Pack Racing

StandOnIt said:
So by your thinking you think a driver who won A race, a plate race deserves to boot out full season drivers because of a plate win?
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No, by my thinking, keeping the field bunched and enabling the slow teams to keep up is just as deplorable in pack racing as it is in determining a champion.
 
DanicaFreak said:
How do we run over 200 miles an hour and keep the cars out of the stands is that possible? I’m wondering if somehow you could remove the plates and keep the cars out of the stands.
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The risks go up exponentially. Stick your hand out the window at 25 MPH. Then stick it out at 50. That is twice the speed, but the force on your hand takes more than twice the effort to remain in place. It works the same with lift. 200 MPH takes all kinds of aero magic not to fly. Most planes are well into the air at those speeds. Many planes can't fly 200 MPH. 200 is plenty fast enough and cars can still go into the stands if that is what you are hoping for.
 
Naitch said:
How about some of you just accept that you won’t like every type of racing that NASCAR does instead of proposing the butchering of one of the sport’s most iconic tracks?
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The racing we see today isn't what made this track iconic.

But I don't support 'iconic' as a reason to continue doing something anyway.
 
Naitch said:
How about some of you just accept that you won’t like every type of racing that NASCAR does instead of proposing the butchering of one of the sport’s most iconic tracks?
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So we don't have to listen to the same B.S. statements every year would be a plus while staring at full stands and ratings. :cuckoo:
 
Naitch said:
How about some of you just accept that you won’t like every type of racing that NASCAR does instead of proposing the butchering of one of the sport’s most iconic tracks?
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It is nothing to worry about the monopoly essentially owns Daytona and Talladega. They would run inverted engines and force the teams follow through on all their latest whims before changing anything on one of their sacred calves.

Even to the point of turning everything into pack racing if needed. They will Echo Park all of the 1.5 mile tracks in due time per restricted HP.
 
Greg said:
It is nothing to worry about the monopoly essentially owns Daytona and Talladega. They would run inverted engines and force the teams follow through on all their latest whims before changing anything on one of their sacred calves.

Even to the point of turning everything into pack racing if needed. They will Echo Park all of the 1.5 mile tracks in due time per restricted HP.
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Martinsville pack race, it will be the thing..right after Bristol.
 
StandOnIt said:
Martinsville pack race, it will be the thing..right after Bristol.
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I know it a torched argument and I try just let it be most of time. But my greateat racing love is a deal with too much HP to the point of overkill, balanced with tires that wear and have to be managed. It is a beautiful thing to watch, with an infinite number of great strategies and storylines.

But I know that chemistry is impossibile to achieve on the superspeedways. I just wish there was a way to work in a little more tire wear and mechinical grip into those events. But I also know that is almost impossibile. It is what it is along with the threads that will not change.
 
How many years in a row will fans take the time and spend their money to see a mediocre product? Nothing lasts forever, but NASCAR doesn't seem to realize that.
 
Greg said:
I know it a torched argument and I try just let it be most of time. But my greateat racing love is a deal with too much HP to the point of overkill, balanced with tires that wear and have to be managed. It is a beautiful thing to watch, with an infinite number of great strategies and storylines.

But I know that chemistry is impossibile to achieve on the superspeedways. I just wish there was a way to work in a little more tire wear and mechinical grip into those events. But I also know that is almost impossibile. It is what it is along with the threads that will not change.
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I don't know how many times a fan can watch a car just get tapped at 200 MPH and go for a 1/4 mile out of control slide sometimes with many cars involved and think Oh, you know what they need? They need more tire wear to increase the odds of those blowing out and we need more horsepower so we can go even faster while sitting in my recliner. That seems like a great idea.
 
StandOnIt said:
I don't know how many times a fan can watch a car just get tapped at 200 MPH and go for a 1/4 mile out of control slide sometimes with many cars involved and think Oh, you know what they need? They need more tire wear to increase the odds of those blowing out and we need more horsepower so we can go even faster while sitting in my recliner. That seems like a great idea.
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I think tire wear could have the opposite effect as well by creating more space, it would add in the component of having to race the track as well as the pack.
 
Greg said:
I think tire wear could have the opposite effect as well by creating more space, it would add in the component of having to race the track as well as the pack.
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The packs at Daytona used to get broken up a bit on the old asphalt, which caused tire wear.
 
MRM said:
Denny Hamlin spoke on this over the weekend. He's suggesting The Clash be moved back to Daytona and use it as an R&D session. His idea was to increase horsepower and take off some of the spoiler, similar to the Atlanta package. He said the drivers need to lift to drive them.
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Serious question: If Denny's goal is to eliminate fuel conservation, would using smaller fuel cans be feasible? Say, 7 gallons? Would that eliminate the chance of going through a stage on only one stop? Two stops per stage would help break up the field some.

Or reduce the first two stages to the point everyone can make it through them on one full tank, say 45 laps each. Having the final stage go 110 laps.
 
Naitch said:
I don’t know man. There are at least a couple here who just post negative things about NASCAR. I wonder why they bother to watch.
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I don't normally watch the Clash or All-Star races because I don't like the formats. I only turned on the first half of this year's Clash to see how NASCAR managed the conditions, and tuned out at the half.

If the pack races didn't award points, I wouldn't watch them or comment on them either.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Serious question: If Denny's goal is to eliminate fuel conservation, would using smaller fuel cans be feasible? Say, 7 gallons? Would that eliminate the chance of going through a stage on only one stop? Two stops per stage would help break up the field some.

Or reduce the first two stages to the point everyone can make it through them on one full tank, say 45 laps each. Having the final stage go 110 laps.
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They did that years ago with smaller fuel cells forcing them to pit more. :idunno:
 
Naitch said:
I don’t know man. There are at least a couple here who just post negative things about NASCAR. I wonder why they bother to watch.
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Do you know how long some of these deathbedders have been on here wishing for the end of Nascar racing? One or two have been here as long as I have or longer. They are absolutely miserable that Nascar continues to have races. lol. Takes all kinds I guess.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
That applies to all tracks.
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Where is out of bounds at Phoenix?

But to the larger point, yes, if you drive off and leave slower cars behind, you run out of fuel faster. In this instance, we can't even get that enjoyment of different strategies! Everyone was forced to use one strategy since no one could legally pass.
 
The Yotas this race were playing it conservative saving fuel. After the Yotas pitted, the Fords and Chevys went full throttle for ten or 15 laps before they needed to pit. People need to get over it about their fuel strategy it didn't make any difference. They all blended in and made a run to the finish.
 
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