Lol. Time for more B.S. and alibiing it looks like.lol. You know its true bro, you cant show me where F1 beat NASCAR in America in the TV ratings. NASCAR was on a Cable broadcast ( FS1) and F1 was on ABC and we still beat those boring race driving snobs hahahahahahaha
NASCAR and F1 went head-to-head and the TV ratings are in
Going head-to-head with the Formula 1 Miami Grand Prix, NASCAR drew the higher television audience on Fox Sports 1 withsports.yahoo.com
Maybe some of us want to watch the race but still think the system ****** sucks. You know that's possible yeah? We don't gotta like everything nascar does to watch lmao
lol FS1 vs ABC You still lose
You mentioned amazing stories. Those full season point battles were awesome when you got them. I really miss those, it was the main storyline of the whole year. Every race especially late in the season, everything felt so big.
Maybe, but a lot of people act like you can't dare say **** about Nascar or you shouldn't watch. I don't think winning a championship is nowhere near as impressive as it once was. Even 2004-2013 is a better format.
I ask what prestige? The last two years have been filled with controversy. Both "winners" were products of the dog any pony show. Neither would have come close to winning the championship using a traditional points system and as quiet as it has been kept, many people know this and aren't blindly being herded like happy sheep.
Thank you for your input baaaa.
Not being as impressive and winning by the rules can both be true.
well I would like to say, just because there is criteria that is met and rules that are enforced doesnt make them good. We can all probably think of something in real life that is like that, but to get to your point they're champions yes. But the Winston Cup was way harder to win than getting hot for 6 weeks and winning a one race championship. Respectfully imo.
My whole point of this thread is that the championship IS being minimalized. I can not watch what they are doing with this clown show and think anything else. I watch for the racing, but it is B.S. like Arca Brakes says to have to sit there and watch half the race dedicated to cars making the cut line, tabulating playoff points, and various other horsesh*t nonsense.
Is a lot of us the 45K at Phoenix? I don't think so. Who the hell is "a lot of us?" I get that you don't like it, and there are others who share that view, but just like the Next Gen....Who the hell is that? NASCAR makes decisions on this group of "a lot of us," and I wonder who that is?
I love Logano's attitude after last year. It's the system. There will always be a system. Everybody knows what the system is....Penske does it better than everybody. They all know they need to be the best at Phoenix. Get better. If this thing changes, you can be rest assured that "a lot of us" will have an issue with it....again....and again...and again.
Smoke doesn't win ****...and then goes on a 5/10 tear in 2011. Championship ****.
That's arguable. I could call B.S. on that also. I mean wake up. Neither of those drivers had a championship record of performance. Look at their wins, top 5's and 10's
100%. The Championship event is big time sports stuff, and I love it....but there will be bitching. Always. I will miss it next year, but I am good if Phoenix moves to a third round event.
I didn't.
Of course it is arguable. That is why we are here. You hate the stick and ball references, and I get that.....however, I will make the case that the Kansas City Chiefs had a Championship year until they got beat in the Championship. This is about what constitutes a racing champion. There are those (probably "a lot of us") who believe that it is a body of work over time. There are those (maybe "some of us") who believe that the best bring it when it matters the most. Who is wrong? Nobody. Who is right? Both. My vote....Pick a system, and then everybody STFU, and let's get back to talking about cars, strategy, and drivers.
Are you "some of us" or "a lot of us?" I am trying to keep all of this straight....I didn't.
I've never liked having any single race matter more than the others. 'When it matters the most' should be every single week.
"Two of us", unless a new tapeworm I'm unaware of has moved in.
And right after that Brian France took a big snort of cocaine, and said we can't have that, lets go completely bonkers and make winning everything and wait! lets get the TV people involved...lets make it a spectacle.
It's game show B.S. it isn't racing.
Yeah but then he bitched when the system took a win from him at the All Star race. So he's only a fan when it helps. When it doesn't its a gimmick. So I can't take him seriously.
Joey Logano was 15th in points after 26 races last year before the reset.I'd say anybody outside of the top 10 in points is just a Championship field filler
Cup champion.
Who defines racing? "Some of us?" "Most of us?" See this is the problem with attracting new fans. "Don't come with your perspective....we will tell you how it is based on the the way it always was....."
Sometimes I wonder if Jim has the leftovers, honestly.
That is really a great perspective. I mean that, and I don't disagree, but how do you sell that? How does NASCAR get its Super Bowl moment? It deserves it IMO.
As long as Jim doesn't start slopping some of NASCAR's 'features' over into IMSA, I'll take him over BZF any day.
When does it cross the line into a made for TV game show? Sure looks to be the direction I see when a champion doesn't have the record to be one.