Cup RACE thread --- Chicago Street

Chase Fan 79 said:
Question about the race...Is there a reason they did not move the start time up? Why are they running this race so late when they need to get it in by a certain time? With weather in the area you'd think they could have started it 1 local time and they would have gotten it in.
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Chase Fan 79 said:
Question about the race...Is there a reason they did not move the start time up? Why are they running this race so late when they need to get it in by a certain time? With weather in the area you'd think they could have started it 1 local time and they would have gotten it in.
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The networks write the big checks, so they get to call the shots. For every question about start times and scheduling, the answer is 'TV'.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Before you bump and run, first be sure you CAN run. If you can't, expect the bumpee to take it up a notch or two.
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I guess there is some validity to that but does no blame go to Suarez for blocking there? I mean Chase was clearly faster it was the last lap. I am not saying anyone should just move but if you're gonna block then this is what can happen. Seems to me that all Chase could have done to make Suarez and all the critics happy was just finish behind him....But then the problem would be that he's not aggressive enough. LOL
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Works for me, but don't be surprised when it's returned.
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I agree except for dumping him. If Suarez shoved him back out of the way on a crossover like Chase did to him I call that awesome racing - Purposely dumping him though? No - never agree. If the situation was 100% reversed I'd still say the same. Oh well. time to move on from it either way.
 
aunty dive said:
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Chase Fan 79 said:
I agree except for dumping him. If Suarez shoved him back out of the way on a crossover like Chase did to him I call that awesome racing - Purposely dumping him though? No - never agree. If the situation was 100% reversed I'd still say the same. Oh well. time to move on from it either way.
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Maybe some should tattoo the last sentence on their foreheads. Save the rest of us splaining to brick walls for years and years.

 
Chase Fan 79 said:
Question about the race...Is there a reason they did not move the start time up? Why are they running this race so late when they need to get it in by a certain time? With weather in the area you'd think they could have started it 1 local time and they would have gotten it in.
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There was a Indy car race on NBC prior to NASCAR...
 
Chase Fan 79 said:
I agree except for dumping him. If Suarez shoved him back out of the way on a crossover like Chase did to him I call that awesome racing - Purposely dumping him though? No - never agree. If the situation was 100% reversed I'd still say the same. Oh well. time to move on from it either way.
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Elliott/Suarez is a self policing thing and isn't egregious enough for Nascar to get involved.

Elliott assumes responsibility for finding out if a driver will push you back harder for something like that. It was the final corner and he had a top 10 on the line. Elliott had never run in with Suarez before so he can't anticipate how Daniel will react. Some drivers will dump you for that (Logano, Suarez, Harvick, Edwards) and some drivers won't. Drivers have their own boundaries on how they get raced. Some drivers have more leeway for others.

The only question here is, for Elliott, was it worth the gamble? Risk vs reward. A top 10 finish gives you the points lead. I think it was worth it. He just found out Daniel was going to push back harder.

The points lead is now 11, when it was 20. Still a good points day, and they talked about it, and moved on.

It's still a great talking point though.
 
StandOnIt said:
Maybe some should tattoo the last sentence on their foreheads. Save the rest of us splaining to brick walls for years and years.

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=IF= the concert and race were flipped, I suspect the concert operations would hinder or delay track teardown. Safety and all that, don't you know? Easier to herd everyone away when there's nothing left to see.
 
The actual layout of the street course is really good, I’ve had fun watching the last two years. Honestly I prefer this race over the Roval and Sonoma. Watkins Glen is untouchable and if I’m feeling freaky enough, I might like it better than COTA
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
The actual layout of the street course is really good, I’ve had fun watching the last two years. Honestly I prefer this race over the Roval and Sonoma. Watkins Glen is untouchable and if I’m feeling freaky enough, I might like it better than COTA
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It races much better than I expected. I'll give it credit for not having an unnavigable first turn like Portland or Indy. I wish some of the straights were wider and there were some run-off areas to reduce the cautions. Yeah, I know, it's a street course and they have to work with the existing roads. But would anyone construct this layout (or any other street circuit) if they were starting from scratch with plenty of room to work?

I like it better than most of the other North American street courses recently in use across multiple series. Much better than Detroit, Long Beach, or the abomination that was Nashville. But compared to a dedicated road course? I'm not fond of COTA but I won't go as far as to say I prefer Chicago over it. I definitely still prefer Road America (even without local yellows). I'd be delighted if this slot was moved to Canadian Tire, and ecstatic for Laguna Seca as the CA track. At least those courses are designed to drain, and offer the possibility of delaying to Monday or rescheduling later if a make-up is needed.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
It races much better than I expected. I'll give it credit for not having an unnavigable first turn like Portland or Indy. I wish some of the straights were wider and there were some run-off areas to reduce the cautions. Yeah, I know, it's a street course and they have to work with the existing roads. But would anyone construct this layout (or any other street circuit) if they were starting from scratch with plenty of room to work?

I like it better than most of the other North American street courses recently in use across multiple series. Much better than Detroit, Long Beach, or the abomination that was Nashville. But compared to a dedicated road course? I'm not fond of COTA but I won't go as far as to say I prefer Chicago over it. I definitely still prefer Road America (even without local yellows). I'd be delighted if this slot was moved to Canadian Tire, and ecstatic for Laguna Seca as the CA track. At least those courses are designed to drain, and offer the possibility of delaying to Monday or rescheduling later if a make-up is needed.
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A Laguna Seca cup race is something I’ve wanted since I first went through the Corkscrew on Gran Turismo when I was 7 years old. That would be amazing.
 
The only improvement I can see is removing the grass median at the end of the backstretch where it necks from 3 lanes wide to hardly a lane wide. Take that grass median away and widen the corner on the inside edge.
The right turn from Lake Shore to Roosevelt.
 
jaqua19 said:
Elliott/Suarez is a self policing thing and isn't egregious enough for Nascar to get involved.

Elliott assumes responsibility for finding out if a driver will push you back harder for something like that. It was the final corner and he had a top 10 on the line. Elliott had never run in with Suarez before so he can't anticipate how Daniel will react. Some drivers will dump you for that (Logano, Suarez, Harvick, Edwards) and some drivers won't. Drivers have their own boundaries on how they get raced. Some drivers have more leeway for others.

The only question here is, for Elliott, was it worth the gamble? Risk vs reward. A top 10 finish gives you the points lead. I think it was worth it. He just found out Daniel was going to push back harder.

The points lead is now 11, when it was 20. Still a good points day, and they talked about it, and moved on.

It's still a great talking point though.
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I don't know. I think you should only have to worry about that if you do something dirty and what Chase did there was pretty tame compared to other stuff I have seen. Plus you could call it payback for Indy. Suarez struggled to do the bump and run there without dumping him and it was a great save on Chase's part to keep going. Passing is hard in this sport and sometimes moves like that are needed when you have a guy in front of you blocking who is much slower at a narrow track with few passing opportunities limited. To me if you were going to pull a bmp and run this was almost the perfect time to do it because of all that and because of the history. there. The only that would have made it more ideal is if it were racing for the win. I'd be interested to see how NASCAR would have viewed it in that case. LOL. It is a good talking point but one that will never be something people can agree on.
 
Chase Fan 79 said:
I don't know. I think you should only have to worry about that if you do something dirty and what Chase did there was pretty tame compared to other stuff I have seen. Plus you could call it payback for Indy. Suarez struggled to do the bump and run there without dumping him and it was a great save on Chase's part to keep going. Passing is hard in this sport and sometimes moves like that are needed when you have a guy in front of you blocking who is much slower at a narrow track with few passing opportunities limited. To me if you were going to pull a bmp and run this was almost the perfect time to do it because of all that and because of the history. there. The only that would have made it more ideal is if it were racing for the win. I'd be interested to see how NASCAR would have viewed it in that case. LOL. It is a good talking point but one that will never be something people can agree on.
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I don't think Chase did anything dirty. But as long as the racing and payback is within the rules, it's always self policing. If you get moved out of the way in nearly the final corner for a top 10 spot, I think it's a bit ridiculous to say that retaliation for that isn't expected. Elliott didn't do anything wrong, and Suarez didn't do anything wrong either. Dumping him seemed a bit excessive, but really, it's just racing.

It doesn't have to be dirty to invite retaliation, imo. I think it's great for the sport.

And I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I think Elliott having little run ins is great for the sport. We don't always need a 'good ol'" boy.

I much prefer the tempermental frat bro Elliott to the "oh shucks, I gotta be better" Elliott.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
The actual layout of the street course is really good, I’ve had fun watching the last two years. Honestly I prefer this race over the Roval and Sonoma. Watkins Glen is untouchable and if I’m feeling freaky enough, I might like it better than COTA
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I think its the best road course event on the schedule
 
Bubba has a history of making high consequence, rash decisions, usually over stuff where he's been raced mildly aggressive. NASCAR doesn't like that. Bubba doesn't seem to get the message like Chase did after hooking Hamlin.

Also Bubba and Bowman have a bit of a history. If they were running up front they might look the other way, too. NASCAR doesn't need these guys knocking each other out for 12th place each week.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
this is a stupid tweet and thought. How can you go back and suspend someone for something that happened almost 5 years ago. I mean seriously.
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Agreed. NASCAR and their officiating is fluid, things change. For example the **** Carl pulled on Brad at Atlanta and in the Nationwide series at Gateway would never fly today. Carl was parked at Atlanta, that was all. Not even DQ'd or last place finish.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
Bubba has a history of making high consequence, rash decisions, usually over stuff where he's been raced mildly aggressive. NASCAR doesn't like that. Bubba doesn't seem to get the message like Chase did after hooking Hamlin.

Also Bubba and Bowman have a bit of a history. If they were running up front they might look the other way, too. NASCAR doesn't need these guys knocking each other out for 12th place each week.
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Speaking of high consequence rash decisions, every eye in the house was watching the 48 rolling down the boulevard basking in the win. The gerbils were singing, and all was well and then here comes Bubba blunderbussing the 48 into the wall on national TV. It was a bad look. Most of the viewers didn't know the reason for it.
Pretty sure there will never be an agreement with everybody on the right punishment. Some will think no punishment, for others it couldn't ever be harsh enough.
Bubba screwed up Nascar's parade and it cost him 50 thou.
 
jaqua19 said:
I don't think Chase did anything dirty. But as long as the racing and payback is within the rules, it's always self policing. If you get moved out of the way in nearly the final corner for a top 10 spot, I think it's a bit ridiculous to say that retaliation for that isn't expected. Elliott didn't do anything wrong, and Suarez didn't do anything wrong either. Dumping him seemed a bit excessive, but really, it's just racing.

It doesn't have to be dirty to invite retaliation, imo. I think it's great for the sport.

And I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I think Elliott having little run ins is great for the sport. We don't always need a 'good ol'" boy.

I much prefer the tempermental frat bro Elliott to the "oh shucks, I gotta be better" Elliott.
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I remember Chase moving Chastain in the last corner at Sonoma in very similar fashion to how he did Suarez. Suarez could've been paying him back for both all at once I suppose lol.
 
If retaliation is ever necessary, exact it during the event when it counts for something.

After the fact, people are going different speeds, dropping nets, loosening belts, getting their breath, etc., etc. Focus is lost … replaced by a higher risk of injury when some clown is acting out.

Maybe Bubba should concentrate on getting a win to make the playoffs, justifying the tremendous amount of time, effort and money his owners, his team and his corporate sponsors expend on his behalf every week.

Angry young men are generally ineffective in any serious endeavour.
 
Chase and Suarez was a lot less impact and more importantly it was off camera. The only reason we saw it at all was because of the in-car blurry film that the media cued up to get everybody talking about Nascar. :idunno: Nobody could miss Wallace lol.
 
"Boys, have at it" is dead, and good riddance. It should have never been raised into the lightning and brought to life; once so, it should have been left strapped to the table and locked in Grandfather's laboratory.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
That it's dead, that it's a good thing, or both?
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I don't think it's dead and I do think it has a place in the sport but some things just need to be out of bounds to point of penalty. Those include intentionally wrecking someone - especially hooking on the straight like Chase did to Denny at the 600 and Bubba did to Larson at Vegas. That crosses a safety line for sure. Also - nothing with cars AFTER the race like what Bubba did to Bowman. Another safety issue. What NASCAR needs is more of the good old "rubbin' is racin'." Like I said before...I see no issue with what Chase did to Suarez (and not just because I am a fan) because it was good hard racing and Suarez's day was not ruined. I have NO PROBLEM with Suarez hitting him back and them rubbing some more and in fact I would have stood up and applauded that. This mentality though that "you bumped me so now I am ending your day" just needs to go. They have these tough cars that can take a lick - use them. I know it's controversial and many don't agree but I still LOVE what Chase did to Harvik at Bristol a few years ago. Chase felt like Harvik ruined his day and took a win away from him so he took a win away from Harvick and gave it to Larson BUT he did not go back out there and intentionally wreck him and easily could have, Eye for an eye.
 
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