Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

SlicedBread22 said:
Why is viewership up this year though? And was up last year from the year before?.. asking for a friend.
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Since you posted as an attachment, it’s harder to quote the post @SlicedBread22 but that’s the season as a whole, which yes is good. But you can’t overlook the final race was down over last year which was down from the previous year. Two years in a row now it’s dropped for the championship race.
 
Blaze said:
Since you posted as an attachment, it’s harder to quote the post @SlicedBread22 but that’s the season as a whole, which yes is good. But you can’t overlook the final race was down over last year which was down from the previous year. Two years in a row now it’s dropped for the championship race.
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Yeah idk why that sent as an attachment lol

The viewership could be a few things for that race. Could be people who dont like that format. Could be people who don't like Penske, or Phoenix. Or it could be that certain drivers didn't make the final 4. Either way I'm still happy that overall viewership is up. It seems nascar is thinking about making some changes to the format but I doubt they'll be huge changes. Hopefully if that's the issue it'll help. I know I be watching no matter what lol
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Yeah idk why that sent as an attachment lol

The viewership could be a few things for that race. Could be people who dont like that format. Could be people who don't like Penske, or Phoenix. Or it could be that certain drivers didn't make the final 4. Either way I'm still happy that overall viewership is up. It seems nascar is thinking about making some changes to the format but I doubt they'll be huge changes. Hopefully if that's the issue it'll help. I know I be watching no matter what lol
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I know I won’t ever get what I want again, at least not for a very long time, that being no Chase, No Playoffs. But if we gotta have some sort of BS, I’ll take the OG Chase back, which I even doubt we get it back. I just really don’t like the whole one race deal. Like I won’t take anything away from the champion, it’s whatever, it’s the rules. But just because something is the rules, doesn’t mean I have to like it, or think it’s the right way to do things, which is where I stand. I watch the races because I like the races, which is why I wouldn’t care if they crowned a champion with 2-3 races to go, because there’s still a race to be ran, and still a winner of that race to be had. So I’ll watch either way also. But I really hope for something that’s more than a one race championship race.
 
You would think a person with the best record of the season would be the champion. Glad to see Allen K got his when he did. Also Matt K.
 
Per Extreme-Bite-9123 on reddit
How many points every driver earned throughout the playoffs.

(P)=Playoff driver

1(P)William Byron: 387
2(P)Christopher bell: 380
3(P)Chase Elliot: 328
4(P)Kyle Larson:326
5(P)Ryan blaney: 324
6(P)Joey Logano: 314
7(P)Denny Hamlin: 313
8(P)Alex bowman: 313
9 Bubba Wallace: 259
10(P)Martin truex jr: 253
11(P)Tyler Reddick: 247
12 Chris buescher: 240
13(P)Austin cindric: 239
14 Ross chastian:239
15(P)Daniel Suarez: 220
16 Carson hocevar: 215
17(P)Brad Keselowksi: 200
18 Ryan preece: 191
19 Noah gragson: 181
20(P)Chase briscoe: 179
21 Kyle Busch: 179
22 Zane smith: 175
23 Ricky stenhouse jr: 171
24(P)Ty Gibbs: 165
25 Austin Dillon:161
26 Micheal McDowell: 156
27 Daniel hemric: 142
28Justin Haley: 137
29 Todd gilliland: 130
30 Corey LaJoie: 126
31 Erik jones: 122
32 Josh berry:121
33(P)Harrison Burton: 117
34 John Hunter Nemecheck: 92
 
Blaze said:
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I love it. Let's change it.

I've long advocated that a playoff format done right is the best system there is.

2004-2013 was the best championship format we have ever had imo, and if we can bring some version of that back.

This format is what allowed Larson to miss a race to do something else and it ultimately cost him a championship, despite being the best driver in points and stats all year. That, coupled with the media outcry from guys like Hamlin, Harvick, and the fans may have allowed this to happen.

The playoffs have lasted one season longer than the chase and it's a worse system. Time for a change
 
jaqua19 said:
This format is what allowed Larson to miss a race to do something else and it ultimately cost him a championship, despite being the best driver in points and stats all year.
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I have no issue with a driver having to decide between his day job and extracurriculars. I love the Indy/Charlotte double but Larson made a choice.

The same could happen in any format. In a full season format, he would have left a ton of points on the table. In a 2004-2013 scenario, he still loses out on the points for being 1st at the points reset.
 
I cannot wait to see what NASCAR has pulled out of their ass this time :XXROFL:

From the makers of the Caution Clock comes....
 
Naitch said:
I have no issue with a driver having to decide between his day job and extracurriculars. I love the Indy/Charlotte double but Larson made a choice.

The same could happen in any format. In a full season format, he would have left a ton of points on the table. In a 2004-2013 scenario, he still loses out on the points for being 1st at the points reset.
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In a full season format, I’m pretty sure he comes back to the 600 and skips the 500.
 
How did the points system prevent Kyle Larson from winning a title again? Even if he had made it to the final 4 by having started it (which there's no guarantee of that his participation in that race = making the final 4 to my knowledge) he'd have needed to win the Phoenix race, and that was contested up front by Logano and Blaney. Indy has very little bearing.
 
wi_racefan said:
I don't think Kyle really cares. Championships don't mean what they used to. Now you measure a driver by wins and possibly final 4 appearances, that's it
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Yeah I pretty much think Kyle is about getting in as many races as possible until he can't race anymore. He does his best, but if he doesn't win it isn't the end of the world, he will be racing somewhere else the next week. I think he is going to Australia pretty soon to race down there over the winter break.
 
wi_racefan said:
I don't think Kyle really cares. Championships don't mean what they used to. Now you measure a driver by wins and possibly final 4 appearances, that's it
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I think Final 4 appearances are pretty prestigious accomplishments in themselves, we'll see if thats the case if the format is changed once again.
 


Logano was the first driver who finished 15th or worse in the regular season to make the Championship 4 let alone win the title. His championship generated the discussion on whether the regular season should mean more.
Last year, his Penske teammate Ryan Blaney won once in the regular season but then twice in the playoffs.

"The message we're trying to send is make the regular season matter more," said team owner and driver Denny Hamlin. "Those 26 races — it's proving to not be that substantial to winning a championship, and that's not something you want.

"My message to NASCAR would be, ‘Make the regular season worth more.' ... Because right now, over the last three years, you would say that the champion didn't really have to do much in the regular season, and that's just probably not good."

"The points format should be reflected on wins, and the tiebreakers should be the final race, and that should be it," said 2012 Cup champion Brad Keselowski. "I have a hard time as a competitor and a fan of the sport, understanding how drivers with the most wins routinely don't win championships.

"I just don't think that feels right to me."

"We're not the NFL," Keselowski said. "We keep getting caught up in comparisons to other sports."

NASCAR playoff format debate: Should wins, regular season mean more? | FOX Sports

Should the regular season and wins carry more weight? Here's where some NASCAR drivers stand.
www.foxsports.com www.foxsports.com
 
StandOnIt said:


Logano was the first driver who finished 15th or worse in the regular season to make the Championship 4 let alone win the title. His championship generated the discussion on whether the regular season should mean more.
Last year, his Penske teammate Ryan Blaney won once in the regular season but then twice in the playoffs.

"The message we're trying to send is make the regular season matter more," said team owner and driver Denny Hamlin. "Those 26 races — it's proving to not be that substantial to winning a championship, and that's not something you want.

"My message to NASCAR would be, ‘Make the regular season worth more.' ... Because right now, over the last three years, you would say that the champion didn't really have to do much in the regular season, and that's just probably not good."

"The points format should be reflected on wins, and the tiebreakers should be the final race, and that should be it," said 2012 Cup champion Brad Keselowski. "I have a hard time as a competitor and a fan of the sport, understanding how drivers with the most wins routinely don't win championships.

"I just don't think that feels right to me."

"We're not the NFL," Keselowski said. "We keep getting caught up in comparisons to other sports."

NASCAR playoff format debate: Should wins, regular season mean more? | FOX Sports

Should the regular season and wins carry more weight? Here's where some NASCAR drivers stand.
www.foxsports.com www.foxsports.com
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Exactly, it's absurd that a team in 34th makes the playoffs and two teams in 11th and 12th get kicked out.
 
It’s a good thing Al Gore hadn’t invented the internet yet.

 
Dwayne said:
Exactly, it's absurd that a team in 34th makes the playoffs and two teams in 11th and 12th get kicked out.
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Who's to say that both of those teams could have caught fire in the playoffs, but were passed by a couple of win and you are in'ers.
 
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