FINALLY !!!!!! NASCAR Officially Recognizes Bobby Allisons win at Bowman Gray

Spotter22 said:
moving him into sole possession of 4th on the All Time win list over Darrell Waltrip with 85 wins. Congrats Bobby!
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What drove them to change their minds in 2024, did they just learn something new they didn't already know?
 
Spotter22 said:
1990 has a winner
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It's about time, it was strange how Tiny Lund's two victories in those Cup/Grand America Series combination races were counted towards his career total but not Bobby's win at Bowman-Gray(which was also the last points-paying cup race at Bowman-Gray). Good for doing this while Bobby is still with us.
 
The Nature Boy said:
Congratulations to Bobby Allison for his win, which entitles him to a spot in the Championship Four at Phoenix.
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Drawing inspiration from a certain young man only a third of his age, BOBBY ALLISON is going to WIN the 2024 NASCAR Cup Series title from his RECLINER in ALABAMA!
 
To all the people who have so much faith in NASCAR, how come it took 53 years for them to figure out that SOMEBODY won that race? In light of current events, I think it's appropriate to point out that NOBODY consistently poked the bear that is NASCAR more than one Robert Arthur Allison. Bobby is a hero, the current pokers are looked at as villains.
 
Formerjackman said:
To all the people who have so much faith in NASCAR, how come it took 53 years for them to figure out that SOMEBODY won that race? In light of current events, I think it's appropriate to point out that NOBODY consistently poked the bear that is NASCAR more than one Robert Arthur Allison. Bobby is a hero, the current pokers are looked at as villains.
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Nobody, no doubt
 
The timing of this whole thing seems very strange to me.

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RFK-PensekeFan said:
It's about time, it was strange how Tiny Lund's two victories in those Cup/Grand America Series combination races were counted towards his career total but not Bobby's win at Bowman-Gray(which was also the last points-paying cup race at Bowman-Gray). Good for doing this while Bobby is still with us.
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From the article @Spotter22 linked above,
That race at Bowman Gray, from that day until Wednesday, October 23, 2024, never had an official listed race winner. It was the first of six combination events run with NASCAR Cup Series and NASCAR Grand American Series cars in 1971. The other five races were always a part of the race winner's career NASCAR Cup Series stats.
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Can anyone tell me why this race was treated differently from the other five, why no official winner was listed?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
From the article @Spotter22 linked above,

Can anyone tell me why this race was treated differently from the other five, why no official winner was listed
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Can't prove it, but the popular theory is that NASCAR was particularly PO'd at Bobby at that time, so they took the fact that he won the race driving a Grand American car as an opportunity to punish him in a not so overt way.
 
Blaze said:
It’s probably because of the Clash being at Bowman-Gray tbh.
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I also don't think it is any secret that Bobby is not in the best of health, and Jim France may well of figured if they didn't act soon, they might never get the chance to properly acknowledge the win with a living winner. I feel this way about the Hall of Fame. There are some people that WILL probably be elected some day, and due to advancing age, I feel that every consideration should be made to get these people in the Hall while they are still living and hopefully of sound mind. Harry Gant for one comes to mind.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Now do 1990
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The problem there is as much as it was a bullsh*t rule, the car did not confirm to the rule as written. If Steve Hmeil and Robin Pemberton are to believed, Jack Roush set the whole mess in motion by pissing off NASCAR and many of the other competitors the week before at Daytona during pre-race inspections. Not that that justifies any retribution that may have followed, but as so often happens in racing as well as life, you make yourself a target, then you give your "enemy" the ammunition to make a case and punish you. My off hand guess is that if Jack hadn't pissed off NASCAR, they probably would have gotten off with a only a monetary fine. Jack was never very good at playing the game, and he was far worse at it in his early years as a Cup team owner.
 
85 wins is insanity. That is only 20 less wins than David Pearson. He must've been a dominant force and was pretty competitive at an advanced age as well.

Congrats to him on getting acknowledged, it's cool that it happened while he is still alive.
 
JJ_14 said:
85 wins is insanity. That is only 20 less wins than David Pearson. He must've been a dominant force and was pretty competitive at an advanced age as well.

Congrats to him on getting acknowledged, it's cool that it happened while he is still alive.
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He was very good over a two decade + span, and if he had stayed with Junior Johnson long term I think he would have easily surpassed Pearson, if for no other reason than he was running twice as many races. I haven't had anyone else fact check it, but it is my contention that BA won races with more different car owners ( including himself) than any driver in NASCAR history.
 
Funny they did a complete 180 now that they're in the Court of Public Opinion with the lawsuit against them. :rolleyes:
 
rd45usa said:
Funny they did a complete 180 now that they're in the Court of Public Opinion with the lawsuit against them. :rolleyes:
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If one is trying to second guess why Allison is credited a win in this day and time, Nascar is coming to Bowman Grey in the spring. It's pretty naive to think nobody would bring up Allison's non win at Bowman Grey. Now it will be a feel good story.
 
Formerjackman said:
He was very good over a two decade + span, and if he had stayed with Junior Johnson long term I think he would have easily surpassed Pearson, if for no other reason than he was running twice as many races. to I haven't had anyone else fact check it, but it is my contention that BA won races with more different car owners ( including himself) than any driver in NASCAR hisry.
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He did and in more different car makes.
 
JJ_14 said:
85 wins is insanity. That is only 20 less wins than David Pearson. He must've been a dominant force and was pretty competitive at an advanced age as well.

Congrats to him on getting acknowledged, it's cool that it happened while he is still alive.
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He was Masterclass
 
Formerjackman said:
He was very good over a two decade + span, and if he had stayed with Junior Johnson long term I think he would have easily surpassed Pearson, if for no other reason than he was running twice as many races. I haven't had anyone else fact check it, but it is my contention that BA won races with more different car owners ( including himself) than any driver in NASCAR history.
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Spotter22 said:
He did and in more different car makes.
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The following comments is not really a scientific analysis or method, more like a sampling to note the different cars he drove in 1971 and 1972.

He started the season running a Dodge for all the races, and then started driving Ford/Mercury for Holman Moody sometime in the spring of that year.

He won the following five races in row.

- May 30th Charlotte (the World 600),1971 Mercury.
June 6 Dover. 1971 Ford.
June 13 Michigan, 1971 Mercury
June 20 Riverside California.1971 Dodge
June 23 Myer Speedway Houston Texas, 1971 Dodge

The steak ended on June 26th at Greenville Pickens ( I attend that race). Bobby Led 106 laps of the 200 before blowing the engine in a 1971 Ford.

Note: He won the Southern 500 later that year in a 1969 Mecury.

In 1972 He was racing a Chevrolet. Racing reference listed the owner as a Richard Howard, but I think it was a Junior Johnson car
 
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