Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

It's B.S. the win and you are in. Not only can they de tune cars and slow down drivers, the driver can coast because the pressure is off, or drive like they don't give a sh*t or both lol. IMO it just adds crap to the racing that doesn't need to be there. Every car and driver if possible needs to be as fast as they can be on every race.
 
StandOnIt said:
Is this word salad? or can somebody decipher this?
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He was very intentional with his wording here. NBC’s portion of the schedule went down from 20 points-paying Cup events to 14, losing some of their higher-rated events in Chicago and the Brickyard. The new deal only further concentrates their focus on the playoff, whatever form it may take.
 
aunty dive said:
Or crown the guy who wins the most races over the course of the 36 race season.

Tie broken by top 5’s, 10’s.
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I think just giving the winner more points can help this happen most of the time. But I still think the champion should not only just be because you win the most, but because you were able to take a bad day and get the most out of it as well. So give the winner more points than they do, make sure no one can get more points. But also reward being consistent.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
Eliminations give something for TV to promote, and flashing the live points in the final laps of an elimination race is a powerful draw to retain viewers."
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Few things manage to be both more annoying and less relevant than 'Playoff standings as they run now'. Nothing matters until the race is over.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Few things manage to be both more annoying and less relevant than 'Playoff standings as they run now'. Nothing matters until the race is over.
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It does nothing but continually show their ignorance about racing. It turns off hard core fans. It's why I turn the sound down or listen to the radio. It's like having a room full of screaming kids in the room. Quite a distraction.
 
StandOnIt said:
It's B.S. the win and you are in. Not only can they de tune cars and slow down drivers, the driver can coast because the pressure is off, or drive like they don't give a sh*t or both lol
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=IF= NASCAR insists on keeping 'Win and You're In', at least go back to a minimum points standing. Returning to minimum of being in the top 20 or 25 in points would eliminate a lot of bottom feeders lucking in. If you can't be in the top 25 after 26 races, you haven't performed at a championship level, regardless of how well you do once you've been segregated from the rest of the field (or many road course wins you have ;) ).
 
Charlie Spencer said:
=IF= NASCAR insists on keeping 'Win and You're In', at least go back to a minimum points standing. Returning to minimum of being in the top 20 or 25 in points would eliminate a lot of bottom feeders lucking in. If you can't be in the top 25 after 26 races, you haven't performed at a championship level, regardless of how well you do once you've been segregated from the rest of the field (or many road course wins you have ;) ).
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So yet another gimmick on top of a gimmick lol. Eh, nah, not for me.
 
I thought it was interesting in that Shannon Spake looked like she was all for the playoff system, said she liked it. Mark makes some good points, they are hard to argue with.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
I mean its not hard committee. (Per the Athletic Article)
• Figuring out a way to make every race matter again. Once a driver has already locked into the playoffs, teams and manufacturers revealed they shift their best equipment (cars and engines) to other drivers who have not won a race yet. That means an early-season victory can actually result in a driver being penalized until all of his teammates win, since the goal for organizations is to qualify as many drivers into the playoff field as possible. In turn, that erodes weekly competition by making some of the midseason races feel like filler events and hurts NASCAR’s ability to sell fans on the importance of every race.
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Jorge De Guzman said:
Per The Athletic:
"Though it’s unclear what NBC wants, going away from playoffs and eliminations is likely not on the list. Eliminations give something for TV to promote, and flashing the live points in the final laps of an elimination race is a powerful draw to retain viewers."
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Allow me to pause for a moment: first of all, what's bolded in the first quote box is precisely what has led me to stop watching. It has been obvious to me for years, it has been stated by teams and drivers for years to be true, and yet consistently I find myself in arguments about whether or not teams/drivers are putting in full effort year round at all 36 races or if the finale is in any way manipulated (as though the finishing results alone didn't tell you the answer). That is the legitimacy problem of NASCAR.

The second block is also part of that legitimacy problem and says a lot about NASCAR's leadership. NBC may very well want to have playoffs as a promotional tool for the portion of the schedule they control. This means that NASCAR has TV deals which fundamentally disincentivize drivers to compete with full gusto and which reduces the value of the rest of the schedule for NBC's benefit. Why do you think there is a midseason tournament now? It's the same reason you have stages and stage points. It is to provide some kind of correction to fix the problems created by the playoffs!

I understand some folks might like the playoffs and find the request to go back to an all season title hunt to be wrongheaded. I also understand that perspective would almost certainly lead to rejecting the relationship between it and the changes of stages and tournaments and so on, but then again, there also wouldn't be any need for those things to exist without the playoffs and thus there is no way for those people to explain why they even exist.
 
virtualbalboa said:
Allow me to pause for a moment: first of all, what's bolded in the first quote box is precisely what has led me to stop watching. It has been obvious to me for years, it has been stated by teams and drivers for years to be true, and yet consistently I find myself in arguments about whether or not teams/drivers are putting in full effort year round at all 36 races or if the finale is in any way manipulated (as though the finishing results alone didn't tell you the answer). That is the legitimacy problem of NASCAR.

The second block is also part of that legitimacy problem and says a lot about NASCAR's leadership. NBC may very well want to have playoffs as a promotional tool for the portion of the schedule they control. This means that NASCAR has TV deals which fundamentally disincentivize drivers to compete with full gusto and which reduces the value of the rest of the schedule for NBC's benefit. Why do you think there is a midseason tournament now? It's the same reason you have stages and stage points. It is to provide some kind of correction to fix the problems created by the playoffs!

I understand some folks might like the playoffs and find the request to go back to an all season title hunt to be wrongheaded. I also understand that perspective would almost certainly lead to rejecting the relationship between it and the changes of stages and tournaments and so on, but then again, there also wouldn't be any need for those things to exist without the playoffs and thus there is no way for those people to explain why they even exist.
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The basketball bracket thing was the last straw for me. Every year the Cup series is less about racing and more about commercialization by promotion.
 
StandOnIt said:
I thought it was interesting in that Shannon Spake looked like she was all for the playoff system, said she liked it. Mark makes some good points, they are hard to argue with.
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Regardless of the points be or anyone makes we know that’s not coming back and it’s honestly just getting old with Mark now. Almost as old as he is.
 
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The thing is, it takes a couple years to adjust to cup. Even on the road courses SVG is still learning and will get a lot better. That’s why he hasn’t lost one since he has a little experience now compared to for example the Glen last year.
 
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