Non-chase drivers incentive

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Dear Nascar fans,

I'm new to watching nascar races and would like to know what incentives there are for the remaining field of drivers that are not included in the chase, to keep racing during the chase(if that makes sense)?

Seems to me like they won't have anything to gain by staying in and racing?

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Fair enough thank you. Also there's probably good motivation to go out for win, as that will carry slightly more prestige coming from a non-chase guy.
 
Why did the other basketball teams play when the Chiago Bulls were winning , why do other golfers play when Tiger Woods is winning , why do other baseball teams play when the Yankees are winning ? When you are a competitor in any sport , your life is competetion . Giving up ,is not an option . There are many races within the race . Teams trying to break into the top twenty , teams trying to break into the top 35 even . Every team out there is trying to show an improvement over last year and last race. Like DPK said , every crew member is racing for his job. Sorry , my rant for the day , promise.:D
 
All good:) I'm also just trying to get a feel for whether the chase rule has a lot of opponents. For instance if teams were massively against the rule they could choose to boycott the chase period, but I guess everyone seems mostly happy with it. However it is something unique and peculiar about NASCAR (in motorsports)...
 
I can't see where any team could be against it. It can turn a team that had no chance in heck into a Cup champion. Tony Stewart being the most recent example.

Here's a great view of what the viewing public thinks about the Chase. Will this trend continue? Probably.

Average U.S. Ratings For the Chase For the Cup
Dating back to inaugural edition in 2004

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This thread is starting to smell more and more like stinky bait for a fishing expedition. Or, maybe that just the cynic in me?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I can't see where any team could be against it. It can turn a team that had no chance in heck into a Cup champion. Tony Stewart being the most recent example.

Here's a great view of what the viewing public thinks about the Chase. Will this trend continue? Probably.

Average U.S. Ratings For the Chase For the Cup
Dating back to inaugural edition in 2004

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This thread is starting to smell more and more like stinky bait for a fishing expedition. Or, maybe that just the cynic in me?
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YEP, TROLLING, In My Opinion.
 
To answer the OP: To win the race plain and simple. To most of the non-chase drivers winning a single race could be as big to them as winning the championship for that year. Look at Truex Jr 2 weeks ago. That dude look like he just won the championship, just breaking that long winless streak of his.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Well if we go by all your standards then every thread would be trolling. ;)
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If you think about it in a realistic way then they are all trolling posts, simply because every post, In My Opinion, is trying to elicit a response of some kind out of somebody and isn't that what trolling really is?
 
Johali said:
If you think about it in a realistic way then they are all trolling posts, simply because every post, In My Opinion, is trying to elicit a response of some kind out of somebody and isn't that what trolling really is?
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yep.

to me true trolling post is when the op posts something without any feelings towards the subject only to get a negative response from people.

it would be like if i posted a thread stating Earnhart Sr wasnt really that good, he was just a product of a great race team. in all honesty i could careless about earnhart, i just want to watch the forum burn. to me that is trolling.

now if i posted the same thing about Johnson that wouldnt be trolling because i really do think he is a product of an excellent race team.

so when i see slicebread posts i know he isnt trolling, because he wants us to accept Joey and his accomplishments as great.
 
We all make the choice to respond to any given thread/post or to stick out noses in on some else's fight. I we get hooked, we have only ourselves to blame.
 
Getting back to the topic , I don't know wether those figures represent a decline in folks watching the chase , folks watching Nascar , folks watching motorsports in general,sports in general or what ?. I do know that I was never in favor of the chase format , but I understood what Nascar wanted to do , in order to make the season end more exciting with a "playoff format" . And I agreed , that the seasons usually just kinda fizzeled out , the championship being pretty much assured with several races or so remaining in the season. If it weren't for the World Series , baseball could usually crown it's champion months before the final game. Welcome to the forum by the way, mwf117 , we can always use new topics and new ideas.:D
 
It's very simple, racers race for a win, glory, trophy, trophy wives, money, wealth, fame, and they used to get to kiss pretty girls in victory lane, chase or no chase they will, In My Opinion, drive the best they can.
 
ted@economy said:
Getting back to the topic , I don't know wether those figures represent a decline in folks watching the chase , folks watching Nascar , folks watching motorsports in general,sports in general or what ?
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Those ratings are solely for the Chase races.
 
I'm guessing it might also be showing the new viewers that were gained when Fox brought NASCAR to broadcast TV are moving back to football.
 
mwf117 said:
All good:) I'm also just trying to get a feel for whether the chase rule has a lot of opponents. For instance if teams were massively against the rule they could choose to boycott the chase period, but I guess everyone seems mostly happy with it. However it is something unique and peculiar about NASCAR (in motorsports)...
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There are plenty of actions and rules that are unique to NASCAR. Peculiar? all racing series are peculiar. some have mandatory driver changes, team orders, certain tire rules, single or double file restarts, Lucky dogs, race control and rules about aggressive driving. I take it you don't watch many races, there are rules and procedures differences in all forms of motor sports. The last race for the chase in 2011 set records for TV ratings.The ratings above exclude rained out races for some reason instead of adding them to the viewership, so some seasons with rained out races are misrepresented. I don't have a stat for non chase race winners winning a race in the chase format, but Kyle Bush has won a few.

With a peak audience of 10.5 million when the checkered flag fell on champion Tony Stewart at 8:08 p.m. ET, ESPN’s telecast of the Ford 400 from Homestead-Miami Speedway on Sunday, Nov. 20, averaged 6,799,000 viewers and earned a 4.6 household coverage rating (4.0 U.S. rating), according to the Nielsen Company. The viewership average broke ESPN’s previous record of 6,668,000 viewers for the 2008 Brickyard 400 at Indianapolis. Final figures do not include a rain delay from 4:45-6 p.m.
 
The Chase gives drivers the ability to win championships even if they weren't performing at top-level all year. 2 years ago Tony Stewart wasn't having that great of a regular season, but he still won half of the Chase races and became the champion.

The Chase can create the scenario similar to a wild-card team making it into the NFL playoffs and then beating an undefeated team in the Superbowl.

There are many teams who had 0 chance of winning the championship under the old system and now slightly less under the Chase system, but everybody still comes to race. I'd gladly trade in my current job to go run 40th in a NASCAR race every weekend :D
 
ted@economy said:
I understand that , but I don't know how it would compare to a non chase final ten races .
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I can tell you that the 2003 finale at Homestead earned better ratings than six out of eight Chase finales (minus 2004 and 2005), and that was with Kenseth clinching the title at Rockingham beforehand. I haven't gotten much deeper into the numbers.
 
ted@economy said:
I understand that , but I don't know how it would compare to a non chase final ten races .
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I don't see why it would be any different...if anything, the Chase increases the amount of drivers who have a shot at winning the championship.
 
DSquad48 said:
I don't see why it would be any different...if anything, the Chase increases the amount of drivers who have a shot at winning the championship.
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It definitely does and as long as it's not my driver with the big points lead going to into the chase, I'm happy ;)
 
It looks like there seems to be some confusion as to what the chart states so here's a link to the original article. It's basically the television ratings for the Chase comparing one year to the next since its inception. Not really all that hard to understand. When the graph goes down..... That's bad. Up, good. :D
 
DSquad48 said:
I don't see why it would be any different...if anything, the Chase increases the amount of drivers who have a shot at winning the championship.
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Without the Chase last year there actually would have been four drivers going into Homestead with a shot at the title. That doesn't take into consideration differences in strategy that would have been applied throughout the season knowing there was no reset, but it makes a strong point regardless.
 
mwf117 said:
Fair enough thank you. Also there's probably good motivation to go out for win, as that will carry slightly more prestige coming from a non-chase guy.
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Yeah the prize money pays the driver the same, chase, non chase, before the chase, before sprint cup, before winston cup, graph or no graph, troll or no trolls
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It looks like there seems to be some confusion as to what the chart states so here's a link to the original article. It's basically the television ratings for the Chase comparing one year to the next since its inception. Not really all that hard to understand. When the graph goes down..... That's bad. Up, good. :D
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Turn the graph over to get a glass half full effect. :D
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Sponsor exposure. Job security. A great paycheck. It's no different then it's ever been Chase or no Chase. There have always been a full field of cars racing through to the final race even though there was no chance in them winning the Championship.
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Exactly. In the pre-chase era, once you got to the middle or latter part of the season most of the drivers were already eliminated from the possibility of winning the championship.

As for ratings, one of the biggest challenges the Chase faces is that it's competing directly against the NFL (and college football in the case of Charlotte).
 
FLRacingFan said:
Without the Chase last year there actually would have been four drivers going into Homestead with a shot at the title. That doesn't take into consideration differences in strategy that would have been applied throughout the season knowing there was no reset, but it makes a strong point regardless.
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Good point. But yeah I don't like people comparing the Chase format to the old system because of differences in strategy and whatnot. Teams that are up in the points pre-chase may be willing to do more risky things than if the old system was still being used and every point counted up until the end of the year.
 
Back when the Chase first started and there were only 10 drivers in it, Nextel would pony up $1M as a "best of the rest" bonus for the driver who finished 11th in points. I don't think that lasted too long though.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I can't see where any team could be against it. It can turn a team that had no chance in heck into a Cup champion. Tony Stewart being the most recent example.

Here's a great view of what the viewing public thinks about the Chase. Will this trend continue? Probably.

Average U.S. Ratings For the Chase For the Cup
Dating back to inaugural edition in 2004

chasecupchart.gif


This thread is starting to smell more and more like stinky bait for a fishing expedition. Or, maybe that just the cynic in me?
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It would help put this in context if you had a graph showing average ratings for the pre-Chase 'regular season'. I suspect the graph would look similar. If so, it would indicate an overall decline in watching Cup racing in general and not reflective of opinions on just the Chase.

To put some context on the original question, remember that the Chase is the only 'post-season playoff' where all teams continue to compete regardless of their championship eligibility. If you're coming from a 'ball and stick' background, I can see how you might be confused. But winning the race pays the same whether you're first in the points or 41st, and there's no elimination so you'll be racing again next week regardless of where you finish.
 
DSquad48 said:
Good point. But yeah I don't like people comparing the Chase format to the old system because of differences in strategy and whatnot. Teams that are up in the points pre-chase may be willing to do more risky things than if the old system was still being used and every point counted up until the end of the year.
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That's exactly what the #20 team says they did last week at Kentucky. They took a chance on old tires and track position because they already had 3 wins and the corresponding bonus points for the Chase. In '03, Matt and Robbie were more than satisfied to settle for cranking out top 5s because that's what it took to win under the old model. Teams lower in the points may aim for just winning a race, but the competitive ones will apply whatever strategy is needed to get the championship.
 
ToyYoda said:
Back when the Chase first started and there were only 10 drivers in it, Nextel would pony up $1M as a "best of the rest" bonus for the driver who finished 11th in points. I don't think that lasted too long though.
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Yeah, what the hell happened to that?
 
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