is asked to provide tires as soft and grippy as possible, tires that "fall off" over a full stint.

It is my understanding that tire wear is considerably higher on a green track, where rain has washed off the rubber laid down during practice. If this is true, blown tires would be expected during a full length first stint on a green track. Goodyear's inevitable response would be to bring a harder, more durable tire to avoid tire-related problems when the race starts on a green track. The competition caution shortens the first stint, the period of highest tire wear.
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There are cases were cars dont get tires during the no competition cautions. Apparently tire wear was no problem.
 
I cannot imagine the furor on this board if thirty laps into a race all of the cars started blowing tires or sliding off the track . There needs to be sufficient practice so the teams and Nascar know what to expect from the green racetrack . Otherwise Nascar gets the blame for cars crashing .
 
LewTheShoe said:
Yes, there are those cases. They often coincide with the teams whining that Goodyear blew it, bringing a tire that was too hard.
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Still the same those competition cautions were unjustified and demonstrates that Nascar is willing to disrupt the race without the justification.
They should not feel any more righteous than a Clint Bowyer itch.
 
ted@economy said:
I cannot imagine the furor on this board if thirty laps into a race all of the cars started blowing tires or sliding off the track . There needs to be sufficient practice so the teams and Nascar know what to expect from the green racetrack . Otherwise Nascar gets the blame for cars crashing .
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You sure have been talking a lot about the furor on this board if this or that didn't happen in a race lol.

Any guesses from you or anyone else as to why Nascar deems things like very low pit road speeds and competition cautions essential for safety yet holds 4 races a year where mayhem is expected? I don't understand why cars getting into the catch fence, getting hooked into the wall, barrel rolling, getting T-Boned, going upside down, landing on top of one another and all sorts of unsafe things not thought of as unsafe but a green track is do you?
 
ted@economy said:
I cannot imagine the furor on this board if thirty laps into a race all of the cars started blowing tires or sliding off the track . There needs to be sufficient practice so the teams and Nascar know what to expect from the green racetrack . Otherwise Nascar gets the blame for cars crashing .
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I aint ever saw all cars simultaneously blow a tire.

The first occourance usually brings out the caution, and the pit road opens.
The one that blew his tire first should just learn and study up on what the 39 other cars did better.
 
Greg said:
Still the same those competition cautions were unjustified and demonstrates that Nascar is willing to disrupt the race without the justification.
They should not feel any more righteous than a Clint Bowyer itch.
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The more time that goes by the more I think I like bias ply tires as the only thing anyone thought about was the stagger. Bias ply tires were not afraid of green tracks lol.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
The more time that goes by the more I think I like bias ply tires as the only thing anyone thought about was the stagger. Bias ply tires were not afraid of green tracks lol.
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I liked them better, more slipping and sliding, manhandling the cars.
 
I don't let competition cautions bother me --- especially when me, and the rest of the world, know they are coming because NASCAR announces
that it's throwing one before the race starts. More often than not, the CC is being thrown because heavy rain has washed the rubber off the track.
Rather than have teams possibly start wrecking because of the track conditions, the CC is used.

To me --- NO BIG DEAL.
 
Greg said:
I aint ever saw all cars simultaneously blow a tire.

The first occourance usually brings out the caution, and the pit road opens.
The one that blew his tire first should just learn and study up on what the 39 other cars did better.
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I am all for letting a green track be part of the race and rubber in over the course of time.
 
The teams set up their cars for the track conditions. Rain changes the track conditions a lot. I think the competition cautions is a fair thing, it allows teams a chance to see how the tires are wearing. Most tracks have a tire made specifically for them - yesterdays practice info would be no good. Racers would normally run until more than one car has has tire issues before they start pitting. Pit stops are all about chasing changing track conditions.
 
RacerrecaR said:
I despise competition cautions. If teams are afraid that a green track might result in uneven tire wear, then pit early and make the necessary adjustments. Or you could grow a pair and race knowing the risks that might be involved.
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I hate when they do that. Even worse is when they throw a competition caution on the race because one practice session was cancelled.

Sums up everything that's wrong with asphalt racing. This mentality has come down to short track racing now. A big race was postponed to a Sunday back in April because the Friday practice was cancelled and the drivers wanted to practice on Saturday night. Less than two months later, they cancelled another race because of the same "not enough practice" bull sheot.
 
I'll tell you I really feel. They're useless and totally suck. I often wonder what Earnhardt would think of what they did to his NASCAR
 
Wow, I guess this thread is proof that Nascar 's safety record is steadily improving. One serious accident and all the fingers will be pointed at Nascar again. Meantime .... Great job Nascar!
 
ted@economy said:
Wow, I guess this thread is proof that Nascar 's safety record is steadily improving. One serious accident and all the fingers will be pointed at Nascar again. Meantime .... Great job Nascar!
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How can Nascar be concerned with safety when they sanction 4 races a year that normally produce carnage and represent an unnecessary danger to drivers?
 
They have their place. If you're having some sort of safety issue, by all means throw one. Today it seems they have one for for any inconsequential reason.
 
A planned CC is no problem in the case where there was no practice to get data on. With a green track I would have a CC so the teams could check to make sure they don't have a problem or what the tire wear is than to wait until you wreck and take out the field.
 
I think a big plus to the current practice is that it allows Goodyear to bring a softer tire that will fall off more over a full stint, and that leads to better racing. If Goodyear has to accommodate a full-length first stint on a washed-down green track, they will build in a bigger safety margin.
 
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