Would Kurt Busch be Chase-eligible if he returns?

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LAS VEGAS — Stewart-Haas Racing co-owner Gene Haas on Sunday said Chase-eligibility was a factor in whether Kurt Busch, indefinitely suspended by NASCAR following domestic abuse allegations, would be allowed to return to the No. 41 Chevrolet.

"At this time that's really up to NASCAR," Haas said. "Some of our concerns are, obviously, if he does come back, could we get in the Chase. So, those issues now kind of really reside with NASCAR."

The sanctioning body can grant exemptions for drivers who miss races. NASCAR gave exemptions to Denny Hamlin and Brian Vickers, who had to sit out with medical problems.



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Would Kurt Busch be Chase-eligible if he returns?
 
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"At this time that's really up to NASCAR," Haas said. "Some of our concerns are, obviously, if he does come back, could we get in the Chase. So, those issues now kind of really reside with NASCAR."

The sanctioning body can grant exemptions for drivers who miss races. NASCAR gave exemptions to Denny Hamlin and Brian Vickers, who had to sit out with medical problems.



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Would Kurt Busch be Chase-eligible if he returns?
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I'm not sure how he can say that it's just up to NASCAR. Chevy has also cut ties with him. Would they just roll over and agree to whatever NASCAR decides?
 
Tumbleweed said:
I'm not sure how he can say that it's just up to NASCAR. Chevy has also cut ties with him. Would they just roll over and agree to whatever NASCAR decides?
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If Nascar clears Kurt to race, then either he'll drive or Chevy or not. If he does drive a Chevy, they're gonna tell Nascar he can't make the chase.
 
Tumbleweed said:
Chevy has also cut ties with him.
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No, that's incorrect. Their wording from the start has been that they've "suspended" their relationship with him, and it was confirmed this week that he's still "suspended". Furthermore, the member here who works PR for (with?) Kurt (and has since deleted all his posts about Kurt, so I'm being vague on purpose but we all know who he is) said that Chevrolet wants Kurt back.
 
NASCAR shouldn't have suspended him in the first place. If Kurt doesn't receive an exemption, NASCAR can go f*** themselves.
 
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Last week, when they announced that no charges will be filed, I was all for him being reinstated. At this point I'm finding myself caring less and less about Kurt and his situation. One judge finding sufficient evidence to issue a order keeping him away from her and then another directive from the prosecutors office saying there's not enough evidence to file charges. We will never learn the real story of what happened and at this point, I don't care.
 
Reck said:
The way that org is running, making the chase is probably last on the list of things to do. LOL
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True. I was thinking of this while watching the race. What has happened to SHR? Then I realized, well Kurt has been a sore spot for some time for NASCAR and his car owner(s). Tony, after a great Championship season, was injured, then involved in that horrific incident causing the death of that young driver........and he appears to not have mentally gotten over either occurrence. The one bright spot has been Kevin. First time new team last year.....all new equipment.....much to adjust to and overcome, and still got a Championship. This year, the 4 team seems to be right back to business, but it is a long season. Still, if the 4 team can stay above all the controversy that seems to surround SHR, I think they are a legitimate contender this year, and may well repeat. They are only a three car team right?
 
Stewart-Haas Racing co-owner Gene Haas on Sunday said Chase-eligibility was a factor in whether Kurt Busch, indefinitely suspended by NASCAR following domestic abuse allegations, would be allowed to return to the No. 41 Chevrolet.
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That doesn't make sense to me. If I understand correctly, Regan Smith isn't eligible for the Chase either, since he's running for it in Xfinity.
 
KevinWI said:
No, that's incorrect. Their wording from the start has been that they've "suspended" their relationship with him, and it was confirmed this week that he's still "suspended". Furthermore, the member here who works PR for (with?) Kurt (and has since deleted all his posts about Kurt, so I'm being vague on purpose but we all know who he is) said that Chevrolet wants Kurt back.
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I believe what Chevy suspended was their personal services relationship with Kurt. That means he won't be receiving any money from them for appearances, endorsements, etc. I don't think that means he can't race in a Chevy. I don't think any agreements for manufacturer support for the #41 or SHR are affected either.
 
Nichodemus said:
That doesn't make sense to me. If I understand correctly, Regan Smith isn't eligible for the Chase either, since he's running for it in Xfinity.
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This makes me question why they would even field the car at all. I can understand due to sponsor commitment but Haas is the one footing the bill. Thinking about it more - with Kurts possible reinstatement they have to keep the car and crew in the loop...
 
KevinWI said:
No, that's incorrect. Their wording from the start has been that they've "suspended" their relationship with him, and it was confirmed this week that he's still "suspended". Furthermore, the member here who works PR for (with?) Kurt (and has since deleted all his posts about Kurt, so I'm being vague on purpose but we all know who he is) said that Chevrolet wants Kurt back.
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I didn't delete anything. Choosing to believe or not believe what I post is part of the fun that comes with a message board - but I do stand behind every single thing I post, so if things were deleted, I promise it wasn't me.

Chevy will likely be mirroring every single thing NASCAR does (or so that's what we've been told by them since the beginning). If you've noticed, they've issued (pretty much) identical statements to NASCAR statements, and within about 15 minutes of the NASCAR statements. I expect the same moving forward, but who knows. And to clarify, they've suspended Kurt's PSAs (personal service agreements). He'd still be allowed to drive the #41 even if they continued to suspend the PSAs. The #41 CAR contract is with SHR, not the driver. So he'd be allowed to drive the #41, he just wouldn't receive a check from Chevy to promote the brand (at track hospitality, track appearances at Chevy display, dealership appearances etc).
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Harvick's in the Chase. :idunno:
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And Tony, Danica, and the #41 aren't even close. Tony doesn't appear to have his head together and Danica hasn't developed necessary consistency. The #41 currently has a driver who isn't eligible, and the regular driver may not be run enough races to get into the top 30 in points.

.250 doesn't even cut it in baseball any more.
 
Wrangler1 said:
This makes me question why they would even field the car at all. I can understand due to sponsor commitment but Haas is the one footing the bill. Thinking about it more - with Kurts possible reinstatement they have to keep the car and crew in the loop...
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The #41 exists because Gene loves the way Kurt drives, and wanted him to drive a car with Haas on the hood. It really is as simple as that. I know this for two reasons: 1) he told Kurt that, and 2) he's turned down other potential sponsors looking to buy the car. I truly believe that if NASCAR had originally suspended Kurt for the entire season, the operation would have been shut down the next day. But like I've been saying all along...Gene, NASCAR, etc all know a lot more about this "situation" than the public has ever known. So Regan's been driving because Kurt has been expected back sooner than later. The suspension was not expected, and only came after Patricia's pre-500 media tour tied their hands (NASCAR's words, not mine). That's why they went from saying they were waiting until the DE AG made a move (they said this on that Monday after the PO was granted, and commissioner first said "more likely than not abuse"), to suspending him on that Friday after the full commissioners report came out (along with several TV appearances by Patricia). Remember, he raced in the duels the night before suspension - PO firmly in place.

Can I guarantee Kurt will be back in the car if he's not Chase eligible? Of course not...maybe Chase $ is important to Gene's decision to run the car. Maybe Gene has been taking flak over Kurt. Maybe Gene just up and changed his mind one day. People change their mind/perspective all the time (I mean, the guy kinda woke up one morning and decided to go after F1). But if I had to take a stab at what I'd expect - I'd expect Kurt back in the car in the next week or two regardless of if he's Chase eligible. And if he's not Chase eligible, and Haas decides not to put Kurt back in, there's a really good chance the #41 operation will be shut down unless someone internally talks Gene into something else. (There's a lot of jobs/families that depend on that car. Gene knows that.)
 
This will require and edict from on high probably announced by one of the new front men


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I don't think it would matter what NASCAR or Chevrolet says, it'd be pretty hard for Kurt to get in the top-30 at this point.
 
ToyYoda said:
I don't think it would matter what NASCAR or Chevrolet says, it'd be pretty hard for Kurt to get in the top-30 at this point.
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anything is possible with this bunch, like giving the 41 car the points it has acquired using the "bot" driver.:)
 
ToyYoda said:
I don't think it would matter what NASCAR or Chevrolet says, it'd be pretty hard for Kurt to get in the top-30 at this point.
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Jeff Gordon (in 30th) only has 42 points. If he returns in the next few weeks, it's very possible.
 
Hischild said:
True. I was thinking of this while watching the race. What has happened to SHR? Then I realized, well Kurt has been a sore spot for some time for NASCAR and his car owner(s). Tony, after a great Championship season, was injured, then involved in that horrific incident causing the death of that young driver........and he appears to not have mentally gotten over either occurrence. The one bright spot has been Kevin. First time new team last year.....all new equipment.....much to adjust to and overcome, and still got a Championship. This year, the 4 team seems to be right back to business, but it is a long season. Still, if the 4 team can stay above all the controversy that seems to surround SHR, I think they are a legitimate contender this year, and may well repeat. They are only a three car team right?
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I was going to ask, what about Danica? Until I saw your question at the end.

They were a 3 car team until Kurt came on board.
 
Allenbaba said:
And to clarify, they've suspended Kurt's PSAs (personal service agreements). He'd still be allowed to drive the #41 even if they continued to suspend the PSAs. The #41 CAR contract is with SHR, not the driver. So he'd be allowed to drive the #41, he just wouldn't receive a check from Chevy to promote the brand (at track hospitality, track appearances at Chevy display, dealership appearances etc).
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Thank you for this clarification. I was about to post something similar, because so many have misunderstood what the "suspension" of the PSAs signifies and affects. It doesn't mean that he is somehow barred from driving for a team that fields Chevrolets. If Chevy really had it out for him, I'm sure they could exert some pressure, but I doubt Gene Haas is willing to be pushed around too much.
 
ToyYoda said:
I don't think it would matter what NASCAR or Chevrolet says, it'd be pretty hard for Kurt to get in the top-30 at this point.
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In 2013 Tony Stewart missed the last 15 races of the season and still finished 29th in points. In 2002 Sterling Marlin missed the last 7 and finished 18th. Kurt could easily make the top 30, especially if he wins.
 
WhiningSmoke said:
In 2013 Tony Stewart missed the last 15 races of the season and still finished 29th in points. In 2002 Sterling Marlin missed the last 7 and finished 18th. Kurt could easily make the top 30, especially if he wins.
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I guess my line of thought was that Kurt barely kept it in the top-30 last year having run all 26 races before the chase. I think he was still somewhere in the 20's going into Richmond. He'd have to run a lot stronger than last year to have a shot.
 
ToyYoda said:
I guess my line of thought was that Kurt barely kept it in the top-30 last year having run all 26 races before the chase. I think he was still somewhere in the 20's going into Richmond. He'd have to run a lot stronger than last year to have a shot.
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With Tony Gibson, I don't think he'll have that problem this year.
 
Reck said:
I was going to ask, what about Danica? Until I saw your question at the end.

They were a 3 car team until Kurt came on board.
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Yeah, that "three car team" was tongue in cheek :), and I ran away and hid before any bulls eyes could be painted on my back.
 
be9ak7ts16 said:
All I can say is will someone please make a decision and end this whole damned fiasco.
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I suspect you won't see a decision regarding Chase eligibility until after a decision to re-instate Kurt. The two will probably be combined into one announcement. Since we don't know what Kurt has to do to get off suspension...
 
Ayy said:
With Tony Gibson, I don't think he'll have that problem this year.
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Just my thoughts, but Kurt does have a temper, and IF he makes it back into the 41 car this season, ya gotta know he will be driving with one serious attitude. And that usually leads to mistakes, and mistakes usually leads to torn up cars.
 
Hischild said:
Just my thoughts, but Kurt does have a temper, and IF he makes it back into the 41 car this season, ya gotta know he will be driving with one serious attitude. And that usually leads to mistakes, and mistakes usually leads to torn up cars.
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I disagree. I think he'll be very careful about his temper after this incident with that.....that.....woman. I think he'll come back and if anything is going to be torn up...it'll be the track. I really do think he'll have a good finish to the year, when and if he is able to come back.
 
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