Wings, Yellow Lines & No Bump Zones may be a thing of the past?

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Word is that NASCAR is investigating the possibility of replacing the rear wings with the old-style rear spoiler in time for the 2010 season per Ramsey Poston. He went on to say that NASCAR is likely to loosen the reins on drivers next season, saying, "We're going to let the drivers drive." While declining to give specifics prior to the official announcement, it is expected that NASCAR will eliminate the controversial "no bumping zones" at superspeedways, and possibly even the rule prohibiting drivers from racing below a yellow line at the bottom of the banking at both Daytona and Talladega.
 
i'm for eliminating the wings and no bump zones. the yellow line rule should be kept.
 
I am putting in my vote for NO yellow line. It's caused nothing but controversy since it was instituted. I think it's caused more issues than before it was ever implemented. The only thing that was more silly than that line to being with was when they decided to make it a double yellow line. :rolleyes:
 
No wing:beerbang: and back to a spoiler:beerbang:

Bumping in the corners? Some chowderhead will cause the mega big one.

Unsure about the yellow line.
 
If its true sounds like NASCAR is finally listening to fans and teams. I would start watching again with more interest if they went ahead and did this. If you take the yellow line away thats one less thing that drivers can get away with. Ive seen more drivers try crazy moves to get someone to move below the yellow line and cause problems then I have violators getting flagged. Every time someone does get flagged it becomes the big controversy for the week.
 
Yellow line rule only in corners (where the major reason for it's existance is important), freedom elsewhere
 
So basically we are taking the Cup car and making it a New nationwide car, why did i see this happening they already have all the cars in place ...The Challenger, The Mustang, Impala SS, and of course the Camry. Eliminating all these rules will only lead to chaos, more accidents and a bunch of bent up sheet metal. Is Nascar this desperate to improve ratings?? I'm for getting rid of the wing the other 2 ..no, get rid of the plate and now we are getting some where!
 
Mopardh9 said:
I'm for getting rid of the wing the other 2 ..no, get rid of the plate and now we are getting some where!
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NASCAR needs to get back to building race cars that are closer to stock cars. You want to get rig of the plate then build fuel injected engines like a stock automobile of today. And what are they going to do paint the yellow line white? What my problem is with the yellow line is they should have a yellow line on every track not just the super speedways. As for the bump drafting I'm for outlawing it all together, like Ned Garrett said the big one always happens on the straightaways anyway, at over 180mph it's to dangerous period.
 
Less rules equals more fun. The wing looked ugly especialy in person just didnt look good at all. The no bump rule was just ridicouls when your running in a 40 car pack, guess they noticed half the Talledaga race was run single file. And there should be no yellow line on the backstrecth but leave it in the corners.
 
Oh geez, why are we still hung up on that wing? Both the wing and the spoiler are on the back of the car to create downforce. When the car is turned around at 180mph downforce becomes lift. The wing did not cause Newman's car to flip. Bobby Allison's 1987 crash did the same thing, and that car had a spolier.

As far as the other changes, I like the idea of just letting them race. Less rules = better racing. I think they should get rid of the yellow line rule as well. Eventually we're going to get to the point where we'll have instant replays to see if someone did or didn't go below the yellow line. Let the infield grass serve that purpose. No one is going to go below that.

But I think the real problem is with the restrictor plates. Get rid of those first.
 
I have had no problem with the wing.

The yellow line rule needs to stay. Because if they take it out, they'll be blocking to and into the grass. That's a huge danger.
 
foehammer111 said:
Oh geez, why are we still hung up on that wing? Both the wing and the spoiler are on the back of the car to create downforce. When the car is turned around at 180mph downforce becomes lift. The wing did not cause Newman's car to flip. Bobby Allison's 1987 crash did the same thing, and that car had a spolier.

As far as the other changes, I like the idea of just letting them race. Less rules = better racing. I think they should get rid of the yellow line rule as well. Eventually we're going to get to the point where we'll have instant replays to see if someone did or didn't go below the yellow line. Let the infield grass serve that purpose. No one is going to go below that.

But I think the real problem is with the restrictor plates. Get rid of those first.
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I totally agree with everything in your post, except one thing when these guys get carried away with the bump drafting some one is bound to get hurt. Allison was going probably 10-15mph faster when he went air born , but then again that was a less aoerodynamic car then the cars of today. It is a trade off, keep the plate you get edge to edge pack racing, get rid of it you got cars going 220-230 in the draft, IMO that is too fast. There has to be a middle ground met by either creating a smaller engine package-less hp for the plate tracks, or you restrict them , but give them enough get-away power so there is no huge packs. Pack racing is not racing, it is a recipe for disaster, the smallest mistake and....wham the big one takes out 15 really good cars capable of winning the race. If the plate issue is not addressed then taking these 2 tracks off the schedule should be looked at, either way NASCAR needs to do something. Smaller crowds, complaints from the drivers, and fans watching on TV turning away to look at something different on the tube are showing there adverse effects in the POCKETBOOKS of NASCAR. When that becomes too much of a negative NASCAR will act and act quickly with wholesale changes.
 
What was the 'big issue' that caused them to have the yellow line rule to begin with in 2001? I never remember an issue with car being run down into the grass while trying to make a pass.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
What was the 'big issue' that caused them to have the yellow line rule to begin with in 2001? I never remember an issue with car being run down into the grass while trying to make a pass.
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I believe there was an issue with Jeffy and some one else at Daytona, can't remember what happened but there was an accident due to going below the line and after that the yellow line rule was adopted.
 
While the television ratings for NASCAR have declined overall. Talladega & Daytona are, for the most part, the highest of the season.

The cars will never run unrestricted in some manner at these two tracks. As long as they are restricted, how can there ever be any throttle response? I've never heard that explained from anyone.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I believe there was an issue with Jeffy and some one else at Daytona, can't remember what happened but there was an accident due to going below the line and after that the yellow line rule was adopted.
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They just need to pass a new rule where two or more cars aren't allowed to occupy the same space at the same time and these darn wrecks will be a thing of the past. :rolleyes:
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
While the television ratings for NASCAR have declined overall. Talladega & Daytona are, for the most part, the highest of the season.

The cars will never run unrestricted in some manner at these two tracks. As long as they are restricted, how can there ever be any throttle response? I've never heard that explained from anyone.
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What you do is limit the amount of restiction and also decrease the HP by using a smaller displacemnet engine. Instead of 358CI you would go to a 300CI with a smaller carb, less HP but still throttle response. This would produce around 550HP compared to a non-restricted cup engine which now produces about 750-770HP.
 
Mopardh9 said:
What you do is limit the amount of restiction and also decrease the HP by using a smaller displacemnet engine. Instead of 358CI you would go to a 300CI with a smaller carb, less HP but still throttle response. This would produce around 550HP compared to a non-restricted cup engine which now produces about 750-770HP.
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Why wouldn't their foot be on the floor like it is now?
 
wilson89 said:
I think it came from this watch the first few seconds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42-RGrqYA5M
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BINGO..... That was it. Close call, yes. Calamity, not at all. Certainly not worth a rule change to begin with.

Thanks for finding that video. I knew that it was Gordon and Wallace involved but I thought it was Wallace on the apron. Who was that coming out of the pits on the apron?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Why wouldn't their foot be on the floor like it is now?
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It would be just like it is now, but they would have better response accelerating, especially if they back off a little , they possibly will be able to run in smaller packs like back in the old days. Back in the 70s if you watch videos from these race you will see 5 and 6 car drafts not 30. I think this could happen if the smaller engine package were to be created. Realistically though , I feel that NASCAR will never do this.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
BINGO..... That was it. Close call, yes. Calamity, not at all. Certainly not worth a rule change to begin with.

Thanks for finding that video. I knew that it was Gordon and Wallace involved but I thought it was Wallace on the apron. Who was that coming out of the pits on the apron?
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I belive it was Ricky Rudd coming from the pits. And yes that could of been a major crash had Gordon not of gotten off the apron.
 
wilson89 said:
I belive it was Ricky Rudd coming from the pits. And yes that could of been a major crash had Gordon not of gotten off the apron.
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Thanks knew it was Gordon but couldn't remember who else was involved.
 
Either in '99 or '00, Mike Skinner ran Tony Stewart all the way down to the grass. Skinner ended up in the grass and came back into the path of a bunch of cars and started a big mess. That happened after the Daytona 500 deal.
 
The yellow line rule is a necessary evil. The rule is just poorly enforced. In two different races last year, they failed to penalize the 11 car last year for passing below the yellow line. But they sure were quick to take a win away from Regan Smith.:rolleyes:
 
Magnethead said:
Also, look at that video-

Where is the 30 car pack?
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If the rules aren't changed what happened at Dega back in October will happen again, single file boring follow the leader racing for 3/4 of the race. Hopefully Nascar will make the right call on this one , but I doubt it.
 
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