will F1 for gene Haas take from SHR??

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It is looking like Gene Haas is actually going to go through with its F1 team. The costs of such and endeavor are insane with a tuff chance of success. I can't help but think this will be a huge distraction for SHR's operations. They use HMS engines and chassis. I am not sure we have seen a competing team supply its best stuff to another organization that is capable of beating them to this level. I am sure jimmie and chad are thinking now why are we selling them stuff when we just lost a race to them. I know this has happened somewhat in the past but now with harvick and busch added to the mix this will cost HMS wins. I can't see how this will not get old for HMS. My point in all this is instead of worrying about F1 wouldn't Gene be better off putting the pieces together to supply their own cars and engines??
 
Personally I dont believe there will be an American F-1 team anytime soon, apparently Ecclestone doesnt believe it either.
 
Who knows. F1 want's to break in to the US market and gain a following. I wouldn't be surprised if they are offering financial help to a US team. I'm sure nascar payed Danica to make the switch.
 
Who knows. F1 want's to break in to the US market and gain a following. I wouldn't be surprised if they are offering financial help to a US team. I'm sure nascar payed Danica to make the switch.


The recent changes to the cars will probably scare off a bunch of american fans, the sport has had a hard enough time keeping a race in the states. Cota should be nervous, the Indy cars still sound like race cars and that series is hurting and has been for years. Its been a life long dream of mine to attend an F-1 race, to see and hear those awesome cars. Its been removed from my Bucket list now, my International Harvester pickup sounds WAY better than the new F-1 cars do :(
 
Wow looks like Danica will be driving an F1 then. Didn't she wave off F1 to come to NA4CAR?
 
Can't we ever put this second rate engine thing to bed ? Engine builders spare no expense to make every engine identical . They don't make any attempt to grade or seperate engines for one company or another . Other teams will only pay top dollar if they are getting the identical engine that the Hendrick teams get . Hendrick teams have been beaten many times by their own engines . As have Roush and anyone else that sells engines . Even the Hendrick teams have no say in what engine they get . It is what it is .
 
Can't we ever put this second rate engine thing to bed ? Engine builders spare no expense to make every engine identical . They don't make any attempt to grade or seperate engines for one company or another . Other teams will only pay top dollar if they are getting the identical engine that the Hendrick teams get . Hendrick teams have been beaten many times by their own engines . As have Roush and anyone else that sells engines . Even the Hendrick teams have no say in what engine they get . It is what it is .
I see no one saying anyone is building second rate engines for other teams. infact I am saying the opposite I am saying is there a point when hendrick starts to say hey we are getting out ran by our own stuff too much. I am not sure hendrick ever envisioned supplying a team truely capable of beating them out of a title. not only that is they now have 3 drivers that could do it. When this deal first started out it was tony that was the treat to take wins away from them. SHR has the driving talent to go toe to toe, one might even say they could have a better lineup of drivers. I see this F1 deal as a distraction, If I was them I would be focused on becoming more independent from hendrick. but then again I don't know the exact inner workings of their agreement with HMS perhaps I don't know what I am talking about. but this is what I see as an outsider.
 
Personally I dont believe there will be an American F-1 team anytime soon, apparently Ecclestone doesnt believe it either.

Old news, dude. Ecclestone told British newspaper he thinks Haas will get his F1 team.
 
The real question is will Haas spend enough money to have a competitive F1 team. Even then, it will take 5 years.


I cant even begin to imagine how much its going to cost to get into that game, with all the new technical goodies and what not. Haas must have money to burn to go up against the likes of RBR Ferarri and all the rest. I still look for the deal to fall through but I might be wrong
 
I cant even begin to imagine how much its going to cost to get into that game, with all the new technical goodies and what not. Haas must have money to burn to go up against the likes of RBR Ferarri and all the rest. I still look for the deal to fall through but I might be wrong
I think the current rumors say that the super teams like RBR and Ferrari spend upwards of $400m per year while the mid-sized teams like Sauber and Williams spend like $150m per year.

The thing is that Ferrari and Mercedes are in the business of selling fast street cars, so they probably can justify spending that on F1 teams as advertising (win on sunday, sell on monday). Gene would basically be eating the costs of his F1 team as a hobby, even if he puts his own company name on the side of the car. Like Dietrich and Red Bull, but Dietrich has much deeper pockets than Gene.
 
I think the current rumors say that the super teams like RBR and Ferrari spend upwards of $400m per year while the mid-sized teams like Sauber and Williams spend like $150m per year.

The thing is that Ferrari and Mercedes are in the business of selling fast street cars, so they probably can justify spending that on F1 teams as advertising (win on sunday, sell on monday). Gene would basically be eating the costs of his F1 team as a hobby, even if he puts his own company name on the side of the car. Like Dietrich and Red Bull, but Dietrich has much deeper pockets than Gene.


Any clue as to whos "power units" he will be using ??

( I hate that "power unit" name but its the proper term I guess )
 
^ Dallara monocoque/suspension/aero and Ferrari power units.
 
Who knows. F1 want's to break in to the US market and gain a following. I wouldn't be surprised if they are offering financial help to a US team. I'm sure nascar payed Danica to make the switch.

Ecclestone takes money, I'm pretty sure he doesn't offer financial help (if he did it would have been for the Austin track). Ecclestone made a comment about Danica (when she was in Indycar) that she should stay in the kitchen.
 
With the people, money and other resources available, I have wonder there isn't already a competitive American F1 team:blink:

I'd like to see Hornish in an F1 ride.
 
That's going to be quite a trick since teams have to develop their own chassis under the new rules.

That rule's been off the books for a while. HRT ran cars out of the Dallara factory.

NASCAR race team boss, Gene Haas and technical director Günther Steiner, have been in Europe this week, specifically in meetings with the FIA to explain his business plan for an F1 team. They have also visited Maranello to discuss arrangements for the powertrain for their 2015 F1 car.

Haas is now expected to be given the green light to compete in F1 next year, with a chassis designed by Dellara and a Ferrari engine. The last Formula 1 race car from Dallara was run by the now defunct HRT team.

http://thejudge13.com/2014/02/26/daily-f1-news-and-comment-wednesday-26th-february-2014/#New teams for 2015
 
You like F1 competition? I always keep an F1 race recording on my DVR for those nights when I can't fall asleep.

The sound of the "new" F-1 car will put anybody to sleep, its better than counting sheep:(
 
I wouldn't care if it made any sound at all if I could go that fast. Aunty Dive, I love your avatar. It brings back good memories. Do you know who the driver is and where was it taken?
 
The engine sounds bad, but the racing is worse. I like side by side, and that isn't F1.

Not much side by side, Tire strategy provides most of the excitement during the race. Qualifying is the best part for me as the pole man generally wins.
I still love F-1 but all the changes have all but killed it, I long for the days when Ayrton Senna ruled the sport and they still called engines engines.
I hope Nascar doesnt go the same direction
 
I dont mind the technology they have now, but F1 in general has gotten stupid, and it started when they started allowing composite materials. The only reason they've had to go to smaller and smaller powerplants is because the cars have gotten lighter and lighter and the use of composites is damn near 98%. That said, i'm sure they are still making the level of power on par with a cup car will less than half the weight. I can't imagine what those cars would be doing if they had real engines.

As far as affecting the cup side, Gene Haas has pockets and hardly a brain. If he somehow manages to fund an F1 team, yes it will affect the cup operation. On the other hand, and I think most of you have missed this, SHR is NOT a separate NASCAR team. It is merely a fully functional satellite for HMS so that Rick can have an 8 car team. I highly doubt that Gene is in on much, as evidenced by his outright pursuit of Kurt without consulting anybody else about the logistics of it.

And the exact same thing will happen in F1. I think he's going to put a team together and be every bit of a backmarker, and hope somebody comes in and runs what he can't and/or assimilates with an established team.
 
but he's poor when working with a team, see: hiring Kurt. Also, how many times has he been in jail?

He owns the team ... he can do as he pleases and demonstrated that quite clearly. So far, the Kurt Busch thing looks like a good decision to me.

To the best of my knowledge, he is a one-time convicted felon and served time in jail for that. Rather like the gentleman from whom he purchases chassis, engine, engineering and other racing-related services. Mr. Hendrick was a convicted felon prior to his Presidential Pardon., so the two of them also have that in common.
 
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