23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

StandOnIt said:
Nonsense. The car was built to specs. That if you remember was done while they were under the last charter agreement and guess who went along with it. Now all of a sudden it isn't competitive in the series? These clowns want to go back to the old way that was running teams out of business financially because only the big money teams were left? I don't think some of ya have been paying attention,
Click to expand...

You made a false equivalence to F1 and I refuted it. Note who engaged in insults. There are others who "pay attention" to aspects you are not aware of.

On a lighter note, in an alternate universe where the World of Outlaws were as successful as NASCAR, their exclusivity requirements with teams would likely be challenged on antitrust grounds. WoO would claim the contracts are entirely voluntary, but antitrust law is much more complicated than that.
 
gnomesayin said:
You made a false equivalence to F1 and I refuted it. Note who engaged in insults. There are others who "pay attention" to aspects you are not aware of.

On a lighter note, in an alternate universe where the World of Outlaws were as successful as NASCAR, their exclusivity requirements with teams would likely be challenged on antitrust grounds. WoO would claim the contracts are entirely voluntary, but antitrust law is much more complicated than that.
Click to expand...
False equivalence? Nope you misunderstood. I'll make is simpler. An F-1 car is built to race in F-1. A next Gen car is made to race in Nascar.
 
So is tomorrow an actual deadline for this ruling or was it just a projected day?

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Going into Martinsville, I thought Bell had enough of a lead to be a shoo-in. I suspect I wasn't the only one.
Click to expand...
He was a shoo-in, and simply did not execute. Period. Wasn't the system. Wasn't TRD. Bell is not in the Championship 4 for the very reason that most want a driver in....execution, and racing for it....as opposed to a specific OEM having an advantage. He. Got. Beat.
 
AlTerego said:
There are all sorts of NASCAR fans and there is room under the tent for us all. The type of fan you are is a personal choice. I’ll admit I don’t understand your fandom but it doesn’t make your choice any less valid than anyone else’s.
Click to expand...
You know, it's interesting.....I never even think nor am I fascinated by what draws people to this sport. I will never understand why anyone would even think about why I am drawn to this sport the way I am....even though I have tried to explain it. I like cars. I like Toyotas. I root for Toyotas. TRD is the racing arm for Toyota. I like TRD. I root for drivers who drive MY Toyotas.
 
Yeah, it was the system's fault that Bell spun. The system caused the 20 to **** the bed on the pit stop. All he needed to do to be part of the conversation this weekend was to have a finish like the other eight races. Didn't get it done. Sports.
 
Revman said:
Yeah, it was the system's fault that Bell spun. The system caused the 20 to **** the bed on the pit stop. All he needed to do to be part of the conversation this weekend was to have a finish like the other eight races. Didn't get it done. Sports.
Click to expand...
A whole season thrown away because of one race. Glad you like the system.
 
StandOnIt said:
A whole season thrown away because of one race. Glad you like the system.
Click to expand...
So, if you don't win the damn thing, then your season is lost. One driver wins it. The rest are losers. Driver specific fans are screwed....OEM specific fans are marginally in better shape. Who the hell would follow a sport when you have a one in thirty-something chance for fulfillment? Got it. Let's give 'em all trophies.
 
Revman said:
So, if you don't win the damn thing, then your season is lost. One driver wins it. The rest are losers. Driver specific fans are screwed....OEM specific fans are marginally in better shape. Who the hell would follow a sport when you have a one in thirty-something chance for fulfillment? Got it. Let's give 'em all trophies.
Click to expand...
I understand. You like drivers in the final 4 who aren't the best. It the love of the system right?
 
Revman said:
You know, it's interesting.....I never even think nor am I fascinated by what draws people to this sport. I will never understand why anyone would even think about why I am drawn to this sport the way I am....even though I have tried to explain it. I like cars. I like Toyotas. I root for Toyotas. TRD is the racing arm for Toyota. I like TRD. I root for drivers who drive
Click to expand...

Why someone is a fan of any sport is inconsequential to me too. At first I thought yours was parody account like the apologist guy. However I came to understand that your love of Toyota knows no bounds. That is just fine as I have the same kind of fandom for something most people don’t even think of. We all have our reasons.
 
StandOnIt said:
I understand. You like drivers in the final 4 who aren't the best. It the love of the system right?
Click to expand...
So, if the Chiefs get beat in the first round of the playoffs, it's the sytem's fault. I mean, they could be the best, so if they don't make it.....the system, right? The position here really is about whether or not a driver or a team can be measured in a single weekend when you get to the four....I suppose with a mechanical, it might be unfair, otherwise, I think the system is unique and just. Did you hear me whining about Bell's brakes last year? Teams have control over much of what they are doing except for when balls of rubber get stuck in throttle bodies....which you didn't hear me whine about either because the 11 should have never been in that position.
 
AlTerego said:
Why someone is a fan of any sport is inconsequential to me too. At first I thought yours was parody account like the apologist guy. However I came to understand that your love of Toyota knows no bounds. That is just fine as I have the same kind of fandom for something most people don’t even think of. We all have our reasons.
Click to expand...
It's just so interesting....I mean, think of it....in a couple of hours, a guy (me) is going to be in the happiest place he could be....and it is all because of this sport. Can't be a bad thing.....
 
StandOnIt said:
I understand. You like drivers in the final 4 who aren't the best. It the love of the system right?
Click to expand...

I’m with you as I would prefer a point system like a modified Latford scale or something that rewarded the drivers that performed best over the season. I can hold my nose and overlook a lot of the gimmicks but this lottery championship is for the birds in my opinion.
 
AlTerego said:
I’m with you as I would prefer a point system like a modified Latford scale or something that rewarded the drivers that performed best over the season. I can hold my nose and overlook a lot of the gimmicks but this lottery championship is for the birds in my opinion.
Click to expand...
I'm done overlooking, this is ridiculous. I turn the sound off the TV and enjoy the racing lol. It works for me anyway. The radio isn't in sinc but at least they don't think they are driving the car or second guessing the drivers while they are sitting in a chair. There is a growing number of us it seems.
 
Revman said:
So, if the Chiefs get beat in the first round of the playoffs, it's the sytem's fault. I mean, they could be the best, so if they don't make it.....the system, right? The position here really is about whether or not a driver or a team can be measured in a single weekend when you get to the four....I suppose with a mechanical, it might be unfair, otherwise, I think the system is unique and just. Did you hear me whining about Bell's brakes last year? Teams have control over much of what they are doing except for when balls of rubber get stuck in throttle bodies....which you didn't hear me whine about either because the 11 should have never been in that position.
Click to expand...
Hey Rev, I FULLY get where you’re coming from, and agree. I have advocated for a major emphasis being placed on the REGULAR SEASON CHAMPIONSHIP, and allowing the “playoffs” to have their champion. In my scenario, the regular season champ gets an automatic berth in the final championship race and a huge $ payout. Of course NASCAR will use the playoffs and point totals that complete the season per the playoff structure…will never get them out of that.

Your passion and devotion to Toyota are balanced with consistent demands for performance, with drivers and teams having to EARN wins and titles. I respect that! My favorite brand from back in the day crapped out long ago (Dodge).
 
Conover said:
Hey Rev, I FULLY get where you’re coming from, and agree. I have advocated for a major emphasis being placed on the REGULAR SEASON CHAMPIONSHIP, and allowing the “playoffs” to have their champion. In my scenario, the regular season champ gets an automatic berth in the final championship race and a huge $ payout. Of course NASCAR will use the playoffs and point totals that complete the season per the playoff structure…will never get them out of that.

Your passion and devotion to Toyota are balanced with consistent demands for performance, with drivers and teams having to EARN wins and titles. I respect that! My favorite brand from back in the day crapped out long ago (Dodge).
Click to expand...
Yeah lets slap another band aid on the pig.
 
It's certainly a loss for 23XI and FRM and leaves them standing on more uncertain ground. Though it is less than definitive, as the judge denied without prejudice and explicitly invited the teams to present a renewed motion closer to the start of the season.

I'm starting to suspect this will get settled around the deadest point of the off-season. I'm not sure either side will see it as in their interests to have this stretch into Daytona and a new season.
 
I knew they were screwed when their lawyer said this lol. Jordan says what?? lol.

23XI/FRM's Jeffrey Kessler on why the teams can't join another series: "You can't go tell a football player to be a baseball player, and you can't tell a stock car team to go be a Formula 1 team."
 
Do you recall Jordan's attempt at professional baseball? I think his performance there would actually bolster their argument, silly as making that the focus is.

Since this thread is going in all directions freely, I'll state that one conspiracy theory I believe is that that whole thing was a secret suspension for gambling.

Regardless, the judge "fast-tracking" and stating that the teams need to wait until the financial harm is imminent to justify an injunction leaves the timeline of how this will proceed in a very murky place.
 
gnomesayin said:
Do you recall Jordan's attempt at professional baseball? I think his performance there would actually bolster their argument, silly as making that the focus is.

Since this thread is going in all directions freely, I'll state that one conspiracy theory I believe is that that whole thing was a secret suspension for gambling.

Regardless, the judge "fast-tracking" and stating that the teams need to wait until the financial harm is imminent to justify an injunction leaves the timeline of how this will proceed in a very murky place.
Click to expand...
Sure..I guess.
 
gnomesayin said:
Do you recall Jordan's attempt at professional baseball? I think his performance there would actually bolster their argument, silly as making that the focus is.
Click to expand...

Well, considering they are saying Nascar is a monopoly and they can't race anywhere else and there are multiple race teams doing just that? Lol and Jordan did both in stick and ball. Going to be kinda hard to prove the monopoly argument.
 
I wonder if Nascar will slow walk their answer to 23XL's plead?

Defendants are DIRECTED to file an answer by the responsive pleading deadline of
December 2, 2024, even if it is accompanied by a motion to dismiss;
 
At this point you would think SHR needs to move on the charters. I can't see how anyone can afford to wait til December to put a team together now. The cars seem like the easy part to me, the hard part is people and sponsorship.
 
wi_racefan said:
At this point you would think SHR needs to move on the charters. I can't see how anyone can afford to wait til December to put a team together now. The cars seem like the easy part to me, the hard part is people and sponsorship.
Click to expand...
Nascar has said they are perfectly fine to race 36 without those charters. Remember, all sales must be approved by Nascar. Awkward, but it is what it is. They didn't start this.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom