winning daytona 500 pays more than winning cup title?!?! champ marginalized?

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Before the race last week I read an article that said the cup champion typically won 4-5 million extra when they won the series championship until this year. The winnings have now essentially been cut in half. Winning the daytona 500 paid more than 2 million. although we don't know this year because nascar isn't publishing winnings. none the less it appears that because of the RTA and its deal with the charters its created more of a socialistic style of pay for race winnings. I wonder how this effected the contracts for the drivers because these did have to be redone. If your a kevin harvick or JJ, or kyle busch you probably don't like the idea of race winnings being spread out more so 20th place teams collect more. I wonder if the top drivers demanded a higher % of the purse winnings than they were getting? at the same time the lower tier teams drivers would be getting more pay because the money was spread out to benefit them more. I know this all sounds sort of inside baseball but most of these guys half their pay is based on race winnings. and in JJ's case he is probably taking about a 3 million hair cut between lesser cup champion purse and also lesser prize money throughout the year.

The other thing is combine less that 2 million in purse for the cup champion with the the IMO hokey way its all decided I have to wonder if they have marginalized the whole deal? I say YES they have. an entire season should not come down to one race unless the points are really that close. once you have made it russian roulette if you win or do well at homestead then you pay the champ less than winning the daytona 500 how can you not say the cup champion has been marginalized. its simply hype for attracting sponsorship and selling merchandise.

read here http://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/s...scar-cuts-prize-2016-sprint-cup-champion-half
 
Well, the championship is decided by one race so it makes sense they get paid less for winning it. :biggrin:
 
Money being more evenly distributed is a good thing.

That extra 5 million would've been lost in JJ's couch cushion anyway
 
hidesert cowboy said:
hey yahooo did you read the link I posted. YEAH umm give that a gander before you pop off as a doubting thomas.
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I don't pop off.

You might want to reread the information regarding the re-negotiation of driver compensation in the face of the new business model.

And ... charter teams earn more, not less every week. Ask the non-charter people who get less for a 10th than another competitor gets for a 25th.

Maybe it's the dry up there in Palmdale.
 
Daytona 500 means more than the championship no matter the format (in my opinion). It's called the Super Bowl of NASCAR for a reason. If I were a driver, I would rather have 1 Daytona 500 trophy and 0 championship trophies over 20 championship trophies and 0 Daytona 500 trophies.
 
aunty dive said:
I don't pop off.

You might want to reread the information regarding the re-negotiation of driver compensation in the face of the new business model.

And ... charter teams earn more, not less every week. Ask the non-charter people who get less for a 10th than another competitor gets for a 25th.

Maybe it's the dry up there in Palmdale.
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Yes you do pop off without thinking. How in the world is a top tier team i.e. Jj getting paid more with a charter when the the other charter teams are making more money and they are 30th? You flat out utterly missed my entire point by a mile and a half. They socialized the point fund. So my point is you don't get as much if your at the top or close to it. They spread that out to lower teams. So much so that Jj might be making less winning the title than the 500 winner did. I don't care what anyone thinks that's a problem. Read the dam link
 
Because the chartered teams get a flat fee for showing up and the rest of their weekly payoff based on finishing position. Furthermore, payouts are higher due to an increase to teams and tracks from the TV money and because the 4 non-charter finishers get far less than they did before.

Current driver contracts were re-done in order to ensure equalization. Do you really think these guys took less for still current contracts?

That link isn't the only information available on this subject. Your thread is interesting in that it shines a brighter light on the strength of the RTA.

I'll repeat myself. I don't pop off. Thanks for not calling me a name this time. How are the Hornadays?
 
hidesert cowboy said:
hey yahooo...
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It's a Yahooo thread... :mad:

The Daytona 500 winner's purse was $1.5 million for the last two years before the charter system, with the total race purse above $18 million. The cup champion's points fund payout was about $4.8 million. You don't know what % of either would go to JJ according to his contract with HMS, or any other of the drivers according to their various contracts.

That $18 mil race purse has now been divided into four different buckets. Only one bucket is race purse, but three buckets are affected by on-track results, and one bucket is the same for every charter. The points fund has also been reallocated, who knows how many buckets for that. And you don't know what % of either would go to JJ according to his *reworked* contract with HMS, but you do know it was reworked. You also know all the major team drivers have reworked deals with higher %'s of the lower $'s.

As for marginalizing the championship... hogwash. It has never received more focus or attention or promotion than it receives now. Good, bad, or indifferent, that is the way of the (media-driven) world circa 2016.
 
LewTheShoe said:
It's a Yahooo thread... :mad:



As for marginalizing the championship... hogwash. It has never received more focus or attention or promotion than it receives now. Good, bad, or indifferent, that is the way of the (media-driven) world circa 2016.
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The reason I thought of this is because looking back many drivers didn't run for the title pre Winston cup. Pearson, Yarborough etc didn't run for the title early in their careers, why if you asked them, they would say it didn't pay anything. Translated they thought it didn't pay enough or very little. We don't know what the 500 pays now days but I do know it used to be 2 million. Combine that with a hokey win it all in one race deal I suppose the real accomplishment is being justly compensated now days. Still we may have the 500 as the more lucrative win.

What made the 500 the biggest race of the season was the purse. That's the way it's always been.
 
Nascar would be better served having transparency as much as possible as the more that is out in the open the better things are. We know how much the players in stick and ball make as well as the league commissioners compensation.

Nascar's tracks know how many tickets they have sold to a race so announce the real attendance figures. Nascar knows how much each team is getting for each race so let it be known instead of being secretive. If Nascar had the ability to squash TV ratings they would and with Brian France telling us that viewing from platforms other than TV "are off the charts" just tell us how off the charts they are. This is the 21st Century and the things I mention should be known by all who car to know.
 
Hmmm...
True that in Pearson's and Yarborough's prime days the championship didn't pay enough to entice them to chase it. Petty said he also didn't seriously chase championships... he may have won more than his seven if he'd tried to. But back then race winnings paid the bills so a lot of teams raced win-or-break-trying.

NASCAR puts most of its money into the Daytona 500 because that was its flagship from way back. Doesn't hurt that the same people who run NASCAR also own Daytona.

Interesting that you consider a capitalist idea like franchising to be socializing the race winnings. Part of the franchise deal forces the purse to be split more evenly among more teams. If it was real socializing then wouldn't they give the back-marker teams more of the money so they could compete better against the "haves"? And instead of guaranteeing 30 of 40 starting positions to franchised teams, giving more starting spots to non-franchised teams?

Also odd that you say it marginalizes the champion by paying him less than the winner of one race (Daytona 500), then admit that that's how it was in the old days. Considering that today the champion gets a lot more media coverage than he did in the old days, and overall more than the winner of one race (even the Daytona 500), I wouldn't say that the champion is getting marginalized. Hype of attracting sponsorship and selling merchandise? That's always been there.

Who knows how different drivers are paid? They don't disclose the terms of their contracts. It is safe to assume that the better performing and more popular drivers earn more than the others, but purse winnings are relatively insignificant for all but a few. Sponsorship money overtook purses decades ago. Even back-of-the-pack drivers are earning seven figures, so I can't feel sorry for how they're effected by purse or championship payout structures.

As far as the Chase deal that throws out team performance all year and decides the championship based upon one race, I agree that's hokey. But the teams and drivers knew it would be that way when they signed up so now it's too late to cry about it. Maybe NASCAR will heed its fans' complaints and make changes... but probably not, or they'll come up with a new aggravating gimmick.
 
I haven't read anything about drivers quitting because they feel they're underpaid, either for the championship or for any one individual race.
 
To me the Daytona 500 is still the biggest event in the sport. The 400 at Homestead to finish the chase is obviously a huge deal but it doesn't mean what the 500 means. Especially with so many fans appearing to dislike the format that makes Homestead what it is.
 
I think racing in general is a very unique setup. It's not quite the team sport of football and basketball with salaries and franchises, but not fully the individual sport like tennis and golf where the winner makes a crap ton of money
 
RacerrecaR said:
Daytona 500 means more than the championship no matter the format (in my opinion). It's called the Super Bowl of NASCAR for a reason. If I were a driver, I would rather have 1 Daytona 500 trophy and 0 championship trophies over 20 championship trophies and 0 Daytona 500 trophies.
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So your good with Junior's totals. :D
 
Yeah, as someone who loathes the Chase, I could not possibly care less. Of course, I don't like plate racing either, but let's not go there for the moment. Since the Chase isn't going away anytime soon, yes please, de-emphasize how lucrative it is to win all you want. Make the individual crown jewel events matter more. I like it when racing is about going to the track and going all out to win that weekend.
 
gnomesayin said:
Yeah, as someone who loathes the Chase, I could not possibly care less. Of course, I don't like plate racing either, but let's not go there for the moment. Since the Chase isn't going away anytime soon, yes please, de-emphasize how lucrative it is to win all you want. Make the individual crown jewel events matter more. I like it when racing is about going to the track and going all out to win that weekend.
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I don't understand what you loath about the Chase unless you are being sarcastic with your last sentence. The Chase is all about going all out for a win each race. I see a lot of people on here seem to hate the Chase.
 
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