WHO WINS THE CHAMPIONSHIP?

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Questions to ALL?????

Take the fact that we are talking about Dale Jr. and forget it.... Do you actually think NASCAR should determine whom wins it's Championship by their none racing actions before or after a race???

What happens when we get to the last race and the Championships Winner lets one fly...and 2nd place lets one fly....and 3rd...and 4th...all the way to number 10.... Does someone whom was not even in the championship race win the CUP or not give it to anyone..????

What about Drivers that are caught on camera cussing when the audio is not heard.. We all know what they said.... Should we take points away for that?? How about the water boy for the team what if he lets one go....???

Come on.. you have to admit.. this is....WRONG....
 
After today they better not let one fly! Of course if everyone got together and cursed on camera every time, what would happen? Would NASCAR be banned from TV? :huh:
 
Good move on nascar's part. I do believe that they probably put an end to the cussing.
 
Originally posted by muggle not@Oct 5 2004, 07:31 PM
I do believe that they probably put an end to the cussing.
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I don't!! :D But I do think they have put themselves in one h..., oops, I mean one heck of corner on this one!!

Pretty soon we'll only have pretty faces and soft spoken Opie Taylors out there running completely touch free races!! Oh, wait...........I'm bashing NASCAR!! :blink:

I'm joking about NASCAR...............but y'all are opening a big can of worms with all your cheering about NASCAR policing the sport to the point of nauseousness. There has to be some leeway and discretion......otherwise you get what you seem to want. NASCAR does listen to the fans...........but sometimes the fans speak bull..., oops, speak nonsense. :D

After all what's going to happen to all y'alls favorite topic of discussion? CONSPIRACY!!!
 
First off, NASCAR is trying to stay out of the FCC corner.
FCC will fine any nationwide broadcaster that allows profanity on public air space.
With the fines being on a much grander scale for like; NBC, if NASCAR takes care of fining the offender, they are protecting the nice folks like NBC, from the wrath of the FCC.
Get it?????
So; layoff, grow up, and quit that !@#W#@$$##@! cursing. Else your next fine might be even worse.

Jr is NOT out of the show. What, 12 points????? What a laff. I still think Jeff Gordon can do it and he is much farther back than a mere 12 points!!!!!

So, relax peeps. Kansas is coming up and we get to do this all over again. And again, And again, and......................................
 
To answer your question - from my point of view: Nascar has not yet done anything to determine the cup winner by any means other than laying down rules (that I'm positive all drivers are aware of) and enforcing them. If the drivers break those rules then it's the DRIVER who is determining there cup chances. I believe that the actions of ALL team members can be harmful to their driver - under the rules. So, make your team aware of the rules and personally, I'd advise them to adhere to them or they may be looking for a job. And of course...lead by example.

The only thing I question Nascar for doing was warning Waltrip and not doing the same about some other actions that took place on the track during Sundays race.
 
Hello Everyone,

I'm a huge Jr. and Nascar fan. I think that one of the things thats sets Nascar apart from alot of other sports is the colorfulness of its athletes. Im not saying that football and baseball for example don't have them. ie Ray Lewis. But nascar is a bit different. Now fining Jr. thats fine and probably should have been done and I'm sure he knew thaat was coming. But taking away the 25 pts was WRONG. I have seen a million times football players on the sidelines pumping up team mates and cussing up a storm but does the NFL take away 3 1/2 scores of the board NO. I know that Jr. could still come back and win the championship but he shouldn't have to comeback from a NASCAR PENALTY like that. NASCAR Just pisses my off sometimes with these BS rulings out of nowhere. I think that everyone in the stands this weekend being a Jr. fan or not should hold up signs that say SH!T and as well start chanting it. Maybe NASCAR will have to fine me for this post and take away 25 points.
 
It's real simple. The NFL does not have a rule in place to take away points. NASCAR does. The players are fined for their actions. That is what their rules say will happen. Should it be a rule? Should there be a fine? Should there be a points deduction? I'm not to say. But, there should be a tape delay to avoid potential hassles with the FCC. That I think we can all agree on.
 
Originally posted by barelypure@Oct 6 2004, 09:21 AM
. But, there should be a tape delay to avoid potential hassles with the FCC. That I think we can all agree on.
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I agree, there should be a tape delay. But what concerns me about the FCC, are they protecting us from something we want to be protected from? :unsure:
 
Originally posted by bowtie+Oct 6 2004, 09:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bowtie @ Oct 6 2004, 09:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-barelypure@Oct 6 2004, 09:21 AM
. But, there should be a tape delay to avoid potential hassles with the FCC. That I think we can all agree on.
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I agree, there should be a tape delay. But what concerns me about the FCC, are they protecting us from something we want to be protected from? :unsure: [/b][/quote]
Wow...you are opening up a can of something there.
 
Some people would say yes. So the matter comes down to whose rights are to be respected. Those who do not want to hear questionable language for what ever their reasons might be, kids, religion, etc. or your right to be able to hear filth. Because once the bell is rung it can never be unrung. We have seen that time and again with what is currently on TV. Ozzie and Harriet or Married with Children? Once you start down that slippery slope...
 
I agree, but there is a reason for Howard Stern having one of the biggest syndicated radio shows in the country.
 
Wrong outlook on the whole thing, IMO. It's a self-control issue( something I have had a problem with more than once myself :( ). It isnt a censor or FCC issue at all. Honestly, most of us on here probably use that type of language..but how many use it in church or in front of children, for instance?

It goes back to the individual. Given the time between crossing the finish line, spinning around in celebration, etc. Jr certainly had enough time to temper his remarks. After all, it wasnt like he was the underdog. He had to have premeditated, a little at least, what to say in victory circle. Hard to believe ANYONE is either that stupid or that immature or else just doesnt give a (Inserted Jr worthy expletive here)!
 
As to language, if you open the door to the Howard Sterns of the world where do you draw the line? Or, do you? We have seen each succeeding generation try to out do the other. Lenny Bruce gave way to George Carlin who gave way to Chris Rock. What's next? Or, who's next? And, is that what we really need or want? Does Society benefit from a no-holds barred broadcast? Does this behavior have anything to do with what we tuned in to see? This is not an issue about what you or I do in our own personal lives and how that affects those around us. This is being broadcast to the world. There have to be limits to what is shown or said. Or, else the Playboy channel goes out of business.

On a different tack, I thought it was funny that they showed Lil'E getting out of the car but they weren't ready for him so he got back in. They then started interviewing some of the other drivers. And, then went back to VL so we could see him get out of the car again to celebrate. Classic screw up.
 
I'm not talking about Jr. specificley, I'm talking about in general, what gives the FCC the right to say what I can or cannot watch in my home on my TV? What happened to freedom of speech or freedom of press?
And they say we live in a democratic society. :huh:
Actually it didn't bother me, to hear him say the "s" word on tv. I have the right to change the channel, thats why there are more than one radio station or tv station.
 
Do the freedoms and rights afforded citizens outweigh the moral/social responsibilties of accepting them? Who knows? The question for me is...who decides what is right and what is wrong?

IMHO, there a lot worse things out there than words and if you've been given a warning as to the possibility of questionable content of something, make the decision based on that for yourself and anyone else for whom you have responsibilty.
 
You are missing my point. Yes you can change the channel. Remember when the Soaps were all tame and stuff. Now all of them have embroiled themselves in some kind of sex. You won't be changing the channel. You'll be turning off the TV. If that is the type of programming you want there is already channels that provide that. Why should NASCAR, or any other program succumb to the lower elements of Society for a free speech issue. And, is it really an issue of free speech? Where do your rights end and mine begin? Tonight walk into your neighborhood theater and yell "Fire" then argue in court your free speech rights. I have a right to tune in to racing and not be bombarded with filthy language. I know people curse. Hell, I curse. Worse than some, less than others. But, that is not the point. Some people do not curse. Why should they be forced to change the channel or turn down the volume to watch racing or some other program where cursing is not an intergral part. If I want cursing I'll watch the new Chris Rock special. ( I did by the way. He is one funny mother...). As to the FCC they control the airwaves. I can guarantee you tha the FCC will not take you away if you stand on the street corner cursing out people as they drive by. The looney bin guys might but the FCC want. Why can't you drive 75 in a 35 school zone? You did the last time and didn't run over anyone. You probably won't this time either. Yet you can't. Those are the rules Society has set up to try and keep the barbarians from the door.

On a side note, at least Lil'E has experience:
PLAYBOY: What did you do after school?
EARNHARDT: Shoveled ****. That was my job -- get home from school, go straight to the horse barn and shovel it out. It's hard work, and you don't even want to think about the smell.
 
Thats what I'm talking about. If you listen to a scanner at a Nascar race, for instance, you will be told at the beginning of each race by most race teams that some content may not be suitable for children, you know that going in, don't listen if you don't want to here it.
Its like them coming to my place of employment and fining me for not answering the phone nicely enough.
Thats exactly why the Reveloutionary War was fought, to get away from a dictatorship.

Oh, and another thing, my 6 yo daughter hears much worse than that in her first grade class.
 
Originally posted by bowtie@Oct 6 2004, 10:22 AM


Oh, and another thing, my 6 yo daughter hears much worse than that in her first grade class.
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No doubt about that. The only place to get away from foul language is barricade yourself in your house with no tv or radio. :lol:
 
Lil'E, and all of the other drivers knew about the rule in February. He broke the rule. He pays the price. It really is that simple.
Should it be a rule? Opinions will differ. And, with that I'm thru.
 
Originally posted by barelypure@Oct 6 2004, 11:37 AM
Lil'E, and all of the other drivers knew about the rule in February. He broke the rule. He pays the price. It really is that simple.
Should it be a rule? Opinions will differ. And, with that I'm thru.
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I am not argueing the fine or suspension, yes he knew the rule and he broke it but should it have come to this over one little word?
 
Originally posted by bowtie+Oct 6 2004, 11:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bowtie @ Oct 6 2004, 11:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-barelypure@Oct 6 2004, 11:37 AM
Lil'E, and all of the other drivers knew about the rule in February. He broke the rule. He pays the price. It really is that simple.
Should it be a rule? Opinions will differ. And, with that I'm thru.
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I am not argueing the fine or suspension, yes he knew the rule and he broke it but should it have come to this over one little word? [/b][/quote]
Nascar has declared itself a family sport and doesn't like to push the FCC so I guess using that word is not acceptable.

I am not sure what you mean by "come to this".
 
Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Oct 5 2004, 11:29 PM

After all what's going to happen to all y'alls favorite topic of discussion? CONSPIRACY!!!
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I wish it weren't a topic at all. Unfortunately, the actions over the last 25 years MAKE it a topic.

As I've said elsewhere, the language did not nor does not bother me personally. But if yer gonna zing one for it, zing 'em all for it. Even He Who Walks On Water.
 
"Conspiracy theorist" is just the new PC code-word for those that can actually see through a little of this image fostering BS, anyhow. Odd how the indoctrinated continue to toss that word "CONSPIRACY" around as if no conspiracy has ever existed in the entire scope of human history. Truly incredible. As unfathomable as it is for some---let enough money be involved and yes, the possibility for a "CONSPIRACY" does exist.

The word being misused in a lame attempt to be insulting is really getting old.
 
I don't get the FCC or NASCAR! You see somebody's ass on NYPD Blue or even curse words. They are still doing it all the time. Maybe it is the time slot or the rating that they have a problem with. There are much worse things on the regular TV Networks (CBS) (NBC) (ABC) for children to watch. Even cartoons show super violence and sexual innotations. What ever happened to Bugg's Bunny and Wiley Coyote? The world has changed and not for the better. It seems that it is up to the parent to supervise but, that can not always be the case. A delay seems the only way to go with NASCAR racing. People will speak their minds but, without a delay, must in the case of TV consider who is watching at the time. I do not have a problem with drivers expressing themselves either in anger or jubilation. This is part of the reason I watch NASCAR racing.:waver:
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Oct 6 2004, 07:00 PM
I sure miss old Bugs, myself! :cheers:
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Here, here! :cheers: They don't make'em like they used to.
 
Originally posted by Bucky Badger+Oct 6 2004, 04:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bucky Badger @ Oct 6 2004, 04:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bowtie@Oct 6 2004, 10:22 AM


Oh, and another thing, my 6 yo daughter hears much worse than that in her first grade class.
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No doubt about that. The only place to get away from foul language is barricade yourself in your house with no tv or radio. :lol: [/b][/quote]
I agree. But where do you think the kids learned the words. Prolly from TV. You just pointed out a good reason the FCC does what it does. :)
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Oct 6 2004, 02:45 PM
"Conspiracy theorist" is just the new PC code-word for those that can actually see through a little of this image fostering BS, anyhow. Odd how the indoctrinated continue to toss that word "CONSPIRACY" around as if no conspiracy has ever existed in the entire scope of human history. Truly incredible. As unfathomable as it is for some---let enough money be involved and yes, the possibility for a "CONSPIRACY" does exist.

The word being misused in a lame attempt to be insulting is really getting old.
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So you are alleging that NASCAR and certain teams and/or sponsors are engaged in illegal (read: criminal) acts. You see it everywhere and say it's as plain as the nose on your face..........and you will even call me out because I don't see what you see. Maybe you should make a call to your local federal prosecutor. I mean it's your duty as a good citizen to not overlook criminal acts. I assume you are a good citizen.

Here's the definition of the word "conspiracy" available at Your Dictionary.com:

n. pl. con·spir·a·cies


1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

2. A group of conspirators.

3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.

4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design.
 
Thanks, but I knew the definition beforehand.


And I am alledging that conspiracies have occured in Nascar's top league, yes. You get the prize. Can I prove it? Sure...as soon as you can prove to me they haven't.

And I didnt refer to you specifically, Wrangler, rather I meant the entire 'disagree with me and you are a conspiracy theorist nut' mindset......perhaps you jumped the gun just a little, huh?

On the other hand, if the shoe fits, slip it on. NOW I am refering to you.
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Oct 6 2004, 07:12 PM
Agreed. "Southpark" just ain't my thing! :lol: Give me Tom and Jerry anyday!
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Yeah! Southpark. A talking turd. What kind o crap is that. They went way overboard. Hopefully parents will keep their kids away from such funnies. As if Beavis and Butthead weren't bad enough. Funny yes, but not for children.
 
Record a 3 hour Nascar Race and count the number of times you hear any cuss words....Including Dale Jr's 3 from last week and then watch any network channel for 3 hours at any time and count the same...and you want to say Dale Jr should be ashamed... BULL CHIT!!!

All jokes asside, if NASCAR wants to be this perfect clean cut "G" rated event they need to make a few more changes....and put their money where their mouth is...

1. Shut down the in car radio broadcasts to the internet and only opperate on privately secured channels which only the teams can tune into. (Only about $25 million dollers in revenue)

2. Remove all Beer & Drug advertisments from Cars and any NASCAR sponsord products, including no sale or use of alcohol at race events. (Over $200 million dollars annually)

3. Take away points from teams whom act out visual acts of violence before, during or after races. (FREE)

4. Fine teams and take away points for all indicent hand jestures before, during or after races. (FREE)

5. OH yea..almost forgot...outlaw any fans from wearing bikinis or risque clothing at sporting events.... (FREE)


Now NASCAR can say they are clean cut and "G" rated....Just what we all want!! Including NASCAR... So when do we start with the new CHANGES???????
 
N.A.S.C.A.R.(Never Answering "**** " Could Alter Racing)

You have to ask yourself one question... Why are you a NASCAR fan?? Could it be the... Comfortable seating? Cool Weather? Clean Bathrooms? Sober Fans? Tight Uniforms? Cheap Tickets? Sponsors? Sexy Drivers? Predictable Finishes? I think NOT!!

We all are Racing fans for the same reasons... Heritage...Unpredictability...BEER...Speed...
Personalities..FlashyCars..BEER..Crashes... Enthusiastic Fans...Cool Memorabilia... BEER...Wrecks...and oh yea...Bikinis!!!!!!

NASCAR should take a step back for a minute and refect on their sport's founders...Change is always imminent, However "Cake & Ice Cream" will never replace "Steak & Lobster"

IMPROVE THE SPORT!!! DON'T REWRITE IT!!!
 
I don't think too many people know exactly what is going on with Jr's. post race comment. The group that threatened to protest before the race, representing under privaledge race fans didn't but be sure they were listening and NASCAR knew it. I believe Jr. deliberately said what he did to spite that group. So is Jr. going to lead NASCAR or is NASCAR going to lead NASCAR. I believe NASCAR is just letting Jr. know who runs the show and for the sake of racing probably correct in this instance. Jr. could help his own cause by focusing on a championship and not politics.
 
Originally posted by Race Man@Oct 7 2004, 12:04 PM
I don't think too many people know exactly what is going on with Jr's. post race comment. The group that threatened to protest before the race, representing under privaledge race fans didn't but be sure they were listening and NASCAR knew it. I believe Jr. deliberately said what he did to spite that group. So is Jr. going to lead NASCAR or is NASCAR going to lead NASCAR. I believe NASCAR is just letting Jr. know who runs the show and for the sake of racing probably correct in this instance. Jr. could help his own cause by focusing on a championship and not politics.
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Where did you get the information that led you believe one had to do with the other?
 
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