who thinks Kyle Busch got hosed!

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OK, Kyle Busch is not my favorite driver but I really think he got hosed on this whole Jr deal. Talk about odd man out, I would've thought that Casey would've gotten the axe but I guess you just never know. Anyway, I really hope that Kyle can land a quality ride in 2008, I don't wanna see him up in a lemon.
 
No way did he get hosed, Kyle did himself in, especially when he got out of his car a left the track while his crew got it fixed only to have Jr. jump in it. He can only blame himself.
 
NO WHERE in the news conference did Hendrick says that Busch wanted out. He said that things "became apparent" and that "we decided" - how convenient:rolleyes:

I guess we wait to see if any team steps forward to say that Busch had talked to them.

We haven't heard the end of this by a long shot.
 
NO WHERE in the news conference did Hendrick says that Busch wanted out. He said that things "became apparent" and that "we decided" - how convenient:rolleyes:

I guess we wait to see if any team steps forward to say that Busch had talked to them.

We haven't heard the end of this by a long shot.

I agree with Mopar. He did this to himself with his Busch Brother attitude. I don't know what their problem is but there has been lots of controversy concerning the 2 of them since they have been in the sport. Remember both have had trouble with the law off the track too.
 
No way did he get hosed, Kyle did himself in, especially when he got out of his car a left the track while his crew got it fixed only to have Jr. jump in it. He can only blame himself.


In english composition, they call that foreshadowing. In life, it's called patently bloody obvious.
 
I agree with Mopar. He did this to himself with his Busch Brother attitude. I don't know what their problem is but there has been lots of controversy concerning the 2 of them since they have been in the sport. Remember both have had trouble with the law off the track too.
Humility.........or a lack of in their cases.
 
Hendrick may have chosen his word careful not to lair, but it seems misleading based on what Kyle said on Sirius. I haven't been watching NASCAR for that long so I don't know the entire Busch Brother history. But I’ve allows thought they get more criticism for small things then other drivers. What did they do (or not do) that has caused some many people to dislike them?
 
How about this little scenario --

Before Junior announced he was looking for another team, Rick and Kyle were negotiating an extension. Then came the announcement and Rick said there was no room for Junior at HMS.

I think Kyle then felt safe ---- maybe raised his demands to beyond what Rick was willing to give.

Of course, Kyle hadn't helped his own cause by saying the COT "sucks" and walking out on the team at Texas.
 
How about this little scenario --

Before Junior announced he was looking for another team, Rick and Kyle were negotiating an extension. Then came the announcement and Rick said there was no room for Junior at HMS.

I think Kyle then felt safe ---- maybe raised his demands to beyond what Rick was willing to give.

Of course, Kyle hadn't helped his own cause by saying the COT "sucks" and walking out on the team at Texas.

TRL I couldn't have said that better myself. :bounce: :bounce: You nailed it.:bounce: :bounce:
 
Also it seems simple math of why Kyle and not Casey. Kyle only has 1 year left on his contract. Casey has just signed so he has multiple years. Not knowing the structure of their contracts I would still guess that if you had to buy one out Kyle's would be cheaper. Even if HMS has to pay Kyle the entire contract it's probably still cheaper than repairing all of the cars he wrecks race in race out. Plus the added dollars from the Lil'E merchandise sales that would be HMS's share probably more than eclipses what ever would be paid out to Kyle.
 
Jeff is lifetime, jimmie is 2010, i wouldnt be surprised if casey is a 3 year to 09.
 
Kyle Busch has twice as many wins in the last 2 1/2 years as Jr. The only thing Rick cares about is the PR he and his team will get with JR. on board. I hope it all falls apart on him.
 
Kyle Busch has twice as many wins in the last 2 1/2 years as Jr. The only thing Rick cares about is the PR he and his team will get with JR. on board. I hope it all falls apart on him.

Welcome to the board nascarfan01 you are such an added positive influence here. With the attitude you have you must have a very happy home life. :eek:
 
You know tkjhttp://webpages.charter.net/trussell/pictures/Same%20****%20different%20day.jpg or different name
 
If it were simply a matter of talent, potential or even on-track performance, Hendrick would have replaced Casey with Junior instead of Kyle. But Kyle has simply shown way to much immaturity and I think quite simply worn out his welcome. Someone will certainly pay Kyle a boatload of money based on his talent and potential, Rick Hendrick just decided not to be the one to do so.

Kyle reminds me of many young talented drivers who were just not able to handle the rest of the job. A guy like Kasey Atwood comes to mind. Hell of a talent, but just not mature enough to handle everything else that comes with the job.

How do you think it made Kyle's crew members feel when he left the track with them still busting their @sses to try to get that thing back on the track to scramble for points? Do you think just maybe they try just a little less hard for a guy like that through the week? It's just human nature. :cool:
 
If it were simply a matter of talent, potential or even on-track performance, Hendrick would have replaced Casey with Junior instead of Kyle. But Kyle has simply shown way to much immaturity and I think quite simply worn out his welcome. Someone will certainly pay Kyle a boatload of money based on his talent and potential, Rick Hendrick just decided not to be the one to do so.

Kyle reminds me of many young talented drivers who were just not able to handle the rest of the job. A guy like Kasey Atwood comes to mind. Hell of a talent, but just not mature enough to handle everything else that comes with the job.

How do you think it made Kyle's crew members feel when he left the track with them still busting their @sses to try to get that thing back on the track to scramble for points? Do you think just maybe they try just a little less hard for a guy like that through the week? It's just human nature. :cool:

Does anyone think Kyle will change his ways? I don't look at Kurt. He still lets his temper get the best of him.
 
If it were simply a matter of talent, potential or even on-track performance, Hendrick would have replaced Casey with Junior instead of Kyle. But Kyle has simply shown way to much immaturity and I think quite simply worn out his welcome. Someone will certainly pay Kyle a boatload of money based on his talent and potential, Rick Hendrick just decided not to be the one to do so.

Kyle reminds me of many young talented drivers who were just not able to handle the rest of the job. A guy like Kasey Atwood comes to mind. Hell of a talent, but just not mature enough to handle everything else that comes with the job.

How do you think it made Kyle's crew members feel when he left the track with them still busting their @sses to try to get that thing back on the track to scramble for points? Do you think just maybe they try just a little less hard for a guy like that through the week? It's just human nature. :cool:

Everything else you say may or may not be, but you are way off on your speculation on his crew. I'll be darned if I can figure it out, but his crew just loves him.
 
Busch maintains mutual decision led to split


BROOKLYN, Mich. - Kyle Busch is not bitter or angry over his impending split with Hendrick Motorsports. He's too busy concentrating on finishing this year out strongly and trying to figure out what he's looking for when it comes to his future team.

Busch issued a statement Wednesday saying he would not return to his Hendrick Motorsports NASCAR Nextel Cup team in 2008 on the day the team announced the addition of Dale Earnhardt Jr. to the four-car lineup for next season.


Friday at Michigan International Speedway, Busch reiterated comments from his initial statement and ones made by team owner Rick Hendrick in the news conference that the decision was mutual.

"We decided it and sat down and talked about things and decided it would be in both of our best interests to get a fresh start," he said. "I feel like it's a time where I can step away from where I've been for a few years and try to get a fresh start and see what else is out there."

Busch says the negotiations were on and off over time and that there were some stumbles in the road, but the final meeting to make that decision was on Monday. He was asked if he was bitter over the split, if he asked for his release from the team and if he was surprised by this turn of events.

Busch completely dismissed any bitterness over the split and reiterated that the decision was mutual. But even though it was, that doesn't mean he wasn't surprised when his contract talks broke down. He says those negotiations had been a little up and down, but said that his representation didn't keep him completely informed about developments, so he wasn't up on all aspects of them.

He also says that, through his representation, Hendrick discovered that other teams were approaching Busch, and that didn't seem to go over well with his current team. Hendrick mentioned in Wednesday's news conference that Busch had been approached by more teams than the driver had expected. Busch has since changed agents, though he says that was not merely a response to this situation.

"I never thought in my wildest dreams that I would leave Hendrick Motorsports," he admitted. "... Neither did Kurt Busch when he joined Roush Racing. ... I was 17 when I was first talking with Mr. Hendrick and signed my deal with Mr. Hendrick. I've had the greatest time and the utmost respect for him ... I look forward to being able to go out and see what I can accomplish somebody else."

With the talks not going well, and with Dale Earnhardt Jr. announcing he would be available on May 10, things just didn't work out.

"To me, just from what I know, the negotiations were going well, then they weren't going well, then we started getting back on track and then Junior announced his availability and then that's where it kind of stalled out again and so, I'm not stupid, you guys aren't stupid," he said.

So now he's considering his options.

Busch, 22, says he does not have a list of teams to consider. Right now, much like Earnhardt Jr. a month ago, he's waiting to see what happens and what sort of offers develop.

"Actually I'm just kind of flattered and excited about all the interest and the phone calls that we've gotten," he said. "I haven't talked to any representatives from any teams. I've got people that stand behind me that do that stuff for me. When it comes down to the point where I feel like there's some people I need to talk to, we'll sit down."

Unlike Earnhardt Jr., though, he's not adamant in his desire to stay with his current manufacturer. While Busch says he has a strong relationship with the company, he seems to be open to any offers.

"I'm not married to Chevrolet, but I've got a lot of great friends there and a lot of respect for those guys and they do [for me] as well," he said. "I'd love to stay in Chevy, but we're just going to keep all our options right now and play the field and see exactly what is out there."

He plans to do that without letting it become a distraction to his championship effort. While that will be a difficult balance to maintain in the coming weeks, Busch thinks he's up to the challenge.

"I'm looking forward to just being able to sit down and talk with some people and see what's out there," he said. "Right now I'm down because I want to be with my guys and now having to work with those guys the rest of the year is going to be a little bit difficult. But I'm still committed to them.

"On the other side of the coin, I'm excited about the opportunities that lie ahead and I'm looking forward to being able to solidify something."

He just hasn't decided with who yet. Busch says that at this point, he's interested in hearing from any team that has an open seat for next season.

"Let's sit down," he said when speaking of other owners. "Let's have dinner."

http://www.scenedaily.com/stories/2007/06/11/scene_daily892.html
 
And as I stated long before, I'll bet his representatives were trying to stick it to rick in their demands, and Jr came along cheaper. If you're going to gamble and you bluff, be prepared for someone to call you on it.

There's something MUCH bigger that stands out to me, in his past statements he claims he hadn't had contact with other teams "NaDa"
and this new statement says Rick found out they had been talking to other teams from his own representatives.

If Kyles' contract was not up until the end of 2008, why is his representatives talking to other teams in 2007?

Just as Jr wouldn't talk to other teams until talks officially broke down with DEI, but Kyle had his representatives out testing the waters which I guarantee was breaking his agreement in the contract.

So you insist Rick is the liar. but in reality in his Own words it appears Kyle was twisting facts to make it look like the "poor little boy" . "HE" may not have actually talked to other teams, but his representatives had as well as had all the discussions Rick claims had taken place. When a person is represented by others, you generally don't talk face to face with them, but Rick talking to Kyles reps in negotiations IS the same as talking to him. If they chose not to pass it along, they need new jobs. Guess they didn't know how to tell them they made a big boo boo, played a bluff and it backfired on them.
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Also, don't know if this is the best place for this or not, but it's semi-related. I'd say any talk of Gustafson going anywhere with Kyle is probably wishful thinking:

DO YOU EXPECT TO BE A CREW CHIEF NEXT YEAR: "I expect to be a crew chief for Hendrick Motorsports. But I will make a statement that I will be at Hendrick Motorsports next year regardless. I would rather sweep floors for Rick Hendrick than I would be a crew chief for somebody else."

and

WHY DO YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE STAYING AT HENDRICK MOTORSPORTS? WHAT MAKES THAT PLACE SO GOOD THAT, WITHOUT HAVING EVEN TALKED ABOUT OTHER PLACES, I AM SURE THAT YOU COULD GET OFFERS ALL OVER THE GARAGE? "Yeah, well Rick, Mr. Hendrick, is the most classiest guy in this garage. Like I said, he has been great to me since day one. When I started there eight years ago, he treated me with tremendous amount of respect when I was just a kid who didn't know what was going on. I appreciate what he has done. To me, that is what is important, you know. This sport is going to come and go and things are going to happen, but to have a personal relationship with a genuinely grand man like that is very important to me. I am going to be loyal to him. He was loyal to me."


This is consistent with most accounts that people give of Rick Hendrick. Sounds as though Kyle's people messed him up.
 
"HE" may not have actually talked to other teams, but his representatives had as well as had all the discussions Rick claims had taken place.

In other news Kyle has fired his representatives. So you may be right...
 
So I guess in fact he DID get hosed, but it was from his own representatives NOT HMS.

Sounds that way don't it. Guess like someone said before they were wanting Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson money for a Kyle Busch. :eek:
 
Sounds that way don't it. Guess like someone said before they were wanting Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson money for a Kyle Busch. :eek:
the way some of them cars look after races, as a team owner i wouldn't be paying kirk shelmerdine money for a kyle busch.
 
the way some of them cars look after races, as a team owner i wouldn't be paying kirk shelmerdine money for a kyle busch.

Jeff Gordon tore up alotof cars when he as young to. Jeff had SR. to teach him. Kyle has nobody
 
I believe that JG should have taken a mentor role with Kyle. The guys got talent he just seems to get caught up in alot of other peoples garbage. OK except for at Daytona when he made the move to block Harvick instead of holding ground I do believe that he could've done better in that situation and possibly been the man that could've won that race but instead he made the move that he made & ended up with a wrecked car. Luckily Harvick by the grace of the powers that be & the skin of his teeth was able to give RCR it's first plate victory since Sr's last at Talladega in 2000. Maybe thats where Kyle would be best suited is at RCR. They have a strong Busch series program along with a competitive Cup program & RCR wants to add a fourth car anyway. He could also drive Busch & NCTS races for Harvick.
 
And as I stated long before, I'll bet his representatives were trying to stick it to rick in their demands, and Jr came along cheaper. If you're going to gamble and you bluff, be prepared for someone to call you on it.

There's something MUCH bigger that stands out to me, in his past statements he claims he hadn't had contact with other teams "NaDa"
and this new statement says Rick found out they had been talking to other teams from his own representatives.

If Kyles' contract was not up until the end of 2008, why is his representatives talking to other teams in 2007?

Just as Jr wouldn't talk to other teams until talks officially broke down with DEI, but Kyle had his representatives out testing the waters which I guarantee was breaking his agreement in the contract.

So you insist Rick is the liar. but in reality in his Own words it appears Kyle was twisting facts to make it look like the "poor little boy" . "HE" may not have actually talked to other teams, but his representatives had as well as had all the discussions Rick claims had taken place. When a person is represented by others, you generally don't talk face to face with them, but Rick talking to Kyles reps in negotiations IS the same as talking to him. If they chose not to pass it along, they need new jobs. Guess they didn't know how to tell them they made a big boo boo, played a bluff and it backfired on them.
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Yeh and didn't Busch say he switched agents? Why would he do that unless something went amiss?
 
The guys got talent he just seems to get caught up in alot of other peoples garbage. OK except for at Daytona when he made the move to block Harvick

Some may want to add in CLT where he took out Kurt
 
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