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Now let's be honest. Is anyone else dreading this restrictor plate fiasco? I mean, sit around all day and watch everyone follow Junior and All-lip, wait for Steve Park to cause a 27 car wreck, and see who gets to race for third after the dust settles. Oh hold me back, I tremble with excitement.

It's looking like an NFL Sunday for sure. NASCAR Follow the Leader.
 
Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan
Now let's be honest.  Is anyone else dreading this restrictor plate fiasco?  I mean, sit around all day and watch everyone follow Junior and All-lip, wait for Steve Park to cause a 27 car wreck, and see who gets to race for third after the dust settles.  Oh hold me back, I tremble with excitement.

It's looking like an NFL Sunday for sure.  NASCAR Follow the Leader.
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I have to partly agree with you TNW about the restrictor plate fiasco. Just not convinced about the Jr./MW or Steve Park part of your post. It will be someone, just not sure who. Here the last couple of races, it seems that Park has just been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just like Ward. (Sorry what happened to him yesterday) I'm really not liking the restrictor plate races. I feel that the plates keep the cars bunched up too much and that lends to the massive wrecks. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. Just like you said in another post, you can "accidently" hit the button on the remote to change the channel and watch the NFL (is a possibility for me too, depending on the race). I am still not convinced that the smaller fuel cells on the cars will prevent the "Big One" from happening.
 
Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan
Now let's be honest.  Is anyone else dreading this restrictor plate fiasco?  I mean, sit around all day and watch everyone follow Junior and All-lip, wait for Steve Park to cause a 27 car wreck, and see who gets to race for third after the dust settles.  Oh hold me back, I tremble with excitement.

It's looking like an NFL Sunday for sure.  NASCAR Follow the Leader.
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No, I like to sit around all day waiting for someone else who obviously knows more about driving a race care than anyone else, slam the DEI drivers----again.
 
Originally posted by Shiloh
No, I like to sit around all day waiting for someone else who obviously knows more about driving a race care than anyone else, slam the DEI drivers----again.
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Anytime. Glad to accomodate.
 
Restrictor plate races aren't what they use to be. But I still like watching the races on restictor plate tracks.
 
Im going to have to agree with you on this one Tn-Ward-Fan. But arent Mikey and Jr. due for some bad luck at Dega or Tona
 
I find them nerve racking.

You have to give all the drivers an A+ for being out there in that pack so close to each other & a disaster at the same time.

I'm not a restrictor plate fan. the only remedy is to reduce the banking. na$car will never do that. The drivers have to be forced to back off the trottle to break up the packs. & a change to the track is the only thing that will accomplish that.

So that being said I hope everyone makes it thur the race safely!!!

It won't be happy racing this weekend to me.
 
I dread watching because we know who will win and the "big one" will occur. But I still want to watch to see if the smaller fuel cells actually make a difference.
 
Talledega has many things in common with all WC races.

We don't know who will win. Odds are this one or that one based on past performance perhaps, but how many times have we seen that go the other way? Since DEI cars seem to be the popular choice I would submit that this "domination" is awfully short lived. I mean how many years does it cover?

Attrition will play a big part in both the race outcome and the points chase. Won't that be completely different from the last 5 weeks or so!

Pit strategy will be a factor. Another new and unique factor in the race equation. Usually everybody just does the same thing and the performance of the pit crew plays little or no part in the race outcome.

The plates are unique and while I don't personaly care for them, it is nonetheless a race much like any other on the schedule. there sre some tracks that would not be among my favorites for various reasons, but I see no reason to declare them "non races".
 
I agree, I don't care for restrictor plate racing. i get nervous waiting for the big one to happen. I'm not a football fan, so I'll be watching the race. Iagree with HardScrabble, attrition will play a big part in how the points race stands after the race. I think we might see more pit strategy with the smaller fuel cell. Eventually the DEI dominance will come to an end, but I look for them to be strong again this weekend,
 
I don't like the restrictor plate races very much either. As much as I like the speed I think they should be taken off the circuit too. Too much danger and risk of death by a boneheaded move. I hope my team will be broadcast locally on Sunday.
 
They still go pretty fast, about 180? I don't know,I just don't like the pack racing. If they are going to race there do something to eliminate the pack racing.
 
They go faster on some 1.5 ovals then they do at Daytona and Talladega.
 
Yep, you're right Paul. (never thought I'd say that!! :D ) Atlanta is a lot faster than Daytona and Talladega.


Want to see something else that will blow your mind? Compare the speeds of the Winston Cup driver who wins the pole and the Busch driver who wins the pole for the Busch race. See who was faster.................Just for the Talladega and Daytona races.
 
You're right too furgoo.

Those races need to be removed, but, sadly, it will never happen. People love those wrecks.
 
The solution is too take the restrictor plates off and let them run. There are other ways to keep the cars from going 240 MPH!

All you have to do is watch an oldies race on Speedvision from the 1980's. They were averaging around 199MPH in thre mid 80's. There weren't many wrecks and the cars were more spread out and they even had the awesome "Sling Shot" move that Cale Yarborough became so good at!

Why doesn't nascar look back in history to see this?

All they have to do is run smaller engines or limit compression ratio's. No need for the cars to run 240 but also no reason to run 180 when cars at Atlanta and Charlotte and California are running around the 190MPH range on a much smaller track! Restrictor plate races have basically taken the driver out of the mix! Anyone can drive a cup car at Daytona and Talledega now a days! All you do is flat foot it and hold on!!!!

180 MPH is SLOW in the world of racing !!

Heck IRL Cars qualify at like 165 MPH at Richmond !
 
Do you think NASCAR will remove two tracks that hold 250,000-300,000 people? That's almost 12,000,000 tickets a year at an average of $100.00 a ticket. Then, since all of the terrorists threats at race tracks (there is a helluva lot of sarcasm there), you'll have to drink their drinks, eat there food, ect.....


That would be beucoup bucks they'd be losing.
 
And all the TV exposure the big wrecks get.

All the happy Bud sponsor money kickbacks...
 
I love the restirtor plate races! I love the way things can change by one little slip go from first to 30th with that slip. It gives the racing drama to see drivers try and plow there way back up to the front. Plus there is always a car of two upfront that normaly would not be up there and that is good for team moral and sponcerships! i wish they would built another high banked oval maybe bigger than dega (3 miles)
 
The problem is that it is just follow the leader racing! No passing! Make the cars faster and there will be more passing!!!!!!

Get an Education and watch an old race on Speedvision!
 
Cant stand plate races. Thankfully it falls on my weekend on at work. To me it's nothing more than three lane wide follow the leader racing. Or three lane wide rush hour traffic on I 95 only three times faster.

Jr/MW may be the hands on favorite but Jeff Gordon looked pretty stout at Daytona in July and may give them a run for their money.
 
Originally posted by tonystewart1
The problem is that it is just follow the leader racing! No passing! Make the cars faster and there will be more passing!!!!!!

Get an Education and watch an old race on Speedvision!
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Strangely enough I consider myself a fairly educated race fan. I don't particularly care for restrictor plate racing, but would never claim that there is no passing. It simply would ignore the facts.

Consider Talledega over the past 5 years. Since statistices on the number of total passes let's examine lead changes and the number of drivers who lead.

Average over those five years - - 29.5 lead changes
Average number of race leaders - - 14.4

Top number in this category was two years ago with 47 lead changes and 20 drivers leading a lap.

If you can find a track that compares favorably with these numbers, I'd be curious to see the numbers.

Keep in mind that this is lead changes only, since cars often fall from the top 5 to back around 20th and then come back to the top 5, total passes would be huge.

Facts will not support your statement.
 
Hardscrabble... Your right in plate races there are a lot of passing and lead changes but the changes occur like a yo yo. Back and fourth no sustained advantage. It all depends on who's with you, who will push you or pull you. All bunched up like a can of sardines. I fail to see where skill is involved. And you can all educate me on that last statement I probably deserve it.
 
Originally posted by Needles
Hardscrabble... Your right in plate races there are a lot of passing and lead changes but the changes occur like a yo yo.  Back and fourth no sustained advantage.  It all depends on who's with you, who will push you or pull you. All bunched up like a can of sardines. I fail to see where skill is involved.  And you can all educate me on that last statement I probably deserve it.
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The draft is the master and the master of draft is the king. Many lead changes and lead drivers by definition precludes a sustained advantage. Yes there is a big pack of cars, but is it easier to drive in a big pack or with just a few cars around?

Driver skill is such a subjective issue, I usually tend to stay away from too much about it. Suffice it to say that generally one cannot separate equipment, team, luck and skill with any degree of certainty.

Let's look at one stat and see where it leads. There is one driver who is without a doubt or any argument IMO, based on success, the master of the restrictor plate race. Dale Earnhardt.

At Dega for example he leads all drivers , all time, restricted or not, with a total of 10 wins. The closest to this have only 4. Of those 10 wins by Dale, 8 of them came after the restrictor plates were reinstated in the 80's. Skill? Luck? Equipment? Oh yeah, all of the above.

Again, I am not a fan of restrictor plates, but skill is a large factor as it is in all racing. the skills are just different from short track, road racing, rally racing or any other form you care to consider.

It has been said of Mr. Earnhardt that he could "see" the air in the draft and place himself exactly where he needed to be. Never heard Dale claim he could see air, but his abilities translated inot unparelled success on the restrictor plate tracks. It has nothing to do with "liking" the races, Dale was a confirmed plate hater, but you can't simply discount the races as all luck, or all equipment, or any other non driver factor. You may not like them, but they are hardly the source of all evil in auto racing. :)
 
Restrictor plate racing requires less skill then any other type of track, my grandma could win a race a dega with a dei car.
 
Good points Hardscrabble. Ok I'll concede that skill along with luck and equipment is needed to be successful in plate racing. To know how to work the draft is key and Dale was the master. But couldn't a not so skilled driver tuck himself in line with Dale and come away with a good finish? That finish wasn't because of his abilities more because of Dales? Or am I way off base?
 
Its funny how the only races micheal has been in contintion to win at were restrictor plate tracks.
 
Let the party begin at woodstock with wheels.Odds are there will be more bumping,and grinding going on in the partys around the track.;) :D
 
TN, I am mostly with you on this, just not the NFL part.

Fuel cell reduction will NOT unbunch the pack. Somebody will, of course, cause the "big one" but I really hope it's not Park.

I HATE restrictor plate racing. Dump 1 at each track and add another at Watkins Glen, KY too!
 
Well stated as always, HS. :)

I dread restrictor plate races these days because of the potential for "the big one". I also dread what will be said of Dale Jr. if he winds up making it two for two this year at Talladega. Not that I'd mind if he won, but it'd be nice if he won somewhere else this year.

I do, however, look forward to seeing 43 colorful cars speeding down the straightaway, four and five abreast. There's nothing quite as spectacular as that sight.
 
Originally posted by smack500
Its funny how the only races micheal has been in contintion to win at were restrictor plate tracks.
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Yeah, he only has Five top 5's in other races...........:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by abooja

I do, however, look forward to seeing 43 colorful cars speeding down the straightaway, four and five abreast. There's nothing quite as spectacular as that sight.
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Too bad it isn't naturally that way. Too bad it's all manufactured.
 
I'll be using the picture in picture option to watch the race and the NFL...

However, I'm not a restrictor plate racing fan...I hate turning the color of a smurf from holding my breath.

The plate races are "Silver Streak" races...remember the scene where Patrick McGoohan shoots the engineer and drops the toolbox on the throttle? Same principle at Daytona and Talladega.
 
I just hope the Gibbs boys do things a little different this time...like not hangin out in the back of the pack and ending up upside-down. Happens every fricken time. Come on, Smoke, stay safe up front.
 
I like restrictor plate racing, waiting to see the big one is always fun. Maybe it will happen before they get spread up cause of this dumb fuel cell restriction. If not all we are going to see one big line.
 
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