Why do drivers go out

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Theres the regulars who always go out within a few laps. Whats the reasoning? Why do they start if they just go out
 
They're doing what's called "start and parking". NASCAR has generous prize money for each position, including the last positions. Some teams will prepare cars just for qualifying and will quit within in a few laps to collect the prize money. Often these teams won't even have full pit crews or multiple sets of tires because they never intended to run the full race.
 
I'm not sure why you'd do that at plate race. Get enough speed in the car and you could possibly win, making more money..

Honestly, I wish Nascar had a limited speed you had to hit in qualifying to make the race or just cut the field to like 30.. Not even 25 can win every week anyway. Drop the dead weight.
 
I've always found it odd that like 1/4 of the field isn't competitive each week...it seems weird that there aren't more teams out there that are willing to develop cars to run competitively each week.
 
DSquad48 said:
I've always found it odd that like 1/4 of the field isn't competitive each week...it seems weird that there aren't more teams out there that are willing to develop cars to run competitively each week.
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This is nothing new either, I mean I kinda get it now with the economy the way it is but even 20 years ago, you had plenty of drivers just in it to pad the field..
 
I get the start and parks, but the 87 runs a ton of laps. He gets passed by everyone multiple times depending on the size of the track. There's no way it's a profitable venture for old Joe, is it?
 
Lazyking said:
This is nothing new either, I mean I kinda get it now with the economy the way it is but even 20 years ago, you had plenty of drivers just in it to pad the field..
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I guess so. It's just odd, you'd think there'd be somebody with money who'd want to fund a team that can run entire races, but instead there's room for a bunch of underfunded teams. I don't really follow other racing series; does that happen in like Indycar or F1?
 
Lazyking said:
This is nothing new either, I mean I kinda get it now with the economy the way it is but even 20 years ago, you had plenty of drivers just in it to pad the field..
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Yeah, NASCAR used to encourage it, too, and probably still does. As I recall, Kyle Petty said once that back in the 80s and 90s, if NASCAR only had 41 or 42 cars entered, they would call up some local late model stock car guy and offer him $10,000 to enter the race. I imagine some of those cars didn't even meet inspection, who knows. I know there have been some speculation about if current start-and-park cars are even inspected as rigorously as the guys who intend to run the full race.

Anyway, my point is, apparently NASCAR has encouraged it at some point and probably still does, or else they could find ways to stop guys from doing it.
 
Whammers10 said:
I get the start and parks, but the 87 runs a ton of laps. He gets passed by everyone multiple times depending on the size of the track. There's no way it's a profitable venture for old Joe, is it?
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Looking at his stats, he has some starts where he quits early and some where he almost runs the entire race. My guess? He start-and-parks some races for the money, then uses that money to try to make a semi-serious run at other races.

DSquad48 said:
I don't really follow other racing series; does that happen in like Indycar or F1?
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Not really. There is no prize purse in F1. In IndyCar, the purse is so small at every race except for the Indy 500 it's not worth anybody's while. As for the Indy 500, it's kind of like restrictor plate tracks in that there have been some no-chance hairball winners, so usually seems like the field is made up of guys trying to legit win.
 
DSquad48 said:
I guess so. It's just odd, you'd think there'd be somebody with money who'd want to fund a team that can run entire races, but instead there's room for a bunch of underfunded teams. I don't really follow other racing series; does that happen in like Indycar or F1?
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Not really start and park but in all forms of motorsport their are drivers/teams that have little chance of winning. In F1, they always have a set number of drivers for the season but not everyone really has a shot a winning.. Thing with the international series is it's heavy on developmental teams.

I guess it just bothers me more in Nascar
 
I guess it just bothers me more in Nascar[/quote]

Amen...And Nemechek is almost 50! Hardly developmental.
 
Whammers10 said:
I get the start and parks, but the 87 runs a ton of laps. He gets passed by everyone multiple times depending on the size of the track. There's no way it's a profitable venture for old Joe, is it?
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ol Joe has won over 1.6 million in cup and N'wide this year alone. That is not counting his 27th place finish tonight and Daytona is a big money race. He is pretty much a one man show. I'd trade in a heartbeat.
 
It used to be front row Joe now its crashem in the way joe.
 
DSquad48 said:
I guess so. It's just odd, you'd think there'd be somebody with money who'd want to fund a team that can run entire races, but instead there's room for a bunch of underfunded teams. I don't really follow other racing series; does that happen in like Indycar or F1?
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Man , you must live on a desert island somewhere . You've never seen underfunded teams in baseball ?, football ?, hockey? , soccer ?, . You think every baseball team has the same budget as the New York Yankees ? You think there is another way to start other than at the bottom ? You think Childress , Hendrick and Roush started at the top? I can't believe this crap.:mad:
 
StandOnIt said:
ol Joe has won over 1.6 million in cup and N'wide this year alone. That is not counting his 27th place finish tonight and Daytona is a big money race. He is pretty much a one man show. I'd trade in a heartbeat.
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Start calculating what it cost to run a team and get a car into a race, that 1.6 Mil begins looking pretty small.
 
FlFlash said:
Start calculating what it cost to run a team and get a car into a race, that 1.6 Mil begins looking pretty small.
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he doesn't have a "team" when he starts and parks, he doesn't even have a pit crew or uses up a set of tires. He usually has a sponsor or two, small stuff to help out. he races the big payout races and the rest he tries to get higher than 38th because lower then that all the way down pays the same. he makes a good living and he is still racing and is his own boss. got his son racing also. the whiners have a problem with it, but if you are a decent racer and businessman it works.
 
Oh, Morgan Shephard. I'm not a fan of S&Ps but I liked Shephard. He said in an interview somewhere that he can only afford one set of tires per race, so when the race comes, he goes as far as he can on a single set before his tires wear out. Maybe he was blowing smoke and just in it for the quick profit like others but something about that hit my heartstrings. Seemed like a heartfelt guy.
 
KevinWI said:
Oh, Morgan Shephard. I'm not a fan of S&Ps but I liked Shephard. He said in an interview somewhere that he can only afford one set of tires per race, so when the race comes, he goes as far as he can on a single set before his tires wear out. Maybe he was blowing smoke and just in it for the quick profit like others but something about that hit my heartstrings. Seemed like a heartfelt guy.
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Yep. When I talked to him, he said he pretty much raced on little more than a few pennies. I think he's back in nationwide now?
 
ted@economy said:
Man , you must live on a desert island somewhere . You've never seen underfunded teams in baseball ?, football ?, hockey? , soccer ?, . You think every baseball team has the same budget as the New York Yankees ? You think there is another way to start other than at the bottom ? You think Childress , Hendrick and Roush started at the top? I can't believe this crap.:mad:
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Haha, no, I do realize that not everybody has the same budget as the Yankess, Patriots, etc. etc. But you don't see teams in baseball whose sole purpose is to play 6 innings and then leave, or a football team whose sole purpose is to only play for one half. There are multiple teams in NASCAR that seem to have no vested interest in finishing entire races, which just seems odd to me.
 
DSquad48 said:
Haha, no, I do realize that not everybody has the same budget as the Yankess, Patriots, etc. etc. But you don't see teams in baseball whose sole purpose is to play 6 innings and then leave, or a football team whose sole purpose is to only play for one half. There are multiple teams in NASCAR that seem to have no vested interest in finishing entire races, which just seems odd to me.
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It's not odd at all , they can't afford to finish the whole race till they find a sponsor to pay for it . However , if they stop trying , and attempting to start races , they will not find anyone to help them. It's not a profit making venture or everyone on your block would be doing it , but ,if done correctly , a team could break even for a while.
 
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