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Kyle Busch wins Late Model Race: Erasing his late race demons from a year ago, Kyle Busch muscled past Dave Feiler following a restart with 26 laps to go and drove to his first victory in the Miller Lite Nationals 200-lap super late model main event Sunday night at the Slinger Super Speedway.(full story at Slinger Super Speedway), quite a weekend for Busch: won the Truck Series race at Kentucky on Thursday, 3rd in the Nationwide race at Kentucky on Friday, won the Sprint Cup Series race at Kentucky on Saturday and then won Sunday ay Slinger.(7-11-2011)
 
Blaze88 said:
I bet he feels so proud of himself :rolleyes:
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1st Thurs.,3rd Fri., 1st Sat.,and another 1st on Sun. I would be pretty proud of that myself.Oh forgot he's leading the Spit Cup points.I don't like him personally, but I gotta admire his achievements.Kind of reminds me of Tim Richmond in his driving ability. Kyle Petty would have loved to have been that good.
 
So not only is he racing at the professional level (Cup), but he's also racing at the college level (NNW & Camping), but he's also doing High School (Late Model)?
 
SpeedPagan said:
So not only is he racing at the professional level (Cup), but he's also racing at the college level (NNW & Camping), but he's also doing High School (Late Model)?
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I do believe that would be a decent interpretation of it.
 
So here's what I don't get. Once a guy reaches Cup, that's all he's allowed to do now? Can't race anywhere else? At all?

Seriously, racers are racers, and they wanna race. Kenny Schrader raced three,four,five times a week during his Cup career.

Oh, and I'd love to see you walk to any local short track and tell one of the LMSC drivers that they're nothing more than high school level racing.:rolleyes:
 
racer8 said:
Can you imagine how stoked one of them would be to beat him.
Thems braggin rights
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And Kyle has been beaten at Winchester. Actually, he has been beaten many times at Winchester.
 
VaDirt said:
So here's what I don't get. Once a guy reaches Cup, that's all he's allowed to do now? Can't race anywhere else? At all?

Seriously, racers are racers, and they wanna race. Kenny Schrader raced three,four,five times a week during his Cup career.
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Agreed. Until Joe Gibbs places a clause in Kyle's contract forbidding him to race outside of NASCAR, I say why not? Congrats to Kyle. He wins 3 out of 4 this weekend, and get's to take the trophy girl home with him - every night. My hat's off to him.
 
I don't care about Cup drivers running late models. The Nationwide, Truck and K&N stuff (Logano) is what irritates me.

I actually like it when the Cup guys show up to late model races and return to their roots -- especially since so many of them (even drivers who run Nationwide all the time because "they love racing") refuse to show up, because again, it's all about the money.

It's also totally different because these drivers aren't running the ENTIRE CRA or ASA tour. They show up once or twice. It's great -- once a year, someone like Kyle Busch or Denny Hamlin show up and the late model drivers get to see what they're made of... it would be totally different if Kyle was bringing his enormous late model budget to Old Dominion every week, but that happens anyways with big name drivers (see: South Boston).

We have a bunch of NASCAR drivers coming out to Old Dominion later this month... guess what, it's gonna fill the stands to capacity. Just wish Logano would've accepted the invitation and had the balls to show up, I would love to hear him say Mike Darne or Dave Moon are racing him too hard!
 
VaDirt said:
So here's what I don't get. Once a guy reaches Cup, that's all he's allowed to do now? Can't race anywhere else? At all?

Seriously, racers are racers, and they wanna race. Kenny Schrader raced three,four,five times a week during his Cup career.

Oh, and I'd love to see you walk to any local short track and tell one of the LMSC drivers that they're nothing more than high school level racing.:rolleyes:
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Kind a moot point especially coming from a Kyle basher that his avatar is 48 Jimmy Johnson's number. I think his avatar says it all.
 
That said, I'm not too terribly impressed by Kyle's win... I cover late model racing, I know what the average budget and I know what the fundamentals of Kyle's budget is.

What does happen when Kyle runs SLM races is shows how impressive some of the other drivers are. For the most part, it's a forgone conclusion, when Kyle shows up to a late model race, he's going to win (except for Richmond earlier this year, that race was rigged).
 
VaDirt said:
So here's what I don't get. Once a guy reaches Cup, that's all he's allowed to do now? Can't race anywhere else? At all?

Seriously, racers are racers, and they wanna race. Kenny Schrader raced three,four,five times a week during his Cup career.

Oh, and I'd love to see you walk to any local short track and tell one of the LMSC drivers that they're nothing more than high school level racing.:rolleyes:
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I agree with VADirt. Wisconsin has some of the best Asphalt latemodel drivers in the country up there. They have been known to hand the Nascar boys their asses a few times. For proof just look at the #13 truck. The Sauter name is huge in Wisconsin on the asphalt then to top it off he has Joe Shear on top of his pit box which is another rockstar name in Wisconsin. If not for a broken axle kyle would only have 2 wins this weekend. I know Kyle didnt run well the whole night cause Kenseths kid set fast time. If you wanna talk dirt ive seen our Illinois boys woop up on Schrader and Stewart. It definitly aint high school level in fact far from it. Alot of it is exactly what everybody *****es about what Nascar should be.
 
I would like to add this, hopefully without contradicting myself. I'd love to see Kyle step out of comfort zone now and then. Maybe run the NASCAR night at Macon, and run an open wheel dirt modified, or try running the Chili Bowl midget nationals. He's obviously very much at home in a LMSC, but how long might it take him to warm up to something different.

(of course, given his first attempt at the Prelude a couple years ago, I'd say not too long)
 
I'll bet I can beat him to the corner bar for beers on my single-speed. :beerbang:
 
VaDirt said:
So here's what I don't get. Once a guy reaches Cup, that's all he's allowed to do now? Can't race anywhere else? At all?

Seriously, racers are racers, and they wanna race. Kenny Schrader raced three,four,five times a week during his Cup career.

Oh, and I'd love to see you walk to any local short track and tell one of the LMSC drivers that they're nothing more than high school level racing.:rolleyes:
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Ok, here's my problem with cup drivers racing at a lower level. My brother used to race 4 cylinders modified (Mini-stock), and he didn't have any sponsors. My dad and him paid for everything out of pocket and whatever they earned in the races.

How is it any resemblance of fair and balance when you have guys like my brother and my dad who worked on the cars themselves, paid for things out of pocket, and then you have someone like Kyle Busch come along, with his multi-million dollars racing team and having the best equipment money can buy?

It's just not impressive when a guy like Kyle Busch wins a Late Model race when he was competing against drivers and racing team who doesn't have the same money and resource as he does.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Ok, here's my problem with cup drivers racing at a lower level. My brother used to race 4 cylinders modified (Mini-stock), and he didn't have any sponsors. My dad and him paid for everything out of pocket and whatever they earned in the races.

How is it any resemblance of fair and balance when you have guys like my brother and my dad who worked on the cars themselves, paid for things out of pocket, and then you have someone like Kyle Busch come along, with his multi-million dollars racing team and having the best equipment money can buy?

It's just not impressive when a guy like Kyle Busch wins a Late Model race when he was competing against drivers and racing team who doesn't have the same money and resource as he does.
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So in other words, you're saying that once you make it in Cup, you can't race anywhere else? At all?
 
VaDirt said:
So in other words, you're saying that once you make it in Cup, you can't race anywhere else? At all?
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Not unless the driver is willing to forgo the money and resource that he has at his disposal, IE Slummin' it.


Also, I'd like to point out that I'd be making the same argument if it was one of the Hendricks drivers doing this. I like Gordon, Johnson and Martin, but to have either of them race in Late Model is like having the Chicago Bulls (when they had Michael Jordan) play against your local High School basketball team. It's just not that impressive when they win.
 
bottom line ppl it puts ppl in the stands
Petty has done it and a lot of others
 
...NASCAR's mortal enemy in stock car racing, USAC, was quick to point out to Chrysler that it was continuing to use the same rules it had in 1964 and the Plymouth and Dodge Hemi teams were welcome to compete on that circuit in 1965. Many did, including Paul Goldsmith, Bobby Isaac, and David Pearson. Richard Petty and Petty Enterprises went drag racing. In a Barracuda that they called "Outlawed," Petty attracted large crowds wherever his raced. Unfortunately, on 28 February 1965, the same day that a 100-miler was being run at the Asheville-Weaverville Speedway in Weaverville, North Carolina, Petty and "Outlawed" were at Southeastern Dragway in . During a match race with Arnie Beswick, the Barracuda experienced transmission problems off the line. As Petty tried to find second gear, the car started to get loose. When Petty finally got it into second gear the car suddenly broke loose, turned towards the spectator area, and hit the embankment. The Petty Blue Barracuda vaulted the embankment, being launched almost straight up, which carried the car over the fence that was supposed to protect the spectators, and into the crowd. Seven people were injured when the Barracuda slammed into the people who had come to watch the match races. One of these suffered severe head injuries, but there was an eighth victim, Wayne Dye - an eight-year old from Austell, Georgia. He died of his injuries before he reached the hospital. Petty suffered light injuries in the violent crash, but the shock of the young boy's death stayed with him for years.

...43/JR was out on the drag strips by November of 1964. Although it could probably have been raced in some existing class, “exhibition” was where the money and the most exposure was. The car was booked at various tracks well into the 1965 season. On February 28, 1965, 43/JR was scheduled for a best of three match race with Arnie Beswick at Southeastern Dragway in Dallas, Georgia. Dallas is northwest of Atlanta about 300 miles from Randleman. During one of the runs against Beswick a front suspension part broke sending the uncontrollable Barracuda off the strip and into the crowd of spectators. Several people were injured and one 8 year old boy named Wayne Dye was killed. Richard was okay but he and the family were devastated. JR was hauled home to the Petty junk yard in the woods behind the shops never to run again.

...The name "Outlawed" came from when Nascar outlawed the 426 Hemi from competition. Richard said "If you can't beat them then Outlaw them".
 
SpeedPagan said:
Not unless the driver is willing to forgo the money and resource that he has at his disposal, IE Slummin' it.


Also, I'd like to point out that I'd be making the same argument if it was one of the Hendricks drivers doing this. I like Gordon, Johnson and Martin, but to have either of them race in Late Model is like having the Chicago Bulls (when they had Michael Jordan) play against your local High School basketball team. It's just not that impressive when they win.
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Please compare apples to apples, not apples to, well, philly cheese steaks. I can't stand it when people try to use the pro ball to racing comparison, regardless of the reason. It's the most pointless ridiculous argument EVER.

Better call Kenny Schrader....have him park it.
 
VaDirt said:
Please compare apples to apples, not apples to, well, philly cheese steaks. I can't stand it when people try to use the pro ball to racing comparison, regardless of the reason. It's the most pointless ridiculous argument EVER.

Better call Kenny Schrader....have him park it.
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I actually agree with you to a point. I don't mind Cup drivers running Nationwide, Trucks or whatever -- neither does anyone else. The problem is when they run the entire season (or 99% of the season) like Kyle, Carl and Brad Keselowski do.

Harvick started this whole thing, and NASCAR should've put a stop to it then. Instead, they let it continue to the dismay of many fans (remember, they're trying to please the younger market who like certain drivers, not racing).

Remember, the fans that leave on lap 57 when the guy they think is hot are more important than the fans who used to wait outside for NSSN to arrive.
 
I'm with you on this, SpeedPagan. If you've been in cup for 2 or 3 years, you should be able to feed your win need beating the very best on Sunday. I judge Kyles talents on what he does in cup, period. Jumping in a high budget JGR car on Saturday and winning a race while Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson and Tony Stewart are taking naps will never make Kyle the equal of Petty...or Gordon, Johnson, Pearson, Cale or Waltrip. He needs to do it in cup.

IMO, if Kyle had concentrated on Cup after moving to JGR, he would have over 30 cup wins already.
 
FenderBumper said:
I'm with you on this, SpeedPagan. If you've been in cup for 2 or 3 years, you should be able to feed your win need beating the very best on Sunday. I judge Kyles talents on what he does in cup, period. Jumping in a high budget JGR car on Saturday and winning a race while Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson and Tony Stewart are taking naps will never make Kyle the equal of Petty...or Gordon, Johnson, Pearson, Cale or Waltrip. He needs to do it in cup.

IMO, if Kyle had concentrated on Cup after moving to JGR, he would have over 30 cup wins already.
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But if a racer wants to race, shouldn't he be able to? What if he'd rather be in a race car than on the couch in the hauler sleeping?

Funny you mention Waltrip. he also made numerous starts in his own high-dollar equipment in the ASA series during his Cup career.
 
Mods, doesn't this belong in one of the racing sections of the board? As much as we need yet another of these debate threads.

Even I'm resorting sarcasm, what next?
 
i suffer from the same frustrations as many of you, but... here's my theory on racing:

you set the rules and anyone who wants to race under those rules is more than welcome to run. the fans will determine if it's a profitable venture or not. the end.

jmo
 
klemmabyna said:
i suffer from the same frustrations as many of you, but... here's my theory on racing:

you set the rules and anyone who wants to race under those rules is more than welcome to run. the fans will determine if it's a profitable venture or not. the end.

jmo
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