How are the Dillons perceived in the garage?

I don't like them because they're both whiney punks. I.E. listen to all of austins meltdowns on radioactive.


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DUN24 said:
He's a great driver too... I think Ty is better though.
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They have to be great drivers. Their grand father and father were dominate drivers in NASCAR competition. Genetics play a role (roll for our special friends) in this sort of thing.
 
JohnHill said:
They're punks according to harvick... and as for harvick we learned in 2003 he's got that "yap, yap mouth"...according to Ricky Rudd
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what do you think harvick is going to do for his son, tell him no. he is a ass about this.
 
BOWTIE GUY said:
what do you think harvick is going to do for his son, tell him no. he is a ass about this.
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No doubt harvick would/will want to do the same. It's funny what these guys say when they just get out of the cars
 
Harvick was never in a position to know anything more about the brothers than the average, true NASCAR fan.
 
There are a lot of "silver spoon" kids who get into NASCAR and fail. Remember Stephen Wallace? Justin Labonte? Jason Jarrett? Kerry Earnhardt? Their dads bankrolled their careers but eventually they ran out of talent and found their way out of racing.

You can complain about the Dillons but if they didn't take talent, they'd be gone.
 
Casey Mears, Paul Menard, David Gilliland, David Regan……..

A couple of those are gone after several hundred races.
 
Austin Dillon can wheel a race car. He's won in every division he's competed. He wouldn't be in Cup if he couldn't hack it behind the wheel. Family ties and money certainly help, but the driver still has to get the job done on the track.

Ty Dillon is a good racer too. People have this misplaced resentment of "silver spoon" kids in this sport. When in reality, all that translates to is the fact they had help financially to get by in a sport where you can't compete without bankroll.

Someone show me all these grassroots good ol' boys reaching the top ranks who don't have money or backing from somebody?
 
R Clarence said:
Casey Mears, Paul Menard, David Gilliland, David Regan……..

A couple of those are gone after several hundred races.
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- David Ragan almost made The Chase one year with Roush and has been solid in the equipment that he has been given. He's not great but he brings the car home in one piece.

- Casey Mears is a solid mid-pack guy, his points finishes at Ganassi and Hendrick were consistently top 20 and he even did pretty decently in the Germain Racing car. He's not great but he earned his ride.

- I'll give you Paul Menard to an extent. He has showed promise but a billionaire father is an outlier, not the norm.

- David Gilliland washed out of competitive rides pretty quickly and he got his job because RYR snatching him up after a fluke Kentucky Busch Series win, not because of his father.
 
Menard had a few solid years, but yeah he hasn't done much lately. He did win at Road America too for what it's worth. But I don't think he's bad, even though he's been the weak link at RCR lately. I never see him make boneheaded mistakes or hear other drivers complain about him.
 
Chase Elliott doesn't drive for a relative, I'm sure Bill helped all he could but had no ties with Rick Hendrick. No top tier teams came calling for Austin when he was coming up through the ranks. I have nothing against Austin I just don't think their situations are the same, Austin seems a little like he is entitled where Chase doesn't come across that way.
 
Chase Elliott brings a tremendous marketing opportunity to the table ... most of it accrues to who his father was. Assuming sufficient talent, and he has plenty of it, only a fool would squander that. The Dillon kids are in a different situation but it's similar in many ways.

Grandfathers and fathers with law degrees from Harvard have a way of getting their sons and daughters through the right doors. Why wouldn't they? The same thing works for longshoremen, firefighters, peace officers, doctors, teachers, small business owners, farmers and on and on ad infinitum.

It's the way the world works. The idea that NASCAR should somehow be set apart from all of that is not only unrealistic, it's ridiculous.
 
CalTenn said:
Chase Elliott doesn't drive for a relative, I'm sure Bill helped all he could but had no ties with Rick Hendrick. No top tier teams came calling for Austin when he was coming up through the ranks. I have nothing against Austin I just don't think their situations are the same, Austin seems a little like he is entitled where Chase doesn't come across that way.
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While I understand your point, why would a team waste their time offering a ride to Austin when his grandfather owns a top team?

Their situations are entirely different but dont think for one second that if Bill Elliott owned a team that Chase wouldn't be driving for him.
 
Call me crazy, but there's not a single driver that I have any beef against. Maybe Bowyer because I've met him a few times outside of the spotlight, but all these guys have way more talent than I could ever dream of having, so I gotta respect that. Easy to form opinions on people you dont even know.
 
aunty dive said:
Chase Elliott brings a tremendous marketing opportunity to the table ... most of it accrues to who his father was. Assuming sufficient talent, and he has plenty of it, only a fool would squander that. The Dillon kids are in a different situation but it's similar in many ways.

Grandfathers and fathers with law degrees from Harvard have a way of getting their sons and daughters through the right doors. Why wouldn't they? The same thing works for longshoremen, firefighters, peace officers, doctors, teachers, small business owners, farmers and on and on ad infinitum.

It's the way the world works. The idea that NASCAR should somehow be set apart from all of that is not only unrealistic, it's ridiculous.
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Fabulous post.
 
Simple Fan said:
While I understand your point, why would a team waste their time offering a ride to Austin when his grandfather owns a top team?

Their situations are entirely different but dont think for one second that if Bill Elliott owned a team that Chase wouldn't be driving for him.
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By this thought why has a top team approached Ty since Richard didn't provide him with a ride. I have heard people on here say they think Ty is better than Austin.
 
Austin is average to above average depending on equipment, circumstances, etc. Outran the rest of RCR & and it's satellite teams last year. Outrunning JTG, Ty, Menard this year.
 
DanicaFreak said:
@Allenbaba
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Honestly, I'm not sure I've ever heard any drivers I know bring them up for any reason at all. Ever. As far as I'm concerned they're pretty invisible. I think everyone knows "the deal" (and have always known that "the deal" would be "the deal" at some point). But I also think both boys have had enough success at the lower levels that it doesn't seem egregious. It just is what it is.
 
Allenbaba said:
Honestly, I'm not sure I've ever heard any drivers I know bring them up for any reason at all. Ever. As far as I'm concerned they're pretty invisible. I think everyone knows "the deal" (and have always known that "the deal" would be "the deal" at some point). But I also think both boys have had enough success at the lower levels that it doesn't seem egregious. It just is what it is.
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That is about what I figured as if another driver has time to worry about how other drivers got their jobs and then stew over it if they think it is not fair......well....to put it nicely they have way to much time on their hands.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
That is about what I figured as if another driver has time to worry about how other drivers got their jobs and then stew over it if they think it is not fair......well....to put it nicely they have way to much time on their hands.
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Lol drivers definitely trash other drivers, and how some got jobs. Not in "stew over it and think it's not fair" kind of way...more in a "we all know the only reason that f*cker has a job, so that ticking time bomb better not come anywhere near me on the track" kind of way. I've just never heard anyone say anything about the Dillon boys for any reason, good or bad. You can either interpret that as a good thing (respect) or a bad thing (irrelevant).
 
CalTenn said:
By this thought why has a top team approached Ty since Richard didn't provide him with a ride. I have heard people on here say they think Ty is better than Austin.
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What top teams have offered Ty a ride? He only drove for Stewart as a replacement and is now driving in RCR affiliate team. I think Ty is the better if the 2 as well but he's still a guarantee to be in a RCR car sooner than later.
 
Allenbaba said:
Lol drivers definitely trash other drivers, and how some got jobs. Not in "stew over it and think it's not fair" kind of way...more in a "we all know the only reason that f*cker has a job, so that ticking time bomb better not come anywhere near me on the track" kind of way. I've just never heard anyone say anything about the Dillon boys for any reason, good or bad. You can either interpret that as a good thing (respect) or a bad thing (irrelevant).
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What you say makes sense and I can't remember any cup races where the Dillon's were on track menaces or super aggressive to the point of having another driver go off on them so other drivers are likely neutral on them.
 
People may sat Ty is the better of the 2 of them, but in trucks and Xfinity I've always thought Austin was better.
 
Simple Fan said:
What top teams have offered Ty a ride? He only drove for Stewart as a replacement and is now driving in RCR affiliate team. I think Ty is the better if the 2 as well but he's still a guarantee to be in a RCR car sooner than later.
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If Menard and his father move to Penske RCR may end up being a 2 car team with Ty taking over the ride now occupied by Ryan Newman
 
Johali said:
And by the way the large majority of fans that I saw at the Coke 600 cheered very loud when Austin won.
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Kathy Griffin driving the 3 and getting her first win would elicit the same response.
 
R Clarence said:
They have to be great drivers. Their grand father and father were dominate drivers in NASCAR competition. Genetics play a role (roll for our special friends) in this sort of thing.
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Can you put Richard Petty in the silver spoon crowd?? I think not...
 
Hamlin's remarks have been mentioned several times in this thread, I guess they've mended fences.


 
Simple Fan said:
What top teams have offered Ty a ride? He only drove for Stewart as a replacement and is now driving in RCR affiliate team. I think Ty is the better if the 2 as well but he's still a guarantee to be in a RCR car sooner than later.
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Sorry that was supposed to say not offered him a ride.
 
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