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Had a new camera guy come to the track this weekend..didn't recognize him, so I gave him my card and told him to email me some shots.

It was his first time to the track.

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Tease. Make a post that says eye candy and I hope its half n-e-double K- by God - I - d, but its a racecar.

" Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on. "Nekkid" means you ain't got no clothes on and you're up to somethin'.
 
Nice video. The handicap didn't help those 2 much. I can't make out the board, but it looks like he was running low 8's.
 
Nice video. The handicap didn't help those 2 much. I can't make out the board, but it looks like he was running low 8's.
5.66's.

The black car was holding at least 4 if not 5. We should have held our dial and let him break out, but he spot-dropped at the MPH cone and got the win.
 
Beautiful car
 
5.66's.

The black car was holding at least 4 if not 5. We should have held our dial and let him break out, but he spot-dropped at the MPH cone and got the win.

Wow. I missed the chute on the back, but I was "only" 3 seconds off. ;)
 
Wow. I missed the chute on the back, but I was "only" 3 seconds off. ;)
1/8 mile. 5.66 @ 120-121 mph

Would be in the 8.80-8.90 range 1/4 mile around 145 MPH. Never been there to know. 4.88 gear gear = 73-7400 RPM through the 1/8 mile traps.

Parachute is req'd when you hit 150 MPH in 1/4 mile. Never have deployed it since we got the car.

I plead the fifth to the question of if all that may change next year (possibly going from 505 CI (850 HP) to 540 (~910 HP) or 565 (~940 HP)).

565 will put us in the 5.35 @ 127 and 8.35@155 MPH window.
 
1/8 mile. 5.66 @ 120-121 mph

Would be in the 8.80-8.90 range 1/4 mile around 145 MPH. Never been there to know. 4.88 gear gear = 73-7400 RPM through the 1/8 mile traps.

Parachute is req'd when you hit 150 MPH in 1/4 mile. Never have deployed it since we got the car.

I plead the fifth to the question of if all that may change next year (possibly going from 505 CI (850 HP) to 540 (~910 HP) or 565 (~940 HP)).

565 will put us in the 5.35 @ 127 and 8.35@155 MPH window.

Thanks. I was wondering about those numbers. Good luck with the 540 and the chute.
 
Thanks. I was wondering about those numbers. Good luck with the 540 and the chute.
As with anything, $,$$$ dictates what happens. We have small headers on it that might choke a 565 so that's be the only reason to do 540. 505/540/565 all use same crank and rods, just different pistons. Boring is the same price regardless what gets taken off.

505 = 4.25 stroke 4.350 bore
540 = 4.25 stroke 4.500 bore
565 = 4.25 stroke 4.600 bore.
 
As with anything, $,$$$ dictates what happens. We have small headers on it that might choke a 565 so that's be the only reason to do 540. 505/540/565 all use same crank and rods, just different pistons. Boring is the same price regardless what gets taken off.

505 = 4.25 stroke 4.350 bore
540 = 4.25 stroke 4.500 bore
565 = 4.25 stroke 4.600 bore.

Is the block grey Iron or ductile, and when do you start worrying about durability?

I have a question about nascars 362 ci blocks. How much could they drop the displacement with a different crank and milling the block?
 
Is the block grey Iron or ductile, and when do you start worrying about durability?

I have a question about nascars 362 ci blocks. How much could they drop the displacement with a different crank and milling the block?
It's a dart M. With a 4.600 bore, there's still 1/2" of cast iron around the bore, and the bores are Siamesed such that a brave soul could run with as little as 1/8" of iron between bores (the head gasket is the limiting factor at that point).

I don't know for sure, but if I had to guess, NASCAR motors are probably similar to Dart's baby M, which can go up to 434 cubic inches if you feel daring. The biggest reliable combination would probably be 396.

Merlin made a 454 small block there for awhile, but world castings blocks are known to be weak in the bottom end territory. Lots of stories of crankshafts literally falling out of blocks.

I don't seem to have any pics of the motor on the website, but dug this off my phone/facebook:

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Those are some strange looking pistons.

I was asking if a 362 could be dropped to a 330 without changing the bore by using a crank with less throw and milling the top of the block to drop the heads down.

I read up on the new nascar blocks. They are using compacted graphite iron, which has 70% higher tinsile strength. That makes for much thiner cylinder walls and a shorter, lighter block with much better heat dissipation. If I'm not mistaken, the 1.4 liter generator engine in the volt uses this newly rediscovered alloy, which has been around since WW2. I know they are starting to make their way to the racing scene, but I bet they are expensive as hell.
 
Those are some strange looking pistons.

The valve reliefs go down into the piston, then the 50cc domes come up into the combustion chamber.


I was asking if a 362 could be dropped to a 330

Oh, I see.

Cup V8 is restricted to a 106.3 mm (4.185 inch) maximum bore, a 5.86 liter (358 cubic-inch) maximum swept volume, a 90° crankshaft, steel conrods, a single valley-located camshaft, flat tappet cam followers of no more than 22.2 mm (0.875 inches) diameter, pushrod & rocker-arm valve actuation using steel pushrods and aluminum or steel rockers, (approved) aluminum cylinder heads with two valves per cylinder

358 = 8 * (π * (2.0925²)) * s
358 = 110.045 * s

S = 3.25" stroke

4.185 bore + 3" crank = 330 cubes

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Our setup

8 * (π * (2.175²)) * 4.25 = 505.3 CI

8 * (π * (2.25²)) * 4.25 = 540.75 CI

8 * (π * (2.3²)) * 4.25 = 565.05 CI

8 * (π * (2.3²)) * 4.5 = 598.28 CI (these exist...way, way out there)

505 cubes, .040 head gasket, 115 cc chambers, 50cc domes, .004 deck height, cam set at 108 degrees with custom grind for our setup, mechanical fuel injected (methanol), and dart aluminum heads that have had alot of touching.

at BDC = 63.125ci + 115 cc chambers + .040 x 4.38 gasket = 1034.43 cc's + 115 cc's + 9.86cc's = 1159.29 cc's
at TDC = 65cc chamber + .040 x 4.38 gasket + .004 x 4.35 deck = 65cc's + 9.86 cc's + 0.98 cc = 75.84 cc's

1159.29 / 75.84 = 15.28:1 compression ratio
 
Wow, I've gotten myself way too deep. Thanks.

So, in theory, nascar could drop the displacement to control speeds on super speedways instead of using RP's. Thanks again.

The valve reliefs go down into the piston, then the 50cc domes come up into the combustion chamber.

Those picks make it look like the piston tops aren't completely round at their borders. Optical illusion, I guess.
 
tested tonight with the new goodyears.

Videos are processing now, but lets just say it's slightly unnerving when the tire and rim try to separate.
 
So, in theory, nascar could drop the displacement to control speeds on super speedways instead of using RP's. Thanks again.

yes

Those picks make it look like the piston tops aren't completely round at their borders. Optical illusion, I guess.

Ross # 99552

Yes there is a flat plane at the top of the valve reliefs.

Our piston-valve clearance is 1/10th of an inch.

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That's one wild looking piston. I guess that's how they cram those oversized valves in there. Thanks again for the pics.
 
That's one wild looking piston. I guess that's how they cram those oversized valves in there. Thanks again for the pics.
We had our cylinder head guy mill/weld/CNC the heads to match the pistons. Then use the head gasket to define the piston-valve clearance.

He used to be Hendricks lead cylinder head guy, if that speaks any volumes. (And yes, he still does NASCAR heads for independent truck/nwide/cup teams)
 
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