Wuzzit Riggs??

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Wuzzit Riggs that didn't see the 24's hand signal? McMurray saw it and Riggs shot out and ran Mark out into the fence. Did anyone else see it different?
 
Dont know if 42 seen it or not. But 42 did not waze to the 10, so riggs had no choice to move up, so really cant blame anyone for that crash
 
Maybe you could blame the 42. I'd like to hear what he has to say, but we probably won't because it was so early in the race.
 
Jamie said he was signaling on the back stretch.
My real question is where were the spotters? They're supposed to be passing the word when their drivers are going to pit. This wasn't a last minute decision to pit, it was a planned pit stop Jeff & Jamie were pitting together.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I can't see blaming any one person. It was a whole string of mis-communications.
I'm just sorry it took out Mark. :(
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That is a shame. He sure seems to race in more than his share of bad luck.
 
everyone was blaming jeff gordon, gee he did what he was supposed to do
 
buckaroo said:
I wanna know if Jeffy put on his signal at least 1000 feet before the corner! :cool:
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The replay from in his car looked like he did. I still wonder if McMurray did.
 
GoDJ said:
The replay from in his car looked like he did. I still wonder if McMurray did.
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But Mcmurray may not have had time to if they came up on the corner so fast and too soon, even tho he said he did signal.
 
Macmurray said he was going to pit with the 24, Jeff waved in plenty time.

Riggs should of moved up, or the spotters spoters should of said something, but it was not Jeffs falght at all.
 
The camera OBVIOUSLY shows that Gordon gave plenty of warning.

Mcmurray said he signaled, Riggs said he didn't see any signal. Riggs or his crew chief should've been aware that they were coming up on pits stops. I guess maybe it's just reflexes but I'd think that pulling up into the outside groove at Daytona to avoid the back of another car is not a good idea. Which ever way, Riggs is a decent driver and may have just made a mistake.
 
Patrick9999 said:
The camera OBVIOUSLY shows that Gordon gave plenty of warning.
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since I have deleated the race form my TIVo already, where exactly on the track did Jeff give the signal?
 
back stretch. Same as Jamie. You wanna know an easy way of avoiding this in the future? Install some sort of light in the back window that the driver can activate letting other drivers know that either they are coming to pit road or that they have an issue. This would be especially helpful at the restrictor plate races where everyone is bunched up.
 
Saw a different angle on TV last night --either SPEED news or Victory Lane -- when Jeff and Jamie were apparently signaling, they were down on the yellow line in the backstretch, Riggs was back and on the far outside. There was no way he could have seen the waves or Jeff's hand out the window. He didn't move down and behind until it was almost time for the pitters to make their move.
 
Exactly, BobbyFord. No reason there should have been a wreck in that situation. I saw Gordon's signal & believe that Mac did ,too. Just think Riggs didn't see for some reason or another. That'll definitely teach him to pay attention when pit stops are going on next time.
 
Just saw your post,TRL. If that's the case,then the spotters are definitely at fault. That's their job to know what's going on & relay the info , isn't it ??
 
Bucky Badger said:
I think Jeff could have signaled to the to field sooner than he did.
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Just how many laps in advance would "you" like Jeff to start signalling his intention to pit? Signaling down the back stretch is what, a mile before hand and that's not enough?
I think the people falling down on the job here were the spotters and crew chiefs failing to get the word spread, or just not paying attention.
"IF" you want to spread out blame, I guess Mark should get some too for OVER reations. He didn't just swerve enough to make room for Scott, he swerved hard enough to put himself in the wall without anyone elses help.
 
I guess there's no such thing as a racing incident anymore..........someone always has to be at fault. :rolleyes:
 
DE_Wrangler_2 said:
I guess there's no such thing as a racing incident anymore..........someone always has to be at fault. :rolleyes:
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Agreed DE, and I didn't hear anyone really pointing fingers.

Too many are ready and willing to jump on a bandwagon and say"It was so and so's FAULT" in the heat of the moment, and although understandable, maybe the media has a lot to do with promoting controversies. Those in the booth were quick to show clips of Jeff signaling (both in the car and out the window) but obviously the teams didn't see them.
I have to say that the teams, spotters et al need to step up their own communication skills somehow. Maybe there should have an open channel that is like a 911 thingy which will communicate to the field about situations ike this. JMO
 
Eagle1 said:
Just how many laps in advance would "you" like Jeff to start signalling his intention to pit? Signaling down the back stretch is what, a mile before hand and that's not enough?
I think the people falling down on the job here were the spotters and crew chiefs failing to get the word spread, or just not paying attention.
"IF" you want to spread out blame, I guess Mark should get some too for OVER reations. He didn't just swerve enough to make room for Scott, he swerved hard enough to put himself in the wall without anyone elses help.
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WTF ever.....
 
I think that at 190 mph someone darn well should be held accountable. It's not go-kart racing.
 
I dont' think it always has to be someone's fault. Several things can happen that lead to a crash, that are no one's fault.


Not everything is in our control.
 
Riggs pulled high into Martin. Why? Did the throttle stick, did the brakes fail, did the car steer itself. I doubt it. Some things can be explained away by the second most used cliche in Nascar - " it was one of those racing deals" - but I don't see how this one can. I'm not on a witch hunt against any one driver here, I just don't see the problem with debating who made a mistake. If I mess up while driving I have to be an adult and take responsibilty for it. Either someone didn't signal or someone didn't see a signal. Maybe he was talking on his cell phone like those winners you see in the background who get their faces on camera for 10 seconds and instead of saying " Hi mom" are calling their agents :)
 
Riggs did not hit Martin. From looking at the incident I'm not so sure that if Martin had just held his line that this would have been a non incident. The track can go 5 wide. It did go 4 wide in the Stewart pass later in the race. Riggs was slightly behind Martin. Martin over reacted. Normal enough. Not pointing fingers at Mark. But, there is also no need to point at someone else either, IMO.

My frustration comes in BP saying Gordon is waving out the window he must be going to pit just before the accident. Then WD starts as how it was Jeff's fault for not signalling, and BP agrees with him. Do they not even listen to themselves. NBC can and should do better.
 
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