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C'mon Mongo.....wake up!
The suspense is killing me
The suspense is killing me
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Mongo
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Got there late and did not get to practice. Had to start the car up and qualify. Qualified dead last .
Got spun on the first lap and struggled to finish 12th in the first heat race. Car pushed real bad coming out of the apex. So shoved much heavier spring in the right front. Helped a lot for the second heat. Started last and finished 3rd.
In the semi I finished 5th. I had lowered the left front of the nose down to try and get some more downforce on the front and made it to the A-Main. Started 15th I think and then had a Bristol night. Got spun quite a few times by the same idiot and when I had the chance, I sent him into the wall.
Who says Carbon fiber can't break? He was running a carbon fiber chassis and and it broke in two. LOL
This was the same clown from about a month ago that myself, and others had trouble with.
I got black flagged for one lap but I was so behind it did not matter. Later they banned this idiot. This was the big track and causing wrecks at this place cost's the racer's a lot of money. I need to replace the right front suspension arms, pivot rods, spindle, CVD, tie rod and the shock shaft. I was at the end of the back straight when he deliberatly ran right into me. The car obviously sucked after that but enough to stuff him.
Susie/Sponsor was pretty mad too.
Like the monkey said when he pee'd into the cash register,
"this is gonna run into a lot of money". LOL
Got spun on the first lap and struggled to finish 12th in the first heat race. Car pushed real bad coming out of the apex. So shoved much heavier spring in the right front. Helped a lot for the second heat. Started last and finished 3rd.
In the semi I finished 5th. I had lowered the left front of the nose down to try and get some more downforce on the front and made it to the A-Main. Started 15th I think and then had a Bristol night. Got spun quite a few times by the same idiot and when I had the chance, I sent him into the wall.
Who says Carbon fiber can't break? He was running a carbon fiber chassis and and it broke in two. LOL
This was the same clown from about a month ago that myself, and others had trouble with.
I got black flagged for one lap but I was so behind it did not matter. Later they banned this idiot. This was the big track and causing wrecks at this place cost's the racer's a lot of money. I need to replace the right front suspension arms, pivot rods, spindle, CVD, tie rod and the shock shaft. I was at the end of the back straight when he deliberatly ran right into me. The car obviously sucked after that but enough to stuff him.
Susie/Sponsor was pretty mad too.
Like the monkey said when he pee'd into the cash register,
"this is gonna run into a lot of money". LOL
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Dango Mango Mongo Bongo
Black Three eh?
You have ALWAYS been in love with a heavy right front. It's been your fix for everything. Glad it worked. Maybe we are going the wrong way. Guess it's gonna be a while before we find out.....sigh
One thing I've noticed on TV when drivers complain "loose center off" is that the wedge wrench goes in to the right rear and they turn it counter-clockwise. Doesn't this equate to more weight on the left front? Not being a chasis man, I'm kinda lost here.
Tell Sponsor it's a drity job carrying The Intimidator's colors but somebody's got to do it. Glad to hear the idiot got banned. Good job. Might want to ask your fellow drivers for contributions or spare parts.
that's racin'
Black Three eh?
You have ALWAYS been in love with a heavy right front. It's been your fix for everything. Glad it worked. Maybe we are going the wrong way. Guess it's gonna be a while before we find out.....sigh
One thing I've noticed on TV when drivers complain "loose center off" is that the wedge wrench goes in to the right rear and they turn it counter-clockwise. Doesn't this equate to more weight on the left front? Not being a chasis man, I'm kinda lost here.
Tell Sponsor it's a drity job carrying The Intimidator's colors but somebody's got to do it. Glad to hear the idiot got banned. Good job. Might want to ask your fellow drivers for contributions or spare parts.
that's racin'
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Hoosierhustler
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Well I see my ol buddy out on tha shakey side is still taken other drivers out ! lol
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HardScrabble
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Looks like we may have to accept the fact that we are dealing with a "soft push".
Kinda mentioned it in the other thread, but stubbornly refuse to accept it because there was no push into the turn. My mistake.
So thinking that maybe the front springs are too soft, but the shocks are too firm for those springs and delaying the push reaction. Or maybe Mike's line somehow keeps the pressure off the front springs enough at turn in to prevent the push. That would be easy to test, but risky. Just drive into the corner way too deep and see what happens............nothing good I bet....LOL
Anyways, time for wholesale changes to the set up. Without weight data we're guessing, so testing is essential. Probably not a good idea to hit the track on raceday with big untested changes.
Pull the red springs out of the rear and put them up front. If the car's weight is biased to the rear (which just looking the chassis layout I think it is) stick the coppers in the rear. Keep the shocks you're using. Hook up the smallest sway bar you have in the rear.
What this should do (should be the operative word) is lessen the grip of the whole car.........the stiffer springs should do that. The softer shocks in relation to the springs should help the grip a bit. The rear bar should loosen the car a little so that the front does not get completely out of control.
If this helps the overall handling, the front was definitely too soft. But we gotta get lap times, it may handle better but be a turtle.
Kinda mentioned it in the other thread, but stubbornly refuse to accept it because there was no push into the turn. My mistake.
So thinking that maybe the front springs are too soft, but the shocks are too firm for those springs and delaying the push reaction. Or maybe Mike's line somehow keeps the pressure off the front springs enough at turn in to prevent the push. That would be easy to test, but risky. Just drive into the corner way too deep and see what happens............nothing good I bet....LOL
Anyways, time for wholesale changes to the set up. Without weight data we're guessing, so testing is essential. Probably not a good idea to hit the track on raceday with big untested changes.
Pull the red springs out of the rear and put them up front. If the car's weight is biased to the rear (which just looking the chassis layout I think it is) stick the coppers in the rear. Keep the shocks you're using. Hook up the smallest sway bar you have in the rear.
What this should do (should be the operative word) is lessen the grip of the whole car.........the stiffer springs should do that. The softer shocks in relation to the springs should help the grip a bit. The rear bar should loosen the car a little so that the front does not get completely out of control.
If this helps the overall handling, the front was definitely too soft. But we gotta get lap times, it may handle better but be a turtle.
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Some thinhs never change huh? LOLOriginally posted by Hoosierhustler@Oct 5 2003, 06:27 AM
Well I see my ol buddy out on tha shakey side is still taken other drivers out ! lol
See ya made it over here ya old dirt kicker.
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Black and Yellow #22.Originally posted by 71Fan@Oct 5 2003, 12:45 AM
Dango Mango Mongo Bongo
Black Three eh?
You have ALWAYS been in love with a heavy right front. It's been your fix for everything. Glad it worked. Maybe we are going the wrong way. Guess it's gonna be a while before we find out.....sigh
Yeah I have. Guess it's a crutch for me. LOL I still think soft in the front should work. I do not understand why it won't. Unless I to put a sway bar in the front to make the springs stiff when we want them stiff.
One thing I've noticed on TV when drivers complain "loose center off" is that the wedge wrench goes in to the right rear and they turn it counter-clockwise. Doesn't this equate to more weight on the left front? Not being a chasis man, I'm kinda lost here.
I think it takes weight off of the left front because it lowers the right rear.
Hardscrabble?
Tell Sponsor it's a drity job carrying The Intimidator's colors but somebody's got to do it. Glad to hear the idiot got banned. Good job. Might want to ask your fellow drivers for contributions or spare parts.
Some of them need new parts too. Actually, later that night she said, who do you think you are? Dale Earnhardt? LOL
that's racin'
Sure is and I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mongo needs Eukanuba, and Jimmy needs KKs
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71Fan
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counter-clockwise lowers the right rear?
I thought that by unscrewing the bolt it would raise the left rear. Ok, looks backwards to me but makes sense.
I thought that by unscrewing the bolt it would raise the left rear. Ok, looks backwards to me but makes sense.
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71Fan
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Guess it's actually backing off the plate at the top?
I'm soooooooo confused
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Mongo
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Now ya got me thinking hard about it and you know how difficult thinking is for me. LOL
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71Fan
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eeff would know
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71Fan
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btw, how did the tape work out?
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HardScrabble
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LOl, make the call under pressure and you always have to think twice.
"loosening" a jack bolt takes pressure off the spring, effectively less weight and a lower ride hieight at that corner. The same effect of weight is felt on the diagonally opposite corner. Now the weight does not vanish, it ahs to go somewhere. It goes to the remaining two corners.
The jacking bolt moves a plate up or down on top of the spring. It is the only place the spring exerts force on the chassis. The other end is pushing on the control arm or axle. If the plate moves "up" in the chassis, less pressure on the spring. IF the plate moves "down" more pressure on the spring.
"loosening" a jack bolt takes pressure off the spring, effectively less weight and a lower ride hieight at that corner. The same effect of weight is felt on the diagonally opposite corner. Now the weight does not vanish, it ahs to go somewhere. It goes to the remaining two corners.
The jacking bolt moves a plate up or down on top of the spring. It is the only place the spring exerts force on the chassis. The other end is pushing on the control arm or axle. If the plate moves "up" in the chassis, less pressure on the spring. IF the plate moves "down" more pressure on the spring.
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Mongo
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71 was talking about the track bar itself.
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HardScrabble
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The track bar.......different deal.
The track bar adjustment effectively moves the rear roll center. The roll center is located at a height equal to the midpoint of the height of the track bar attachment to the chassis (on the right side) and the track bar attachment point on the rear axle housing. You raise the bar, you raise the roll center. Turning the adjustment olt works the same as a jack bolt. "Loosening" the bolt raises the right side of the bar (chassis attachment point). Tightening the bolt lowers that end of the bar. It has no effect on weight distributioin.
Raising the roll center will make the car looser. Lowering it will make the car tighter. My head always keeps that one straight is "loosen up the track bar" or "tighten down the track bar"..........
The track bar adjustment effectively moves the rear roll center. The roll center is located at a height equal to the midpoint of the height of the track bar attachment to the chassis (on the right side) and the track bar attachment point on the rear axle housing. You raise the bar, you raise the roll center. Turning the adjustment olt works the same as a jack bolt. "Loosening" the bolt raises the right side of the bar (chassis attachment point). Tightening the bolt lowers that end of the bar. It has no effect on weight distributioin.
Raising the roll center will make the car looser. Lowering it will make the car tighter. My head always keeps that one straight is "loosen up the track bar" or "tighten down the track bar"..........
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..........."loosening" a jack bolt takes pressure off the spring, effectively less weight and a lower ride hieight at that corner................
Now that just seems backwards.....sure less weight, but a LOWER ride? If the spring becomes longer would that not RAISE the ride?
Now that just seems backwards.....sure less weight, but a LOWER ride? If the spring becomes longer would that not RAISE the ride?
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Mongo
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Seems it would but ride height is set by compressing the spring. Tighten down on the spring and the chassis raises up. Less tension and the car sits lower. I can raise the ride height by tightning down the collars, which compress the spring.
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Well that's just plain wierd.