If NASCAR used F1 points...

[Mispeedway15]

Figured with all the debate that goes around the playoff system I'd tabulate how many points guys would have if we used the F1 points system that only awards points to the Top 10. In case anyone was wondering, F1 goes 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1. Through the Coca Cola 600 it goes...

Place	Driver	Points
1	Larson	151
2	Hamlin	134
3	Elliott	121
4	Truex	118
5	Logano	111
6	Byron	107
7	Harvick	88
8	Ky. Busch	87
9	Bowman	82
10	Keselowski	80
11	McDowell	58
12	Bell	51
13	Reddick	48
14	Blaney	46
15	Dillon	37
16	DiBenedetto	24
17	Stenhouse	18
18	Chastain	18
19	Newman	17
20	Ku. Busch	16
21	Allmendinger	16
22	Buescher	16
23	Suarez	14
24	Preece	10
25	Almirola	8
26	Grala	8
27	Briscoe	8
28	McMurray	4
29	E. Jones	3
30	Lajoie	2
31	Custer	2

 

[Speedbowl14]

I don't like the F1 points system used for the bigger fields in NASCAR because it rewards fluke finishes over consistency for mid-pack drivers. Example- McDowell being P11 with F1 points but P16 using current NASCAR points. And Blaney has been consistently in the top 15 all year in NASCAR putting him in P7 in the standings but since finishing 15th gets you nothing in F1 he's 14th using their method.


It works well in F1 with the smaller fields and the same drivers finishing in pretty much the same spots every race.

 

[Mispeedway15]

I don't like the F1 points system used for the bigger fields in NASCAR because it rewards fluke finishes over consistency for mid-pack drivers. Example- McDowell being P11 with F1 points but P16 using current NASCAR points. And Blaney has been consistently in the top 15 all year in NASCAR putting him in P7 in the standings but since finishing 15th gets you nothing in F1 he's 14th using their method.


It works well in F1 with the smaller fields and the same drivers finishing in pretty much the same spots every race.

McDowell has finished very high in the races he scored points in though. In my opinion looking at this, I love how it rewards guys for winning and scoring Top 3 finishes. The fact that Larson is ahead of Denny is telling.

 

[ChexOrWrex]

I don't like the F1 points system used for the bigger fields in NASCAR because it rewards fluke finishes over consistency for mid-pack drivers.

What are you kidding? NASCAR’s current system rewards fluke finishes over consistency already.

 

[RayinTX]

It doesn't make sense to try to apply a point system used in a series with 20 cars to a series that has 36-40 cars. It would need to be expanded to cover the top 18-20.

 

[Speedbowl14]

What are you kidding? NASCAR’s current system rewards fluke finishes over consistency already.

And there's flukes exposed in the F1 points as well. A driver that finishes 11th every race is going to lose to a driver who finishes 10th one week and 30th all the other weeks.

Using F1 points in NASCAR the guys at the top will still be at the top and the guys at the bottom will still be at the bottom but it's the mid-packers where things get screwy.

 

[Mispeedway15]

It doesn't make sense to try to apply a point system used in a series with 20 cars to a series that has 36-40 cars. It would need to be expanded to cover the top 18-20.

Why? Do better on track

 

[Mispeedway15]

And there's flukes exposed in the F1 points as well. A driver that finishes 11th every race is going to lose to a driver who finishes 10th one week and 30th all the other weeks.

Using F1 points in NASCAR the guys at the top will still be at the top and the guys at the bottom will still be at the bottom but it's the mid-packers where things get screwy.

Do better on track

 

[Mispeedway15]

I do want to add we currently have a system that basically is win or else. This Top 10 or else I think is a much better compromise to a large field

 

[Speedbowl14]

Do better on track

Yes and no. If you're only rewarding the top 10 then you have teams just outside that like RCR and Ganassi that reap the same rewards as the Rick Ware Crapboxes. Personally, I don't think that's right for the teams.

 

[Mispeedway15]

Yes and no. If you're only rewarding the top 10 then you have teams just outside that like RCR and Ganassi that reap the same rewards as the Rick Ware Crapboxes. Personally, I don't think that's right for the teams.

Reddick is 13th and Dillon is 15th. Chastain is 18th and Kurt is 20th.

You’re rewarded for good performances. McDowell is a good example, has one win but also a 3rd, 6th, 7th and 8th. They’re regularly a Top 20 car in the field

 

[RayinTX]

Why? Do better on track

So you think its appropriate to award 50% of the field in F1 points but only 25-28% of Cup cars...yeah that makes total sense...maybe you need to do better on your point system.

 

[gnomesayin]

I like the aspect of the F1 system in which scoring points is an actual accomplishment. Obviously it is is designed for a 20-ish car field. A similar points scale for a 36-40 car field would likely award points through 20th. I wouldn't mind that.

 

[Mispeedway15]

So you think its appropriate to award 50% of the field in F1 points but only 25-28% of Cup cars...yeah that makes total sense...maybe you need to do better on your point system.

Two things. First of all as I said before, we only really at the moment reward people for wins and stage wins. All other points are pretty much stats at this point, win one and you're into the playoffs. If Quinn Houff wins one guess what, he's better off then Denny Hamlin is.

Also it's not my system, it's the FIA's that is used for F1. I'm simply applying it to see what things would look like. Giving it a glance, it's a very accurate view of the season to this point.

 

[Charlie Spencer]

How about if NASCAR used the NASCAR pre-2004 points system?

 

[sdj]

How the final race is ran with 4 cars eligible and say one of the cars has 10 wins, 20 top 5's and 10 top 10's, most wins and consistent all year and has a bad Goodyear tire at the final and ends up 4th in points is

. JMHO

 

[RayinTX]

Two things. First of all as I said before, we only really at the moment reward people for wins and stage wins. All other points are pretty much stats at this point, win one and you're into the playoffs. If Quinn Houff wins one guess what, he's better off then Denny Hamlin is.

Also it's not my system, it's the FIA's that is used for F1. I'm simply applying it to see what things would look like. Giving it a glance, it's a very accurate view of the season to this point.

Houff would not be in because he's not in the top 30. Keep trying, you will get something right.

 

[Jorge De Guzman]

How about if NASCAR used the NASCAR pre-2004 points system?

Winner. Winner.

 

[aunty dive]

They plan to use the F1 points system at Rockingham and North Wilkesboro.

Also Riverside.

 

[Charlie Spencer]

They plan to use the F1 points system at Rockingham and North Wilkesboro.

Also Riverside.

Texas World is double points.

 

[Mispeedway15]

Houff would not be in because he's not in the top 30. Keep trying, you will get something right.

Again it’s just an example sir. Hard to refute the points leaders using that though. Go get a drink

 

[FLRacingFan]

I’m all for going away from a flat points scale to something more progressive, but agreed that it would need to be expanded to accommodate the much larger fields here. No FIA world championship using that system is going to regularly have 40 cars competing.

 

[Mispeedway15]

I’m all for going away from a flat points scale to something more progressive, but agreed that it would need to be expanded to accommodate the much larger fields here. No FIA world championship using that system is going to regularly have 40 cars competing.

Just double them for podium. 50-36-30-26-22-20-18-16-14-12 for 1 thru 10. 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 for 11 thru 20

 

[RacerrecaR]

There are flaws in every racing points system. Why can't they just determine championship order by average finish throughout the season? Lowest score wins

 

[bigspud]

kiss
most wins is champion,
all the rest are losers.

 

[RayinTX]

Just double them for podium. 50-36-30-26-22-20-18-16-14-12 for 1 thru 10. 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 for 11 thru 20

Hey you got something right...just 13 hours after I said it...but the podium is only the top 3

 

[Team Penske]

Figured with all the debate that goes around the playoff system I'd tabulate how many points guys would have if we used the F1 points system that only awards points to the Top 10. In case anyone was wondering, F1 goes 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1. Through the Coca Cola 600 it goes...

Place	Driver	Points
1	Larson	151
2	Hamlin	134
3	Elliott	121
4	Truex	118
5	Logano	111
6	Byron	107
7	Harvick	88
8	Ky. Busch	87
9	Bowman	82
10	Keselowski	80
11	McDowell	58
12	Bell	51
13	Reddick	48
14	Blaney	46
15	Dillon	37
16	DiBenedetto	24
17	Stenhouse	18
18	Chastain	18
19	Newman	17
20	Ku. Busch	16
21	Allmendinger	16
22	Buescher	16
23	Suarez	14
24	Preece	10
25	Almirola	8
26	Grala	8
27	Briscoe	8
28	McMurray	4
29	E. Jones	3
30	Lajoie	2
31	Custer	2

Either system Suarez is still beating Almirola.

 

[Mispeedway15]

Through Sonoma...

Place	Driver	Points
1	Larson	176
2	Elliott	139
3	Hamlin	138
4	Truex	133
5	Logano	111
6	Byron	107
7	Ky. Busch	97
8	Harvick	88
9	Bowman	84
10	Keselowski	80
11	McDowell	58
12	Bell	51
13	Reddick	48
14	Blaney	47
15	Dillon	37
16	DiBenedetto	24
17	Chastain	24
18	Ku. Busch	24
19	Stenhouse	18
20	Newman	17
21	Allmendinger	16
22	Buescher	16
23	Suarez	14
24	Preece	10
25	Almirola	8
26	Grala	8
27	Briscoe	8
28	McMurray	4
29	E. Jones	3
30	Lajoie	2
31	Custer	2

 

[aunty dive]

This subject is another dead horse.

Beating it in 2 threads won't change that.

Doubling down.

 

[Mispeedway15]

Doubling down.

Will continue to post it weekly. Think it’s cool to see how another system would work

 

[The Envelope]

There are flaws in every racing points system. Why can't they just determine championship order by average finish throughout the season? Lowest score wins

While average finishes should matter, they don't tell the full story.

If a driver misses at least one race, that average finish won't be reflective of how well they performed all season.
Two drivers might have the same average finish but differing levels of consistency (i.e standard deviation). Are you going to crown the driver that had more wins but also had more last place finishes?

 

[The Envelope]

I think this could be the compromise that Nascar and fans have been looking for. A format that puts an emphasis on both winning and getting high average finishes. However, obviously, I wouldn't just copy f1 system 1 to 1. I would expand the point scale to cover the top 20 since Nascar has twice the field size as f1.
So something like this just as an example:

Place	Points
1	35
2	28
3	25
4	22
5	20
6	18
7	16
8	14
9	12
10	11
11	10
12	9
13	8
14	7
15	6
16	5
17	4
18	3
19	2
20	1

As for bonus points. I'll leave that one up to you guys.

 

[Charlie Spencer]

While average finishes should matter, they don't tell the full story.

If a driver misses at least one race, that average finish won't be reflective of how well they performed all season.
Two drivers might have the same average finish but differing levels of consistency (i.e standard deviation). Are you going to crown the driver that had more wins but also had more last place finishes?

Hi, new guy!

 

[acmerocket]

I think this could be the compromise that Nascar and fans have been looking for. A format that puts an emphasis on both winning and getting high average finishes. However, obviously, I wouldn't just copy f1 system 1 to 1. I would expand the point scale to cover the top 20 since Nascar has twice the field size as f1.
So something like this just as an example:

Place	Points
1	35
2	28
3	25
4	22
5	20
6	18
7	16
8	14
9	12
10	11
11	10
12	9
13	8
14	7
15	6
16	5
17	4
18	3
19	2
20	1

As for bonus points. I'll leave that one up to you guys.

i would still give the bonus points, but not stop the dam race to do it.they used to give money to the leader at half way,but didnt stop the dam race.