Has Ross Chastain (at age 30) lost a step?

The Nature Boy said:
If you want to junk your car to chase a win or get to your desired outcome, that’s your choice. If you want NASCAR to police tactics then I don’t know what to say. For the wrong driver, it’s a really dumb move but Ross made it work.

If you can’t make it work, you can deal with the consequences.
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Are the other competitors given a choice?
 
The Nature Boy said:
Probably so but I imagine that the online reaction would have been different if Kyle Larson had been the one to pull it off.
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Not from me. I was in awe that a) he had the guts to pull it off and b) it could have gone so wrong, so fast.
The driver behind the wheel makes no difference to me. While I applauded it, it was inherently dangerous.
And I don't think it could have happened at any other track. The stars were aligned and Ross took the chance.
 
The Nature Boy said:
If you want to junk your car to chase a win or get to your desired outcome, that’s your choice. If you want NASCAR to police tactics then I don’t know what to say. For the wrong driver, it’s a really dumb move but Ross made it work.

If you can’t make it work, you can deal with the consequences.
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No it is not your/their choice. It worked once. There is a rule now.
 
StandOnIt said:
No it is not your/their choice. It worked once. There is a rule now.
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But why are you in favor of giving NASCAR yet another rule to arbitrarily enforce?

aunty dive said:
Are the other competitors given a choice?
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Couldn’t you ask this question about any move that someone makes on the race track? If we banned people from doing stupid moves that endangered other drivers, we might as well just ban auto racing altogether. There’s always an element of luck to racing.
 
The Nature Boy said:
But why are you in favor of giving NASCAR yet another rule to arbitrarily enforce?
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Leave me out of it, I said it worked once and now there is a rule against doing it again. It's their racing series and I have never been in a habit of railing about something that Nascar does. They seem to be doing just fine without my help.
 
The Nature Boy said:
Couldn’t you ask this question about any move that someone makes on the race track? If we banned people from doing stupid moves that endangered other drivers, we might as well just ban auto racing altogether. There’s always an element of luck to racing.
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Purposefully dragging the right front suspension, steering and braking systems along the wall for half a lap at full throttle in a higher than mandated gear in traffic is not racing.

Just my opinion, of course.
 
The Nature Boy said:
giving NASCAR yet another rule to arbitrarily enforce?
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The Nature Boy said:
any move that someone makes on the race track? If we banned people from doing stupid moves that endangered other drivers, we might as well just ban auto racing altogether.
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I don't like a number of rules that NASCAR has made, but without rules, drivers/teams would push the envelope until it popped. Sometimes limits have to be set and someone has to enforce them. Yes, there are questionable calls -- as there are in any sport with rules. And the players will push until someone says "No."
 
I called it dangerous when it happened. I was told shut up. Now everyone agrees with me.


Go ahead and delete this post also since I can’t say anything anymore
 
With all this talk about Hendrick engines, ECR engines, Chevy...

Hendrick and ECR engine shops share all data, assemble their engines all to the same specs, and have the same build process at both sites. This is according to Richie Gilmore, who is somebody that would certainly know.

There's no "Hendrick" engine build or "Childress" engine build anymore. They both lease engines to different teams, but that's the business side. The engines are as much "the same" as any pool of engines can be. It's like imagine if Roush-Yates had two facilities both building Cup engines.
 
cheesepuffs said:
With all this talk about Hendrick engines, ECR engines, Chevy...

Hendrick and ECR engine shops share all data, assemble their engines all to the same specs, and have the same build process at both sites. This is according to Richie Gilmore, who is somebody that would certainly know.

There's no "Hendrick" engine build or "Childress" engine build anymore. They both lease engines to different teams, but that's the business side. The engines are as much "the same" as any pool of engines can be. It's like imagine if Roush-Yates had two facilities both building Cup engines.
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That's true, but that isn't the point. We had a fairy tale going that Hendrick because he was mad at Ross was giving Ross crappy engines. The fairy dust was cleared when RCR supplies Trackhouse with ECR engines, not Hendrick.
 
StandOnIt said:
Trackhouse buys their engines from RCR so some it appears are looking to find any way possible to say Hendrick is the problem for Ross's slump.
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Why the **** did The Felon call Ross? ....and why didn't Justin tell him to **** off and say away from his driver? Then The Felon turns around a couple of weeks later and marginalizes Chase's bull****. It's comical. Jim Campbell needs to grow a spine.
 
Revman said:
Why the **** did The Felon call Ross? ....and why didn't Justin tell him to **** off and say away from his driver? Then The Felon turns around a couple of weeks later and marginalizes Chase's bull****. It's comical. Jim Campbell needs to grow a spine.
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Be careful, this is going to be deleted because no one’s allowed to talk to SOI that way
 
Revman said:
Why the **** did The Felon call Ross? ....and why didn't Justin tell him to **** off and say away from his driver? Then The Felon turns around a couple of weeks later and marginalizes Chase's bull****. It's comical. Jim Campbell needs to grow a spine.
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No receipts, just fairy tales and you keep moving the plate. Why don't you start another appreciation thread and quit clogging up this one with nonsense.
 
The Nature Boy said:
And the Online NASCAR fans got NASCAR to ban it because of the Big Bad Ross.
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There was no possible way for NASCAR to keep allowing that. You'd see folks wall-riding in the late stages at Martinsville til they pass out.

I always thought a lot of online fans are in the melon man can't do anything wrong category.
 
Revman said:
Why the **** did The Felon call Ross? ....and why didn't Justin tell him to **** off and say away from his driver? Then The Felon turns around a couple of weeks later and marginalizes Chase's bull****. It's comical. Jim Campbell needs to grow a spine.
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How do you know Rick didn't ask Justin first if he could give Ross a call?

We have such little information about how this actually went down that judging the situation from our 30,000 foot view is all that's comical here.
 
cheesepuffs said:
How do you know Rick didn't ask Justin first if he could give Ross a call?

We have such little information about how this actually went down that judging the situation from our 30,000 foot view is all that's comical here.
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Why would Justin let him?! We judge because these guys run their mouths about it.
 
StandOnIt said:
No receipts, just fairy tales and you keep moving the plate. Why don't you start another appreciation thread and quit clogging up this one with nonsense.
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You suggesting that this didn't happen. Let's simplify....What right does The Felon have in calling somebody else's driver?
 
Revman said:
Why would Justin let him?! We judge because these guys run their mouths about it.
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I'm speculating here because as somebody that's not in their circle that's all I can do - but maybe because Rick is a very well respected statesman of the garage, and it was his car that Ross took out?

Who's running their mouth, I'm not sure who you mean? But who cares anyway. So what's the point of judging at all?
 
cheesepuffs said:
I'm speculating here because as somebody that's not in their circle that's all I can do - but maybe because Rick is a very well respected statesman of the garage, and it was his car that Ross took out?

Who's running their mouth, I'm not sure who you mean? But who cares anyway. So what's the point of judging at all?
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Spare me the rest of that crap.....Why in the hell is somebody who isn't Ross's boss calling him to get in his head? Screw the statesman crap....Ross is not accountable to The Felon. I was a fan of Marks. No more. Weaksauce. Big time. Where has Ross been since he jumped on The Felon's lap for story time? That's on Marks. Ball up, and tell the statesman to go to hell....and while we are at it, why isn't the same narrative allowed when the pit crew stuff from Furniture Row and JGR back in the day keeps getting brought up? .....or the driver changes.....or.....or.....or.....When it's The Felon, there is always more to the story....When it's JGR, there are definitive statements of fact? The narrative.
 
Revman said:
You suggesting that this didn't happen. Let's simplify....What right does The Felon have in calling somebody else's driver?
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It didn't happen. Trackhouse doesn't use Hendrick engines, isn't affiliated with Hendrick. no proof that Hendrick called anybody except talked to Chevy. I'm done unless you can come up with credible sources.
 
StandOnIt said:
It didn't happen. Trackhouse doesn't use Hendrick engines, isn't affiliated with Hendrick. no proof that Hendrick called anybody except talked to Chevy. I'm done unless you can come up with credible sources.
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I am insistent that you are smart....but you are making it difficult. "Receipts".....Do you go to a PD or something?

Ross Chastain says he spoke with Rick Hendrick after Darlington | FOX Sports

Ross Chastain said he called Rick Hendrick and has talked with Hendrick, General Motors and Kyle Larson. He said he still is amazed that Rick Hendrick knows his name even if “right now, it’s for the wrong reasons.”
www.foxsports.com www.foxsports.com
 
Revman said:
I am insistent that you are smart....but you are making it difficult. "Receipts".....Do you go to a PD or something?

Ross Chastain says he spoke with Rick Hendrick after Darlington | FOX Sports

Ross Chastain said he called Rick Hendrick and has talked with Hendrick, General Motors and Kyle Larson. He said he still is amazed that Rick Hendrick knows his name even if “right now, it’s for the wrong reasons.”
www.foxsports.com www.foxsports.com
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Key word HE called Hendrick, not Hendrick called him..now at least the true story comes out.
I guess the new fairy tale will be Ross begged Hendrick to make Childress give him the good motors lol.
 
donthaveanickname said:
There was no possible way for NASCAR to keep allowing that. You'd see folks wall-riding in the late stages at Martinsville til they pass out.

I always thought a lot of online fans are in the melon man can't do anything wrong category.
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Ross was a fan favorite until he started performing well and roughing up guys. Once he was no longer an underdog, he became the Big Bad Ross.

The rule that came out of the Hail Melon is right for NASCAR to use their discretion to **** someone over:

“Safety is a top priority for NASCAR and NEM (NASCAR Event Management). Therefore, any violations deemed to compromise the safety of an Event or otherwise pose a dangerous risk to the safety of Competitors, Officials, spectators, or others are treated with the highest degree of seriousness. Safety violations will be handled on a case-by-case basis.”
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www.sbnation.com

NASCAR bans the ‘Hail Melon’

Do not expect to see Ross Chastain’s Martinsville move anytime soon
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This is the epitome of a grey area rule. It’s racing. Any number of actions “compromise the safety of an Event.” It turns out you can’t ban riding a SAFER barrier without coming up with a wacky rule.

Just like when Online NASCAR Fans wanted Bubba suspended for walling Larson and complained when that precedent was used against Chase, they’ll cry when this rule is used against a fan favorite.
 
Revman said:
Why the **** did The Felon call Ross? ....and why didn't Justin tell him to **** off and say away from his driver?
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Revman said:
Why would Justin let him?! We judge because these guys run their mouths about it.
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Maybe he thought Rick has been around and seen and done enough and is respected enough in the garage and the sport that he could actually give some good real advice regardless of who Ross works for. And they are all team Chevy.
 
hmmm298 said:
Maybe he thought Rick has been around and seen and done enough and is respected enough in the garage and the sport that he could actually give some good real advice regardless of who Ross works for. And they are all team Chevy.
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Then Marks is the most naive owner in the garage. The Felon isn't sharing. Ask Jimmie.
 
The Nature Boy said:
Ross was a fan favorite until he started performing well and roughing up guys. Once he was no longer an underdog, he became the Big Bad Ross.

The rule that came out of the Hail Melon is right for NASCAR to use their discretion to **** someone over:



www.sbnation.com

NASCAR bans the ‘Hail Melon’

Do not expect to see Ross Chastain’s Martinsville move anytime soon
www.sbnation.com www.sbnation.com

This is the epitome of a grey area rule. It’s racing. Any number of actions “compromise the safety of an Event.” It turns out you can’t ban riding a SAFER barrier without coming up with a wacky rule.

Just like when Online NASCAR Fans wanted Bubba suspended for walling Larson and complained when that precedent was used against Chase, they’ll cry when this rule is used against a fan favorite.
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I agree that the anti-wallriding rule isn't worded very well but the only reason it wasn't banned earlier is because no one knew this would work. Had Edwards made it work against JJ at Kansas(?) 15 years ago it would have been banned back then.

How do "online fans" supposedly all have the same opinion? I don't spend a lot of time on Twitter, Facebook or Reddit but from what I've seen there seemed to be a lot of controversial discussion about situations like Bubba vs. Larson, Chase vs. Denny and Ross vs. pretty much everyone.
When it comes to Ross I've seen loads of comments defending him every time. I hate his driving style but overall he definitely seems to be a fan favorite to me.
 
sdj said:
He got his step back, LOL, on the Pole Sunday. :punkrocke :salute: (the felon must have finally let him have some HP) :lol2:
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That no talent no driving Ross Chastain got a hot rod this weekend


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Biggreen695 said:
Has Ross Chastain gained a step? Yes

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Are Elliott fans supposed to have a beef with Ross? As an Elliott fan, I always seem to be behind the curve about what we are supposed to think about most of these topics. Please help me get up to speed.
 
Formerjackman said:
Are Elliott fans supposed to have a beef with Ross? As an Elliott fan, I always seem to be behind the curve about what we are supposed to think about most of these topics. Please help me get up to speed.
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I would think the Larson fans were supposed to have a problem with him
 
Formerjackman said:
Are Elliott fans supposed to have a beef with Ross? As an Elliott fan, I always seem to be behind the curve about what we are supposed to think about most of these topics. Please help me get up to speed.
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He finally gets to gloat. Let him have his day.
 
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