who qualifies as start and park drivers?

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data from http://www.cbssports.com/nascar/standings/CUP

as i was looking at these stats i found it curious that there weren't more DNF's.

Starts Driver DNF
21 Joe Nemechek 20
17 J.J. Yeley 16
18 Michael McDowell 16
14 Mike Skinner 12
8 David Stremme 7
16 Robby Gordon 6
21 Clint Bowyer 4
21 Dave Blaney 4
20 Casey Mears 4
11 Tony Raines 4
19 Landon Cassill 4
4 Scott Riggs 4
21 Kyle Busch 3
21 Martin Truex Jr. 3
21 Jeff Burton 3
21 Jamie McMurray 3
21 David Gilliland 3
3 T.J. Bell 3
11 Trevor Bayne 3
16 Travis Kvapil 3
4 Scott Wimmer 3
 
klemmabyna said:
data from http://www.cbssports.com/nascar/standings/CUP

as i was looking at these stats i found it curious that there weren't more DNF's.

Starts Driver DNF
21 Joe Nemechek 20
17 J.J. Yeley 16
18 Michael McDowell 16
14 Mike Skinner 12
8 David Stremme 7
16 Robby Gordon 6
21 Clint Bowyer 4
21 Dave Blaney 4
20 Casey Mears 4
11 Tony Raines 4
19 Landon Cassill 4
4 Scott Riggs 4
21 Kyle Busch 3
21 Martin Truex Jr. 3
21 Jeff Burton 3
21 Jamie McMurray 3
21 David Gilliland 3
3 T.J. Bell 3
11 Trevor Bayne 3
16 Travis Kvapil 3
4 Scott Wimmer 3
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What about the guys that have 1-2 start and 1-2 DNF?
Like Richardson, Setzer, Sauter, Green, Jones, conway, and speed
 
dnf%:

Driver Starts DNF DNF/STARTS
Scott Riggs 4 4 1.00
T.J. Bell 3 3 1.00
Erik Darnell 2 2 1.00
David Starr 2 2 1.00
Todd Bodine 2 2 1.00
Scott Speed 2 2 1.00
Kevin Conway 2 2 1.00
Geoff Bodine 1 1 1.00
Brian Keselowski 1 1 1.00
Steve Park 1 1 1.00
Johnny Sauter 1 1 1.00
Dennis Setzer 1 1 1.00
Robert Richardson 1 1 1.00
P.J. Jones 1 1 1.00
Jeff Green 1 1 1.00
Joe Nemechek 21 20 0.95
J.J. Yeley 17 16 0.94
Michael McDowell 18 16 0.89
David Stremme 8 7 0.88
Mike Skinner 14 12 0.86
Scott Wimmer 4 3 0.75
Michael Waltrip 2 1 0.50
Terry Labonte 5 2 0.40
Robby Gordon 16 6 0.38
Tony Raines 11 4 0.36
Trevor Bayne 11 3 0.27
Landon Cassill 19 4 0.21
Casey Mears 20 4 0.20
Clint Bowyer 21 4 0.19
Dave Blaney 21 4 0.19
Travis Kvapil 16 3 0.19
Kyle Busch 21 3 0.14
Martin Truex Jr. 21 3 0.14
Jeff Burton 21 3 0.14
Jamie McMurray 21 3 0.14
David Gilliland 21 3 0.14
Matt Kenseth 21 2 0.10
Jeff Gordon 21 2 0.10
Dale Earnhardt Jr. 21 2 0.10
Mark Martin 21 2 0.10
Kasey Kahne 21 2 0.10
David Ragan 21 2 0.10
Regan Smith 21 2 0.10
Andy Lally 18 1 0.06
Jimmie Johnson 21 1 0.05
Kevin Harvick 21 1 0.05
Tony Stewart 21 1 0.05
Denny Hamlin 21 1 0.05
Greg Biffle 21 1 0.05
Paul Menard 21 1 0.05
A J Allmendinger 21 1 0.05
Brad Keselowski 21 1 0.05
Joey Logano 21 1 0.05
David Reutimann 21 1 0.05
Brian Vickers 21 1 0.05
Bobby Labonte 21 1 0.05
Carl Edwards 21 0 0.00
Kurt Busch 21 0 0.00
Ryan Newman 21 0 0.00
Juan Pablo Montoya 21 0 0.00
Marcos Ambrose 21 0 0.00
Mike Bliss 7 0 0.00
Bill Elliott 5 0 0.00
Ken Schrader 5 0 0.00
Andy Pilgrim 1 0 0.00
Chris Cook 1 0 0.00
Boris Said 1 0 0.00
Brian Simo 1 0 0.00
Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 1 0 0.00
Steve Wallace 1 0 0.00
Hermie Sadler 1 0 0.00
Patrick Carpentier 1 0 0.00
Jason White 1 0 0.00
Sam Hornish Jr. 1 0 0.00
 
One question, what does anyone have against the start and parkers? Which brings to mind another question. What is wrong with back markers? They add a bit of a challenge to some drivers.
 
Robby SnPs part-time... employees 50 people between Cali & N.C. A True Entrepenuer DW says..what? Speed Energy Drink..:beerbang::beerbang:
 
Don't look at the driver stats to determine a S&P'er, look at the team.
Most of the S&P teams have had sometimes three of more drivers by this time in the season.
 
buckaroo said:
One question, what does anyone have against the start and parkers? Which brings to mind another question. What is wrong with back markers? They add a bit of a challenge to some drivers.
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It's just something else to complain about. If they're able to qualify for the show, what's the issue? If you are spending you time watching and worrying about those teams, you're missing the race.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It's just something else to complain about. If they're able to qualify for the show, what's the issue? If you are spending you time watching and worrying about those teams, you're missing the race.
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Yep, that's right. BTW we used to call them "field fillers" and I don't recall all this much complaining about them.
 
Yes field fillers were always part of the game. But they ran the race as best they could, not just 3 or 4 laps then park it.
 
buckaroo said:
Yep, that's right. BTW we used to call them "field fillers" and I don't recall all this much complaining about them.
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Apparently the board has ran out of thing's to $#@% about :rolleyes:

What they fail to realize is that most of the teams that do this are just trying to get by, pay the bills for another week and hoping they can stay in the sport because it's what they Love to do.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It's just something else to complain about. If they're able to qualify for the show, what's the issue? If you are spending you time watching and worrying about those teams, you're missing the race.
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Speaking only for myself, I dislike the S&P concept because I think it is basically unethical.

I have nothing against field fillers because they enter and qualify with the intent of doing the best they can do in competition. teams like this are just a fact of life at every race track I have ever been associated with. On the "Have" and "have Not" spectrum, they are the "Have Not's."

S&P'ers, OTOH, are there without having any intention of actually competing. They are there because NA__AR has the purse divided so that even the last place finishers can show a profit just for appearing.

Yeah, I know... Some claim that they are there trying to impress someone enough to sponsor them. Riddle me this, how impressive is it for Joe Nemechek to have an average finish of 40th or 41st place for the season? For that matter, Joe isn't even racing for Cup points?! What is his purpose of being out there except for just milking the system?

As someone pointed out, his S&P'ing has made him almost $2 million this season. Not back for a non-racing racer.

NA__AR claims it's starting field is 43 but after about a half tank's worth of racing it is pretty predictable that that 43 car field of racers was actually about 36-38. The more cynical of us would say that it's just plain false advertising.

If NA__AR wants 43 race cars to start then set the policy that every position below 35ht a flat $9500 show money for every race. Maybe them these guys might stay in the race and race amongst themselves just to see who could finish high enough to make the race profitable?

I realize that I'm in the minority in this general feeling but that's my position, for better or worse.
 
NASCAR want's 43 in the field, so they are basically helping a few teams stay afloat. $16,000 for 1 set of tires you can't reuse, all the transportation and just setting up the car each week cost a lot.

Meanwhile, NASCAR sucks up over $200 million a year in sponsor money while banning Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T, Boost Mobile and others from sponsoring cars.

GREED!
 
John Galt said:
Speaking only for myself, I dislike the S&P concept because I think it is basically unethical.

I have nothing against field fillers because they enter and qualify with the intent of doing the best they can do in competition. teams like this are just a fact of life at every race track I have ever been associated with. On the "Have" and "have Not" spectrum, they are the "Have Not's."

S&P'ers, OTOH, are there without having any intention of actually competing. They are there because NA__AR has the purse divided so that even the last place finishers can show a profit just for appearing.

Yeah, I know... Some claim that they are there trying to impress someone enough to sponsor them. Riddle me this, how impressive is it for Joe Nemechek to have an average finish of 40th or 41st place for the season? For that matter, Joe isn't even racing for Cup points?! What is his purpose of being out there except for just milking the system?

As someone pointed out, his S&P'ing has made him almost $2 million this season. Not back for a non-racing racer.

NA__AR claims it's starting field is 43 but after about a half tank's worth of racing it is pretty predictable that that 43 car field of racers was actually about 36-38. The more cynical of us would say that it's just plain false advertising.

If NA__AR wants 43 race cars to start then set the policy that every position below 35ht a flat $9500 show money for every race. Maybe them these guys might stay in the race and race amongst themselves just to see who could finish high enough to make the race profitable?

I realize that I'm in the minority in this general feeling but that's my position, for better or worse.
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If you have such an issue with the start and park guys why don't you anty up some cash and send it their way? Maybe then they'll be able to Afford to run hard for a few more laps.
 
FlFlash said:
If you have such an issue with the start and park guys why don't you anty up some cash and send it their way? Maybe then they'll be able to Afford to run hard for a few more laps.
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Because being philanthropic is something I have and will never be accused of being.

Seriously, if they can't afford to at least attempt to race a full race then why are they there in the first place? If the old tale is that "They just want to race," then why "Race" in a series where they can't afford to be in? Why not go to ARCA, or better yet, a local track? They can race and the track would get some recognition for having a pseudo-NA__AR person competing?

IMNSVHO, S&P'ers make a mockery out of the very concept of competition. They don't compete. For the most part they are no better than the person with a teaching license who just shows up in the classroom to collect her monthly check.

But, I know I'm probably the only one here who doesn't see them as something to aspire to, so go figure...
 
What Would It take to buy the stuff for a SnP Team? 200k Minimum?? Y'all wanna pitch in?? :beerbang::beerbang::beerbang:
 
John Galt said:
But, I know I'm probably the only one here who doesn't see them as something to aspire to, so go figure...
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I edited out the rest of your qoute because it was meaningless, this one sentance however deserves a comment:

I personaly have always been impressed with people who refuse to give up even when the odds are stacked against them.
 
FlFlash said:
I edited out the rest of your qoute because it was meaningless, this one sentance however deserves a comment:

I personaly have always been impressed with people who refuse to give up even when the odds are stacked against them.
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I don't believe my analogy to the non-teaching teacher was "meaningless" in the least. In fact I think it was very apropo, and defined example what most of the S&P'ers are doing.

As to your last statement, I try and live by the credo, reasonable people can always agree to disagree. An insulting reply to an honestly given opinion is merely, to me, the mark of someone who actually has no meaningful reply but can not bear the thought of silence or of not having the last word.

I'll take your statement as a compliment and thank you.
 
FenderBumper said:
NASCAR want's 43 in the field, so they are basically helping a few teams stay afloat. $16,000 for 1 set of tires you can't reuse, all the transportation and just setting up the car each week cost a lot.

Meanwhile, NASCAR sucks up over $200 million a year in sponsor money while banning Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T, Boost Mobile and others from sponsoring cars.

GREED!
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Nascar Has A Contract To Put X Number Of Cars On The Starting Grid
 
In the overall scheme of things, it really doesn't matter how many S&P entries there are. It's always gonna happen as long as NASCAR pays as much as they do for simply making the field.

If I were a driver, I would not want to be affiliated with a team that was not intending to compete for the best possible finish - kinda like what JJ Cobb said to one owner: I'm gonna take my helmet and go home!

But people like Sterling Marlin enter and race - never expecting to win. He qualifies, starts and runs as many laps as he possibly can. That's how it should be!

If a team shows up at the track without a pit crew, they should not even be allowed to qualify, IMO...
 
FenderBumper said:
Contract is with X number of cars. ;)

TV, of course.
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So if 40 cars start they are in breach of contract? Even though the networks probably only show the same 20 or so cars every week unless there is a wreck? Thats just stupid, it's their series, you would think they can do whatever they want. What idiot signed that contract? They can't control if not enough cars show up.
 
chromehorn said:
So if 40 cars start they are in breach of contract? Even though the networks probably only show the same 20 or so cars every week unless there is a wreck? Thats just stupid, it's their series, you would think they can do whatever they want. What idiot signed that contract? They can't control if not enough cars show up.
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Correct That was the deal with NEXTEL
I assume that SPRINT is the same
NATIONWISE cars And I think the person that signed that contract was let me see FRANCE

Almost ALL cup teams bring extra cars renumber and race
 
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